(04-06-2022 03:48 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 02:46 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

This is a tweet from another expansion know it all. Note the date of the article.

Yep, that's his "source".

(04-07-2022 11:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-07-2022 10:57 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  

(04-07-2022 09:35 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

The dude is right on the $€c, not the B1G.

The SEC has zero interest in USC, as in none. SEC Presidents want regional dominance. The SEC might stretch to Kansas. Look at a map. Kansas creates a new Northwest Corner. They are interested in North Carolina and Virginia, a new Northeast Corner. And they are interested in a 2nd Florida school.

Since ESPN is interested in owning rights to all schools of any significance below a line running from Virginia through Kentucky, through Missouri, and into Kansas and everything South into Texas and Florida you have the scope of SEC/ESPN aspirations.

With the AAC, ACC, & SEC all ESPN needs to do to accomplish this is to acquire all of the B12's rights, and make sure Kansas, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, and perhaps Georgia Tech are taken care of within financial reason. I suspect some movement between ESPN families to accomplish this.

Perhaps ESPN would have interest in PAC schools heading to the Big 12, but I suspect they would prefer USC to go independent, pay USC a sum equal to an SEC payout and then control their schedule pitting them and BYU in the Big 12 against name brand schools ranging from OU and UT to ND, Clemson, FSU, and some SEC schools. It's the cheapest and easiest play.

That actually makes a lot of sense, I mean they already did that with BYU prior to their Big 12 invite. Meanwhile with the Big 12 they not only have Kansas but they can also move into Ohio and completely lock down Florida and Texas. That's huge with the B1G and possibly pricing themselves out of ESPN. ESPN can just maneuver around with thr other conferences and markets.

Where there is smoke... this is from the Sunbelt board:

"Oregon and USC have been rumored to the B1G. Oregon has said if state legislation would allow, they would leave the Beavers and head to the B1G, USC has said everything is on the table.

These are just rumors, and have been reported as rumors."

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946169.html

SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now. It should be interesting to see who wins or it ends up like an AFC/NFC type setup.

The mid/low-level ACC, PAC-12, and Big 12 (probably all of the remaining Big 12) teams are gonna get screwed before this century is over.

(04-14-2022 06:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now.

Every conference but those 2 will have been raided.

Geography makes all of the P5 necessary, imo. The Pac 12 and ACC have been underperforming for awhile; and the Big 12 has outperformed them regardless (because of geography).
You'll never see a P5 Texas school (and their surrounding neighbors) outpaced by most Western or Northeastern P5s. It's just not going to happen.

That said, I have a hard time seeing conferences larger than 20 for the foreseeable future.

IMO the money is only there for a "Whale" like USC. The days of expanding for a Maryland are over.

(04-14-2022 07:01 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 06:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now.

Every conference but those 2 will have been raided.

Geography makes all of the P5 necessary, imo. The Pac 12 and ACC have been underperforming for awhile; and the Big 12 has outperformed them regardless (because of geography).
You'll never see a P5 Texas school (and their surrounding neighbors) outpaced by most Western or Northeastern P5s. It's just not going to happen.

That said, I have a hard time seeing conferences larger than 20 for the foreseeable future.

IMO the money is only there for a "Whale" like USC. The days of expanding for a Maryland are over.

Since the Pac-8 was formed in 1964, the conference has not lost a team to another conference. That is still true today. They are one of three conferences that has not lost a team. Pro Football Reference keeps data on NFL & AFL draft history. It can be sorted by school. I took the period from 2000 to 2021 for draft history to show the total NFL draft picks for each Big 12 conference school and each Pac-12 conference school in that period:

USC -118
Oklahoma -106
Stanford - 79
Texas - 77
Oregon - 74
UCLA – 67
Cal – 67
Utah - 61
Washington - 58
Arizona State – 58
TCU - 55
Oregon State – 50
West Virginia - 50
Kansas State - 47
Colorado -45
Baylor - 39
Arizona – 39
Cincinnati – 37
Oklahoma State - 37
UCF - 35
BYU - 34
Texas Tech - 34
Washington State - 30
Houston - 22
Iowa State – 18
Kansas - 18

As you can see, Oklahoma and Texas easily produce the most NFL talent in the conference. The numbers for the Big 12 overall are not that good, and when Oklahoma and Texas leave, it only gets worse. What teams in the Big 12 can replace OU & UT? That is the question the next Big 12 commissioner needs to answer for the TV Networks.

(04-14-2022 09:45 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 07:01 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 06:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now.

Every conference but those 2 will have been raided.

Geography makes all of the P5 necessary, imo. The Pac 12 and ACC have been underperforming for awhile; and the Big 12 has outperformed them regardless (because of geography).
You'll never see a P5 Texas school (and their surrounding neighbors) outpaced by most Western or Northeastern P5s. It's just not going to happen.

That said, I have a hard time seeing conferences larger than 20 for the foreseeable future.

IMO the money is only there for a "Whale" like USC. The days of expanding for a Maryland are over.

Since the Pac-8 was formed in 1964, the conference has not lost a team to another conference. That is still true today. They are one of three conferences that has not lost a team. Pro Football Reference keeps data on NFL & AFL draft history. It can be sorted by school. I took the period from 2000 to 2021 for draft history to show the total NFL draft picks for each Big 12 conference school and each Pac-12 conference school in that period:

USC -118
Oklahoma -106
Stanford - 79
Texas - 77
Oregon - 74
UCLA – 67
Cal – 67
Utah - 61
Washington - 58
Arizona State – 58
TCU - 55
Oregon State – 50
West Virginia - 50
Kansas State - 47
Colorado -45
Baylor - 39
Arizona – 39
Cincinnati – 37
Oklahoma State - 37
UCF - 35
BYU - 34
Texas Tech - 34
Washington State - 30
Houston - 22
Iowa State – 18
Kansas - 18

As you can see, Oklahoma and Texas easily produce the most NFL talent in the conference. The numbers for the Big 12 overall are not that good, and when Oklahoma and Texas leave, it only gets worse. What teams in the Big 12 can replace OU & UT? That is the question the next Big 12 commissioner needs to answer for the TV Networks.

Notice how you talk about NFL draft picks and not results on the field. The Big 12 has far surpassed the Pac 12 in football and lapped them in basketball starting with the BCS era.

(04-14-2022 09:45 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 07:01 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 06:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now.

Every conference but those 2 will have been raided.

Geography makes all of the P5 necessary, imo. The Pac 12 and ACC have been underperforming for awhile; and the Big 12 has outperformed them regardless (because of geography).
You'll never see a P5 Texas school (and their surrounding neighbors) outpaced by most Western or Northeastern P5s. It's just not going to happen.

That said, I have a hard time seeing conferences larger than 20 for the foreseeable future.

IMO the money is only there for a "Whale" like USC. The days of expanding for a Maryland are over.

Since the Pac-8 was formed in 1964, the conference has not lost a team to another conference. That is still true today. They are one of three conferences that has not lost a team. Pro Football Reference keeps data on NFL & AFL draft history. It can be sorted by school. I took the period from 2000 to 2021 for draft history to show the total NFL draft picks for each Big 12 conference school and each Pac-12 conference school in that period:

USC -118
Oklahoma -106
Stanford - 79
Texas - 77
Oregon - 74
UCLA – 67
Cal – 67
Utah - 61
Washington - 58
Arizona State – 58
TCU - 55
Oregon State – 50
West Virginia - 50
Kansas State - 47
Colorado -45
Baylor - 39
Arizona – 39
Cincinnati – 37
Oklahoma State - 37
UCF - 35
BYU - 34
Texas Tech - 34
Washington State - 30
Houston - 22
Iowa State – 18
Kansas - 18

As you can see, Oklahoma and Texas easily produce the most NFL talent in the conference. The numbers for the Big 12 overall are not that good, and when Oklahoma and Texas leave, it only gets worse. What teams in the Big 12 can replace OU & UT? That is the question the next Big 12 commissioner needs to answer for the TV Networks.

I totally agree with your point here.

But as an aside, has the talent actually done anything in the pros? I know Oklahoma and Texas QBs have been garbage for instance.

(04-14-2022 10:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 09:45 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 07:01 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 06:28 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  SEC and B1G are competing to become the next NFL right now.

Every conference but those 2 will have been raided.

Geography makes all of the P5 necessary, imo. The Pac 12 and ACC have been underperforming for awhile; and the Big 12 has outperformed them regardless (because of geography).
You'll never see a P5 Texas school (and their surrounding neighbors) outpaced by most Western or Northeastern P5s. It's just not going to happen.

That said, I have a hard time seeing conferences larger than 20 for the foreseeable future.

IMO the money is only there for a "Whale" like USC. The days of expanding for a Maryland are over.

Since the Pac-8 was formed in 1964, the conference has not lost a team to another conference. That is still true today. They are one of three conferences that has not lost a team. Pro Football Reference keeps data on NFL & AFL draft history. It can be sorted by school. I took the period from 2000 to 2021 for draft history to show the total NFL draft picks for each Big 12 conference school and each Pac-12 conference school in that period:

USC -118
Oklahoma -106
Stanford - 79
Texas - 77
Oregon - 74
UCLA – 67
Cal – 67
Utah - 61
Washington - 58
Arizona State – 58
TCU - 55
Oregon State – 50
West Virginia - 50
Kansas State - 47
Colorado -45
Baylor - 39
Arizona – 39
Cincinnati – 37
Oklahoma State - 37
UCF - 35
BYU - 34
Texas Tech - 34
Washington State - 30
Houston - 22
Iowa State – 18
Kansas - 18

As you can see, Oklahoma and Texas easily produce the most NFL talent in the conference. The numbers for the Big 12 overall are not that good, and when Oklahoma and Texas leave, it only gets worse. What teams in the Big 12 can replace OU & UT? That is the question the next Big 12 commissioner needs to answer for the TV Networks.

Notice how you talk about NFL draft picks and not results on the field. The Big 12 has far surpassed the Pac 12 in football and lapped them in basketball starting with the BCS era.

Big 12 spends 100% of their money on those 2 areas - not on other sports, academics, etc. shouldn't they be better than the PAC 12 there?

(04-07-2022 10:57 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  

(04-07-2022 09:35 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

The dude is right on the $€c, not the B1G.

He is never right.

(04-06-2022 05:25 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 01:35 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  So the Rose Bowl just dies? What on earth would they do at this point? This story is garbage until the Rose Bowl is addressed.

It has to be all or nothing with some B1G West schools moving over and the B1G possibly adding more at a certain date.

The Rose Bowl has been dead since the BCS entered the picture. It’s long past time accept it.

Nah. I rather watch the best Big Ten vs best Pac 12 instead of watching the best Big 12 team lose by 40 every Semifinal.

(04-14-2022 11:00 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 05:25 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 01:35 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  So the Rose Bowl just dies? What on earth would they do at this point? This story is garbage until the Rose Bowl is addressed.

It has to be all or nothing with some B1G West schools moving over and the B1G possibly adding more at a certain date.

The Rose Bowl has been dead since the BCS entered the picture. It’s long past time accept it.

Nah. I rather watch the best Big Ten vs best Pac 12 instead of watching the best Big 12 team lose by 40 every Semifinal.

No you wouldn’t. Most in the Pac12 don’t even care about the Pac12.

The Pac12 has nearly been passed by the American in both major sports. It’s dead. There’s a reason why even Pac12 leaders are wondering if major college football is for them.

It desperately needs the BIG to take in 6-9 of the Pac12 schools, otherwise it’s going to result in being a pseudo MWC.

Imo soon you’ll have Rose Bowl as the conference title game, and part of the new CFP.

(04-15-2022 12:20 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-14-2022 11:00 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 05:25 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 01:35 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  So the Rose Bowl just dies? What on earth would they do at this point? This story is garbage until the Rose Bowl is addressed.

It has to be all or nothing with some B1G West schools moving over and the B1G possibly adding more at a certain date.

The Rose Bowl has been dead since the BCS entered the picture. It’s long past time accept it.

Nah. I rather watch the best Big Ten vs best Pac 12 instead of watching the best Big 12 team lose by 40 every Semifinal.

No you wouldn’t. Most in the Pac12 don’t even care about the Pac12.

The Pac12 has nearly been passed by the American in both major sports. It’s dead. There’s a reason why even Pac12 leaders are wondering if major college football is for them.

It desperately needs the BIG to take in 6-9 of the Pac12 schools, otherwise it’s going to result in being a pseudo MWC.

Imo soon you’ll have Rose Bowl as the conference title game, and part of the new CFP.

Facts. ^

(04-07-2022 07:30 PM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Who has won? The PAC didn't...

Why are we citing anonymous, faceless twitter accounts with 2 followers? Like, who does that?

So weird.

(04-15-2022 07:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Why are we citing anonymous, faceless twitter accounts with 2 followers? Like, who does that?

So weird.

JBook has 37.9K Followers

(04-15-2022 11:21 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-15-2022 07:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Why are we citing anonymous, faceless twitter accounts with 2 followers? Like, who does that?

So weird.

JBook has 37.9K Followers

And this guy has 2:

(04-15-2022 01:29 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-15-2022 11:34 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-15-2022 11:21 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

(04-15-2022 07:11 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Why are we citing anonymous, faceless twitter accounts with 2 followers? Like, who does that?

So weird.

JBook has 37.9K Followers

And this guy has 2:

(04-15-2022 01:29 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  

It was a thread.

You want me to check the followers of JBook?

So weird.

B1G can go:

B1G West: USC, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UW, Oregon
B1G Central: Iowa, UN, Minn, Wisc, NWU, Illinois
B1G North: OSU, UM, MSU, PSU, Indiana, Purdue
B1G East: RU, Maryland, UNC, Duke, UVA, GaTech

SEC (20): FSU, Clemson, NC State, Miami

Big 16: Utah, Arizonas, CU, Beavers, WSU, BSU

ACC (14): UC, WVU, USF, UCF, UConn, Memphis, ECU, Temple or Nova (WVU, UC buyout waived as Big merges with remaining PAC)

8 team playoff. 2 AQs for B1G and SEC.

JMO, but if a batch of PAC schools join the BIG, the whole thing will fail under its own weight. The west coast schools will have so much travel being paired with 4-5 schools in the north Midwest. Just as likely, the voting block of PAC/BIG/ACC, may find a way to make SEC programs pay a price for joining up together in the form of severely limiting the growth of the playoff.