Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
Author Message
mturn017 Offline
ODU Homer
*

Posts: 14,002
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1187
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location: Roanoke, VA
Post: #61
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-05-2022 12:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-05-2022 11:03 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  If you want to know why they chose the SBC, just look at a map. The furthest two schools from each other are West Virginia and Georgia Southern, and that's still a closer trip for WVU than 80% of the AAC.

Men's soccer is not a revenue sport. Teams are not going to trade a geographically compact conference for a marginal improvement (if that) in competitiveness.
Women's soccer is not a revenue sport. Kentucky and West Virginia travel all over to play in the SEC or Big 12.

If we were concerned about geography: Pitt, West Virginia, Marshall, Ohio, Cincinnati, Miami, Kentucky and Louisville would be in the Ohio Valley Conference for all sports.

I’ve heard a lot of poor arguments on this board but this one…..definitely up there.

If the SEC & B12 sponsored MSOC like they do WSOC then these schools would play there, they’d have to. But they don’t, so they don’t. SC and WVU could no doubt afford to send their soccer team all over the country but the coaches don’t want that for thier players and the AD would rather spend the money elsewhere. That doesn’t mean they’re going to join the Ohio Valley because competition matters. The SB was clearly the best choice, everyone can see it but you. Top to bottom it’s a better MSOC conference than the AAC, which has some very good teams but the make up of the new SB MSOC league is better and better geographically. It’s over, move on.


And did you really just compare UK MBB to UK MSOC?
05-05-2022 01:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jimrtex Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 758
Joined: Aug 2021
Reputation: 27
I Root For: Houston, Tulsa, Colorado
Location:
Post: #62
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-05-2022 01:04 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-05-2022 12:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-05-2022 11:03 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  If you want to know why they chose the SBC, just look at a map. The furthest two schools from each other are West Virginia and Georgia Southern, and that's still a closer trip for WVU than 80% of the AAC.

Men's soccer is not a revenue sport. Teams are not going to trade a geographically compact conference for a marginal improvement (if that) in competitiveness.
Women's soccer is not a revenue sport. Kentucky and West Virginia travel all over to play in the SEC or Big 12.

If we were concerned about geography: Pitt, West Virginia, Marshall, Ohio, Cincinnati, Miami, Kentucky and Louisville would be in the Ohio Valley Conference for all sports.

I’ve heard a lot of poor arguments on this board but this one…..definitely up there.

If the SEC & B12 sponsored MSOC like they do WSOC then these schools would play there, they’d have to. But they don’t, so they don’t. SC and WVU could no doubt afford to send their soccer team all over the country but the coaches don’t want that for thier players and the AD would rather spend the money elsewhere. That doesn’t mean they’re going to join the Ohio Valley because competition matters. The SB was clearly the best choice, everyone can see it but you. Top to bottom it’s a better MSOC conference than the AAC, which has some very good teams but the make up of the new SB MSOC league is better and better geographically. It’s over, move on.

And did you really just compare UK MBB to UK MSOC?

Which UK team reached the Sweet 16 where they lost a 2 vs. 3 regional seed match-up to the eventual national champion? There is really no comparison between the two.
That Ohio Valley Conference might have formed in the 1920s. You missed the point.

The AAC was not a choice at the time.

Charlotte is the most consistently ranked team out of CUSA/Sun Belt/AAC over the past decade. Would South Carolina prefer to play Charlotte or a one-hit wonder in Marshall?

Predictions for 2022: South Carolina will play the defending national champion a bus trip away. The 2021 Sun Belt champion will not defend their title.

Predictions for 2023: FIU will continue their affiliation with the AAC. UCF will affiliate with the AAC.
05-05-2022 02:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jcohen42 Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 428
Joined: Feb 2016
Reputation: 18
I Root For: Drexel
Location:
Post: #63
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-05-2022 12:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-05-2022 11:03 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  If you want to know why they chose the SBC, just look at a map. The furthest two schools from each other are West Virginia and Georgia Southern, and that's still a closer trip for WVU than 80% of the AAC.

Men's soccer is not a revenue sport. Teams are not going to trade a geographically compact conference for a marginal improvement (if that) in competitiveness.
Women's soccer is not a revenue sport. Kentucky and West Virginia travel all over to play in the SEC or Big 12.

If we were concerned about geography: Pitt, West Virginia, Marshall, Ohio, Cincinnati, Miami, Kentucky and Louisville would be in the Ohio Valley Conference for all sports.

I know you make a living on this board spewing complete nonsense, but this is pretty bad, even for you. The entire reason this discussion exists is because the SEC and Big 12 do not sponsor men's soccer. This decision only impacts men's soccer. All-sports decisions impact every sport, including revenue sports.

Come on, dude. Use critical thinking. It's not hard.

EDIT: And since we're so hung up on Charlotte, in an alternate universe where they did not have to be in the AAC for soccer due to conference affiliation, there is a 100% chance they would join the SBC. Take that one on for size.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2022 03:56 PM by jcohen42.)
05-05-2022 03:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Stugray2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,353
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 380
I Root For: tOSU SJSU Stan'
Location: South Bay Area CA
Post: #64
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
Your right I didn't read it. Wow C-USA not only shutting down soccer but also women's swimming and diving. I wonder where WKU will compete now?

So it's really only UCF that has to move somewhere in 2023. I imagine they'll go to the SBC to be with other P5 schools Kentucky, South Carolina and West Virginia.
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2022 05:18 PM by Stugray2.)
05-05-2022 03:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Nerdlinger Offline
Realignment Enthusiast
*

Posts: 4,228
Joined: May 2017
Reputation: 290
I Root For: Realignment!
Location: Murica
Post: #65
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-05-2022 03:58 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  So it's really only UCF that has to move somewhere in 2023. I imagine they'll go to the SBC to be with other P5 schools Kentucy and Vandy.

I agree that UCF will want the Sun Belt for men's soccer, although it's Kentucky, South Carolina, and West Virginia they'll be rubbing elbows with (not Vanderbilt). The AAC has no men's soccer programs from power conference schools.
05-05-2022 04:31 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GreenBison Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,832
Joined: Jun 2002
Reputation: 173
I Root For: The Herd!!!
Location: B'ville
Post: #66
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-04-2022 08:58 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 03:06 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 02:58 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-04-2022 12:54 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  Announced today... Charlotte, FAU, and UAB men's soccer are joining the AAC a year early, and FIU is joining as an affiliate. https://theamerican.org/news/2022/5/3/ge...iving.aspx
That would be an attractive conference for Kentucky and South Carolina (or any other SEC schools that they might encourage to play soccer).

UK, South Carolina and WVU are in the Sun Belt for Mens Soccer which is a better league in my opinion.
In the 2021 season: 5 of 6 AAC teams were in the Top 100 RPI ratings, including Tulsa 9.

In the 2021 season Sun Belt did not have a soccer competition. Appalachian State dropped their team and Howard moved all their affiliates to the NEC. Georgia State and Georgia Southern scrambled to play in the MAC.

In 2021 Kentucky and South Carolina played in CUSA, which was not too bad since it did have Marshall and FIU.

With football realignment. Sun Belt had enough teams, but CUSA did not particularly for the future.

It makes sense for Kentucky and South Carolina and West Virginia to grab on to the Sun Belt for 2022.

But now the AAC has announced that Charlotte, Florida Atlantic, and UAB are moving to the AAC for 2022, and they are bringing along FIU. 8 of the 10 are Top 100 schools. If we exclude Kentucky and West Virginia, then we have:

Tulsa 9 - Marshall 20
FIU 22 - Georgia State 32
Charlotte 47 - JMU 63
SMU 53 - CoCar 70
(UCF 58) - Georgia Southern 120
FAU 89 - ODU 151
USF 92
Memphis 93
UAB 117
Temple 157

Now that the AAC has its future configuration, UCF is likely to stick around for soccer. If they want to play West Virginia, they can schedule OOC.

When you are looking at this from the perspective of Kentucky and South Carolina you can't count them as being in the Sun Belt or AAC. The AAC has the stronger core.

And from the perspective of an AD at Kentucky, the AAC schools are clearly G5. The Sun Belt schools are FCS+.

If Kentucky or South Carolina were scheduling OOC football games, most of the AAC schools would want H-and-H. The Sun Belt would be looked at as buy games. Kentucky is not going to travel to Conway or Harrisonburg.

The one downside of the AAC is that it is a larger conference and the soccer season is limited. Soccer takes a lot of running, and cleats into an ankle or stepped on foot, or heads colliding take a toll. So while soccer can play say Friday and Tuesday - they prefer the midweek game to be an OOC in which they can start backup players for essentially exhibition matches, and keep the starters fresh.

The AAC at 10 is OK for 9 games in a single round-robin. At 12 they would have to go divisions and make sure Kentucky and South Carolina are in the same division.

Maybe:
Tulsa, SMU, UK, Memphis, UAB, USC
Temple, Charlotte, UCF, USF, FAU, FIU



Looks like UCF would rather ditch the AAC and play in the SBC.
05-11-2022 02:23 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Blue_Trombone Online
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,876
Joined: Nov 2011
Reputation: 265
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #67
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American
05-11-2022 05:59 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Stugray2 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,353
Joined: Jan 2017
Reputation: 380
I Root For: tOSU SJSU Stan'
Location: South Bay Area CA
Post: #68
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
So where will new C-USA member Liberty take soccer in 2023? Stay in the ASUN? Join the AAC (will they take them)?
05-11-2022 06:08 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ibby10 Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 148
Joined: Oct 2021
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Stony Brook
Location:
Post: #69
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
There was a proposal to move college soccer to two semester model. I hope it is done soon. I hate the cramped one semester schedule. Numerous injuries.
05-11-2022 07:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Nerdlinger Offline
Realignment Enthusiast
*

Posts: 4,228
Joined: May 2017
Reputation: 290
I Root For: Realignment!
Location: Murica
Post: #70
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-11-2022 05:59 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American

As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.
05-11-2022 07:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
mturn017 Offline
ODU Homer
*

Posts: 14,002
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1187
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location: Roanoke, VA
Post: #71
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-11-2022 07:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 05:59 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American

As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.

I think the SB is content with its membership at 10 and FIU should be pleased with the AAC, good conference with USF & FAU in it.

That leaves Liberty. My bet is the MAC.
05-11-2022 07:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jimrtex Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 758
Joined: Aug 2021
Reputation: 27
I Root For: Houston, Tulsa, Colorado
Location:
Post: #72
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-11-2022 07:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 05:59 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American

As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.

I think the SB is content with its membership at 10 and FIU should be pleased with the AAC, good conference with USF & FAU in it.

That leaves Liberty. My bet is the MAC.
Without UCF, but with FIU, the AAC would be at 9. Liberty would make 10. An even number makes it possible to have a conference game for every school every weekend.

There are 7-8 weekends available for conference play. The Big East had 11 teams playing a round-robin. With an odd number of teams you need 11 rounds of 5 games. The Big East played 7 weekend matches and 4 mid-week matches, including a stretch of 7 matches in 22 days (at least for most 4 schools, 7 would have had a bye).

You are more likely to play your starting 11 in a conference game, and so you have worn out players. If your midweek game is OOC, you can rest your starters or maybe limit their play.

In addition, because the Big East had 6 teams in the conference tournament they needed three games.

CUSA with 9 teams, played seven weekends with 4 games. The 8th game was played midweek scattered through the season. You can stretch those out some by playing Friday-Wednesday-Sunday.

So AAC at 9 (with FIU) can play a similar schedule. The midweek games could be Tulsa-SMU, Memphis-UAB, and FIU-FAU which at least reduces the travel hardship in addition to playing three games in 10 days.

If FIU played in the Sun Belt this would be 11 teams and they would end up with a schedule like the Big East or using divisions.

The ACC with 12 teams played in divisions.

So if the Sun Belt can get UCF they would be wise not to invite FIU or Liberty. If they could get some real Sun Belt schools, they might even want to push the SEC or B12 schools out.
05-11-2022 10:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Porcine Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 394
Joined: Oct 2021
Reputation: 38
I Root For: Arkansas, SBC
Location: Northern Arkansas
Post: #73
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-11-2022 10:22 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 05:59 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American

As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.

I think the SB is content with its membership at 10 and FIU should be pleased with the AAC, good conference with USF & FAU in it.

That leaves Liberty. My bet is the MAC.
Without UCF, but with FIU, the AAC would be at 9. Liberty would make 10. An even number makes it possible to have a conference game for every school every weekend.

There are 7-8 weekends available for conference play. The Big East had 11 teams playing a round-robin. With an odd number of teams you need 11 rounds of 5 games. The Big East played 7 weekend matches and 4 mid-week matches, including a stretch of 7 matches in 22 days (at least for most 4 schools, 7 would have had a bye).

You are more likely to play your starting 11 in a conference game, and so you have worn out players. If your midweek game is OOC, you can rest your starters or maybe limit their play.

In addition, because the Big East had 6 teams in the conference tournament they needed three games.

CUSA with 9 teams, played seven weekends with 4 games. The 8th game was played midweek scattered through the season. You can stretch those out some by playing Friday-Wednesday-Sunday.

So AAC at 9 (with FIU) can play a similar schedule. The midweek games could be Tulsa-SMU, Memphis-UAB, and FIU-FAU which at least reduces the travel hardship in addition to playing three games in 10 days.

If FIU played in the Sun Belt this would be 11 teams and they would end up with a schedule like the Big East or using divisions.

The ACC with 12 teams played in divisions.

So if the Sun Belt can get UCF they would be wise not to invite FIU or Liberty. If they could get some real Sun Belt schools, they might even want to push the SEC or B12 schools out.

I doubt they will push the P5s out. They have been a part of the plan for a while.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-933041.html
(10-23-2021 07:27 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Hearing that the Sunbelt will sponsor Soccer with the following teams making up the league:

1. Marshall #3
2. WVU #25
3. UK #4
4. South Carolina
5. ODU
6. Coastal Carolina
7. Georgia State
8. Georgia Southern
9. James Madison #23

That's a nice, tight geographical league and features four of those teams currently in the top 25. I'm not a soccer fan but I'm happy for the teams and the fans. Arguably the best soccer conference in America with those schools.
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2022 12:12 AM by Porcine.)
05-11-2022 11:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jimrtex Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 758
Joined: Aug 2021
Reputation: 27
I Root For: Houston, Tulsa, Colorado
Location:
Post: #74
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-11-2022 11:25 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:22 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 05:59 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Gonna be a good soccer conference. Wonder if FIU will reconsider joining the American

As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.

I think the SB is content with its membership at 10 and FIU should be pleased with the AAC, good conference with USF & FAU in it.

That leaves Liberty. My bet is the MAC.
Without UCF, but with FIU, the AAC would be at 9. Liberty would make 10. An even number makes it possible to have a conference game for every school every weekend.

There are 7-8 weekends available for conference play. The Big East had 11 teams playing a round-robin. With an odd number of teams you need 11 rounds of 5 games. The Big East played 7 weekend matches and 4 mid-week matches, including a stretch of 7 matches in 22 days (at least for most 4 schools, 7 would have had a bye).

You are more likely to play your starting 11 in a conference game, and so you have worn out players. If your midweek game is OOC, you can rest your starters or maybe limit their play.

In addition, because the Big East had 6 teams in the conference tournament they needed three games.

CUSA with 9 teams, played seven weekends with 4 games. The 8th game was played midweek scattered through the season. You can stretch those out some by playing Friday-Wednesday-Sunday.

So AAC at 9 (with FIU) can play a similar schedule. The midweek games could be Tulsa-SMU, Memphis-UAB, and FIU-FAU which at least reduces the travel hardship in addition to playing three games in 10 days.

If FIU played in the Sun Belt this would be 11 teams and they would end up with a schedule like the Big East or using divisions.

The ACC with 12 teams played in divisions.

So if the Sun Belt can get UCF they would be wise not to invite FIU or Liberty. If they could get some real Sun Belt schools, they might even want to push the SEC or B12 schools out.

I doubt they will push the P5s out. They have been a part of the plan for a while.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-933041.html
Going beyond 10 teams for soccer is irrational because of the scheduling. 8 is actually ideal.

If any of the 8 Sun Belt schools that don't sponsor soccer decide to do so then the conference is likely obligated to take them.
05-12-2022 12:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
mturn017 Offline
ODU Homer
*

Posts: 14,002
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 1187
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location: Roanoke, VA
Post: #75
RE: Sun Belt Men’s Soccer Returning in 2022
(05-12-2022 12:27 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:25 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:22 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:18 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 07:06 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  As stated earlier, FIU is "persona non grata" to the Sun Belt.

I think the SB is content with its membership at 10 and FIU should be pleased with the AAC, good conference with USF & FAU in it.

That leaves Liberty. My bet is the MAC.
Without UCF, but with FIU, the AAC would be at 9. Liberty would make 10. An even number makes it possible to have a conference game for every school every weekend.

There are 7-8 weekends available for conference play. The Big East had 11 teams playing a round-robin. With an odd number of teams you need 11 rounds of 5 games. The Big East played 7 weekend matches and 4 mid-week matches, including a stretch of 7 matches in 22 days (at least for most 4 schools, 7 would have had a bye).

You are more likely to play your starting 11 in a conference game, and so you have worn out players. If your midweek game is OOC, you can rest your starters or maybe limit their play.

In addition, because the Big East had 6 teams in the conference tournament they needed three games.

CUSA with 9 teams, played seven weekends with 4 games. The 8th game was played midweek scattered through the season. You can stretch those out some by playing Friday-Wednesday-Sunday.

So AAC at 9 (with FIU) can play a similar schedule. The midweek games could be Tulsa-SMU, Memphis-UAB, and FIU-FAU which at least reduces the travel hardship in addition to playing three games in 10 days.

If FIU played in the Sun Belt this would be 11 teams and they would end up with a schedule like the Big East or using divisions.

The ACC with 12 teams played in divisions.

So if the Sun Belt can get UCF they would be wise not to invite FIU or Liberty. If they could get some real Sun Belt schools, they might even want to push the SEC or B12 schools out.

I doubt they will push the P5s out. They have been a part of the plan for a while.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-933041.html
Going beyond 10 teams for soccer is irrational because of the scheduling. 8 is actually ideal.

If any of the 8 Sun Belt schools that don't sponsor soccer decide to do so then the conference is likely obligated to take them.

Sun Belt schools thinking about starting MSOC will be gently encouraged to consider investing those funds into MBB instead.
05-12-2022 10:17 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2022 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2022 MyBB Group.