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RE: Michigan universities see decline in enrollment; numbers increase at community colleg
(04-30-2022 06:46 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  That's not true. If you attend a school, you are an alum of that school.

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alum·​nus | \ ə-ˈləm-nəs \
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Sorry, the dictionary may say that anyone who attends a school is an alum, but I'm not accepting it. I'm not accepting the guys on my floor who dropped out after a year as alums and I'm sure as hell not accepting a loser like Tim Allen as an alum of a school I actually graduated from. What about all the people who transferred from one school to another? Are they alums of both schools. Of course not.

Grads = alums. Dropouts are not alums, despite what a dictionary says.

Hope that helps.
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(04-30-2022 06:46 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  That's not true. If you attend a school, you are an alum of that school.

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alum·​nus | \ ə-ˈləm-nəs \
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Definition of alumnus

1 : a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university

Sorry, the dictionary may say that anyone who attends a school is an alum, but I'm not accepting it. I'm not accepting the guys on my floor who dropped out after a year as alums and I'm sure as hell not accepting a loser like Tim Allen as an alum of a school I actually graduated from. What about all the people who transferred from one school to another? Are they alums of both schools. Of course not.

Grads = alums. Dropouts are not alums, despite what a dictionary says.

Hope that helps.

How was this brainless rant supposed to help?
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(05-06-2022 05:06 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  How was this brainless rant supposed to help?

Sorry that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
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Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.
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(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

They're doing whatever they can to keep enrollment up. It's actually more than that though. In an era of declining enrollment among Michigan's public universities, MSU and UofM are continuing to expand. Between 2012 and 2021, MSU's enrollment went from 48,906 to 49,659, and U-M rose from 43,426 all the way to 50,278! While other institutions are really struggling, the two big schools are flush with cash. Their greed is going to kill every other public school in the state.

Not even major scandals will keep students away from MSU and other "big" schools. The bright lights and media indoctrination are real. When you grow up seeing MSU and U-M sports on every channel, their gear in every store, their logos everywhere, it plants a seed in your mind that those are the places you have to be.

I really don't know how other schools are going to compete going forward. Michigan and other Midwest states are stagnant in population. People are having fewer kids, there are fewer HS grads every year, and college continues to get more expensive. Pretty bleak outlook if you ask me. Big changes happening in higher ed before too long.
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(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

They're doing whatever they can to keep enrollment up. It's actually more than that though. In an era of declining enrollment among Michigan's public universities, MSU and UofM are continuing to expand. Between 2012 and 2021, MSU's enrollment went from 48,906 to 49,659, and U-M rose from 43,426 all the way to 50,278! While other institutions are really struggling, the two big schools are flush with cash. Their greed is going to kill every other public school in the state.

Not even major scandals will keep students away from MSU and other "big" schools. The bright lights and media indoctrination are real. When you grow up seeing MSU and U-M sports on every channel, their gear in every store, their logos everywhere, it plants a seed in your mind that those are the places you have to be.

I really don't know how other schools are going to compete going forward. Michigan and other Midwest states are stagnant in population. People are having fewer kids, there are fewer HS grads every year, and college continues to get more expensive. Pretty bleak outlook if you ask me. Big changes happening in higher ed before too long.

I agree. Bleak as hell for the non MSU or UM schools in Michigan.
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(05-06-2022 04:37 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(04-30-2022 06:46 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  That's not true. If you attend a school, you are an alum of that school.

alumnus noun

alum·​nus | \ ə-ˈləm-nəs \
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Definition of alumnus

1 : a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university

Sorry, the dictionary may say that anyone who attends a school is an alum, but I'm not accepting it. I'm not accepting the guys on my floor who dropped out after a year as alums and I'm sure as hell not accepting a loser like Tim Allen as an alum of a school I actually graduated from. What about all the people who transferred from one school to another? Are they alums of both schools. Of course not.

Grads = alums. Dropouts are not alums, despite what a dictionary says.

Hope that helps.


This is like some crazy MAGA reasoning here.
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RE: Michigan universities see decline in enrollment; numbers increase at community colleg
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(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

They're doing whatever they can to keep enrollment up. It's actually more than that though. In an era of declining enrollment among Michigan's public universities, MSU and UofM are continuing to expand. Between 2012 and 2021, MSU's enrollment went from 48,906 to 49,659, and U-M rose from 43,426 all the way to 50,278! While other institutions are really struggling, the two big schools are flush with cash. Their greed is going to kill every other public school in the state.

Not even major scandals will keep students away from MSU and other "big" schools. The bright lights and media indoctrination are real. When you grow up seeing MSU and U-M sports on every channel, their gear in every store, their logos everywhere, it plants a seed in your mind that those are the places you have to be.

I really don't know how other schools are going to compete going forward. Michigan and other Midwest states are stagnant in population. People are having fewer kids, there are fewer HS grads every year, and college continues to get more expensive. Pretty bleak outlook if you ask me. Big changes happening in higher ed before too long.

You get it.

This is a numbers game. Predicted by many over 15 years ago. Schools like MSU and UofM took advantage of their massive wealth and name recognition to expand out-of-state and international markets. GVSU did a fantastic job of marketing and shoring up Kent/Ottawa counties. CMU, NMU, EMU, and LSSU wished it wouldn't happen. MTU expanded their reach into Wisconsin.

Every time WMU made moves to stop the bleeding, leadership changes were made at various levels and everything would restart again. Beyond frustrating to watch as old ideas that didn't work are new again, and other ideas that were working get ignored or de-funded because the new leaders didn't come up with them.

If you ever want some insight, track down the old dogs who still recruit for WMU in admissions, business, engineering, and aviation. Some in Alumni, too. Those poor bastards have seen it all.
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(05-07-2022 09:44 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 09:55 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

They're doing whatever they can to keep enrollment up. It's actually more than that though. In an era of declining enrollment among Michigan's public universities, MSU and UofM are continuing to expand. Between 2012 and 2021, MSU's enrollment went from 48,906 to 49,659, and U-M rose from 43,426 all the way to 50,278! While other institutions are really struggling, the two big schools are flush with cash. Their greed is going to kill every other public school in the state.

Not even major scandals will keep students away from MSU and other "big" schools. The bright lights and media indoctrination are real. When you grow up seeing MSU and U-M sports on every channel, their gear in every store, their logos everywhere, it plants a seed in your mind that those are the places you have to be.

I really don't know how other schools are going to compete going forward. Michigan and other Midwest states are stagnant in population. People are having fewer kids, there are fewer HS grads every year, and college continues to get more expensive. Pretty bleak outlook if you ask me. Big changes happening in higher ed before too long.

You get it.

This is a numbers game. Predicted by many over 15 years ago. Schools like MSU and UofM took advantage of their massive wealth and name recognition to expand out-of-state and international markets. GVSU did a fantastic job of marketing and shoring up Kent/Ottawa counties. CMU, NMU, EMU, and LSSU wished it wouldn't happen. MTU expanded their reach into Wisconsin.

Every time WMU made moves to stop the bleeding, leadership changes were made at various levels and everything would restart again. Beyond frustrating to watch as old ideas that didn't work are new again, and other ideas that were working get ignored or de-funded because the new leaders didn't come up with them.

If you ever want some insight, track down the old dogs who still recruit for WMU in admissions, business, engineering, and aviation. Some in Alumni, too. Those poor bastards have seen it all.


Maybe it's time for WMU to focus on something other than student body numbers? The glory days of state universities are over with, the cost and other factors are diminishing the number of potential students. Western will likely never see the days of 25,000 students again-they'll be fortunate if they can keep it from dropping below 20k.

Rather than engage in a no-holds-barred battle with the other regional schools in the state or MSU (UM is in a separate category of students) maybe Western needs to get back to focusing on the programs it does best and concentrate on getting the best students we can for those programs?

Reducing entrance requirements is the WRONG way to go. Lowering or eliminating Test scores and GPA is the WRONG way to go. Western leadership need to focus on elevating the perception of the school among graduating HS seniors and use that to separate us from the pack.

If Western is perceived as just another CMU/EMU/NMU than we've lost, IMO. If battling with them for the 2.0-2.5 GPA students who have undefined career goals and just want to coast awhile after HS before becoming a wage slave is all Western is focused on, we've lost.

Notre Dame has less than 13,000 students (grad and undergrad), they focus on quality and not quantity. I get that ND is a world renowned religious school and has many other things which make it different from WMU, but their focus on quality and not quantity is a lesson for all of us. Just my 'pinion', take it or leave it.
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(05-11-2022 12:33 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(05-07-2022 09:44 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 09:55 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

They're doing whatever they can to keep enrollment up. It's actually more than that though. In an era of declining enrollment among Michigan's public universities, MSU and UofM are continuing to expand. Between 2012 and 2021, MSU's enrollment went from 48,906 to 49,659, and U-M rose from 43,426 all the way to 50,278! While other institutions are really struggling, the two big schools are flush with cash. Their greed is going to kill every other public school in the state.

Not even major scandals will keep students away from MSU and other "big" schools. The bright lights and media indoctrination are real. When you grow up seeing MSU and U-M sports on every channel, their gear in every store, their logos everywhere, it plants a seed in your mind that those are the places you have to be.

I really don't know how other schools are going to compete going forward. Michigan and other Midwest states are stagnant in population. People are having fewer kids, there are fewer HS grads every year, and college continues to get more expensive. Pretty bleak outlook if you ask me. Big changes happening in higher ed before too long.

You get it.

This is a numbers game. Predicted by many over 15 years ago. Schools like MSU and UofM took advantage of their massive wealth and name recognition to expand out-of-state and international markets. GVSU did a fantastic job of marketing and shoring up Kent/Ottawa counties. CMU, NMU, EMU, and LSSU wished it wouldn't happen. MTU expanded their reach into Wisconsin.

Every time WMU made moves to stop the bleeding, leadership changes were made at various levels and everything would restart again. Beyond frustrating to watch as old ideas that didn't work are new again, and other ideas that were working get ignored or de-funded because the new leaders didn't come up with them.

If you ever want some insight, track down the old dogs who still recruit for WMU in admissions, business, engineering, and aviation. Some in Alumni, too. Those poor bastards have seen it all.


Maybe it's time for WMU to focus on something other than student body numbers? The glory days of state universities are over with, the cost and other factors are diminishing the number of potential students. Western will likely never see the days of 25,000 students again-they'll be fortunate if they can keep it from dropping below 20k.

Rather than engage in a no-holds-barred battle with the other regional schools in the state or MSU (UM is in a separate category of students) maybe Western needs to get back to focusing on the programs it does best and concentrate on getting the best students we can for those programs?

Reducing entrance requirements is the WRONG way to go. Lowering or eliminating Test scores and GPA is the WRONG way to go. Western leadership need to focus on elevating the perception of the school among graduating HS seniors and use that to separate us from the pack.

If Western is perceived as just another CMU/EMU/NMU than we've lost, IMO. If battling with them for the 2.0-2.5 GPA students who have undefined career goals and just want to coast awhile after HS before becoming a wage slave is all Western is focused on, we've lost.

Notre Dame has less than 13,000 students (grad and undergrad), they focus on quality and not quantity. I get that ND is a world renowned religious school and has many other things which make it different from WMU, but their focus on quality and not quantity is a lesson for all of us. Just my 'pinion', take it or leave it.

I agree that specialized schools will have better luck than generalized schools. It sort of runs against the purpose of a “university,” but no amount of wishing can ignore the massive bubble that is now perhaps popping in slow motion.
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1. Make appointments with high school principles to meet their seniors in their school auditorium.
2, Give them a power point presentation on everything WMU offers.
3. Answer all their questions.
4. Pass out brochures of information about WMU, and enrollment applications with self address envelopes.

Maybe WMU has a group of people that already does that. I don’t have any idea of how WMU recruits students. Maybe one of our poster here could fill us in.
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(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

A lot of universities have dropped SAT and ACT.
https://yocket.com/blog/universities-tha...re-sat-act
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(05-12-2022 08:09 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  1. Make appointments with high school principles to meet their seniors in their school auditorium.
2, Give them a power point presentation on everything WMU offers.
3. Answer all their questions.
4. Pass out brochures of information about WMU, and enrollment applications with self address envelopes.

Maybe WMU has a group of people that already does that. I don’t have any idea of how WMU recruits students. Maybe one of our poster here could fill us in.

It’s been several hours and nobody has criticized me for “principle” instead of “principal”. I noticed it as soon as I posted it. The older I get the less I pay attention to what I write.03-zzz
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(05-12-2022 08:25 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

A lot of universities have dropped SAT and ACT.
https://yocket.com/blog/universities-tha...re-sat-act


If a lot of universities have already done it, that's probably a good reason NOT to do it.

A race to the bottom is not a race WMU should be involved in. Let the other universities fight over the lower end of the bell curve of college applicants, WMU should do better. But it takes leadership making those decisions and I'm not certain ours is doing that.
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(05-12-2022 02:50 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 08:25 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(05-06-2022 07:31 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/20...years.html

Michigan St no longer requiring SAT or ACT scores. Wonder how this'll affect us.

A lot of universities have dropped SAT and ACT.
https://yocket.com/blog/universities-tha...re-sat-act


If a lot of universities have already done it, that's probably a good reason NOT to do it.

A race to the bottom is not a race WMU should be involved in. Let the other students fight over the lower end of the bell curve of college applicants, WMU should do better. But it takes leadership making those decisions and I'm not certain ours is doing that.

Look at the list at the end of the link. It includes many very highly respected universities.....including some ivy league schools.
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It's the latest woke thing to do, drop standardized testing due to social equity concerns. Which is why I expect WMU to jump on the bandwagon any day now if they haven't already.
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(05-12-2022 04:12 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  It's the latest woke thing to do, drop standardized testing due to social equity concerns. Which is why I expect WMU to jump on the bandwagon any day now if they haven't already.

Define woke, if you can.
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(05-12-2022 04:12 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  It's the latest woke thing to do, drop standardized testing due to social equity concerns. Which is why I expect WMU to jump on the bandwagon any day now if they haven't already.

No, it's not. "Woke" has nothing to do with this move. There is little reliable data showing that an ACT or SAT score has any bearing on a student's ability to earn a college degree. College Board turned it into a "need" for admissions criteria with little direct data to show why.

A test taken by a kid in their junior year of high school just doesn't predict how they will do when they start college more than a year later.

This talk about a "race to the bottom" is ridiculous.
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(05-12-2022 08:09 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  1. Make appointments with high school principles to meet their seniors in their school auditorium.
2, Give them a power point presentation on everything WMU offers.
3. Answer all their questions.
4. Pass out brochures of information about WMU, and enrollment applications with self address envelopes.

Maybe WMU has a group of people that already does that. I don’t have any idea of how WMU recruits students. Maybe one of our poster here could fill us in.

Literally every single college and university does this.
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(05-12-2022 10:20 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 08:09 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  1. Make appointments with high school principles to meet their seniors in their school auditorium.
2, Give them a power point presentation on everything WMU offers.
3. Answer all their questions.
4. Pass out brochures of information about WMU, and enrollment applications with self address envelopes.

Maybe WMU has a group of people that already does that. I don’t have any idea of how WMU recruits students. Maybe one of our poster here could fill us in.

Literally every single college and university does this.

You may be right, but I don't remember seeing a single presentation at my school. In fact, I don't remember seeing anyone from any college in our school, ever. Despite my HS having a 99% graduation rate, and a really high percentage of grads that went on to college. Now this was about 15 years ago, maybe things have changed. I dunno. I remember the National Guard table in the cafeteria though, lol. I swear those recruiters were there every other week.
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