(04-22-2022 03:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-22-2022 01:58 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  To more important things. Siddle just got a two year contract extension. Includes new incentives. Hope it also includes a bigger buyout clause.

Interesting, I was hoping that would wait one more year. But I do agree, I hope we have learned from past mistakes and it has a huge buyout


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Shouldn’t such contracts be a matter of public knowledge since he’s an employee of a public university?


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(04-22-2022 08:29 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(04-22-2022 03:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-22-2022 01:58 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  To more important things. Siddle just got a two year contract extension. Includes new incentives. Hope it also includes a bigger buyout clause.

Interesting, I was hoping that would wait one more year. But I do agree, I hope we have learned from past mistakes and it has a huge buyout


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Shouldn’t such contracts be a matter of public knowledge since he’s an employee of a public university?


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It is public knowledge. Someone just needs to request a public record with the state.

When we had a beat reporter it was usually done promptly.

The buyout is what is key to the University. I also like it when schools also include a provision that the new school has to schedule a home and home. Often it results in additional money as the departing coach doesn't want to play the games or we get a couple good games on schedule

Here's the majority of the extension:

https://twitter.com/TheSeahawkPerch/stat...kKy0uAmB8g

Maybe I’m just too old and the eyes are worse than I thought, but I’m not reading about any change to buyout compensation in there.

It looks like he is only guaranteed the 300k base salary moving forward. The 200k raise is classified as supplemental income and ends if things do not work out

(04-25-2022 07:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It looks like he is only guaranteed the 300k base salary moving forward. The 200k raise is classified as supplemental income and ends if things do not work out

That type of language has been typical since we guaranteed so much for Buzz. Base salaries have been smaller with bonuses based on success.

(04-25-2022 08:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It looks like he is only guaranteed the 300k base salary moving forward. The 200k raise is classified as supplemental income and ends if things do not work out

That type of language has been typical since we guaranteed so much for Buzz. Base salaries have been smaller with bonuses based on success.

the 200k isn't a bonus though. It's guaranteed as long as he is coach. He got a guaranteed raise regardless of performance, but if he is let go we are only on the hook for the original amount

(04-25-2022 09:11 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:55 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:16 PM)solohawks Wrote:  It looks like he is only guaranteed the 300k base salary moving forward. The 200k raise is classified as supplemental income and ends if things do not work out

That type of language has been typical since we guaranteed so much for Buzz. Base salaries have been smaller with bonuses based on success.

the 200k isn't a bonus though. It's guaranteed as long as he is coach. He got a guaranteed raise regardless of performance, but if he is let go we are only on the hook for the original amount

Anything that isn't guaranteed, from a legal aspect, is a bonus. And that's the point. It means we aren't on the hook to pay anything over the guaranteed amount if he is let go. We got away from large guarantees with Buzz and haven't gone back since.

Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

(04-26-2022 09:13 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

It would be tough to find a coach who is willing to commit on a year to year deal with no guarantee

Elon has hired Billy Taylor as their new coach

(04-26-2022 09:43 AM)Big Alpha Hawk Wrote:  Elon has hired Billy Taylor as their new coach

Not a bad resume, but it feels like a step down from Schrage.

(04-26-2022 09:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:13 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

It would be tough to find a coach who is willing to commit on a year to year deal with no guarantee

The contract was through 2025 and this is 2022-so where is the one year deal ? The old contract selling point was -you can't recruit players without a 4 year deal to sell to the parents . That went out with the covered wagon and the portal. Literally no chance any player ever considers that now and with a mid major coach as young as Siddle it can't be a factor at all . If they win again this coming season it will not matter because he will most likely be gone to the next job . Extending these coaches is always a one way street that can end very poorly for a UNCW .

(04-26-2022 11:18 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:13 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

It would be tough to find a coach who is willing to commit on a year to year deal with no guarantee

The contract was through 2025 and this is 2022-so where is the one year deal ? The old contract selling point was -you can't recruit players without a 4 year deal to sell to the parents . That went out with the covered wagon and the portal. Literally no chance any player ever considers that now and with a mid major coach as young as Siddle it can't be a factor at all . If they win again this coming season it will not matter because he will most likely be gone to the next job . Extending these coaches is always a one way street that can end very poorly for a UNCW .

I disagree. If a coach has 1 or 2 years left on the contract, getting players becomes more difficult.

Players don't like surprises and if they commit or transfer to play for someone, they want to play for that person.

If you only have 1 year left on your contract what type of player is going to want to transfer to your program? The people we are getting now are coming to play for Siddle. I'd argue the transfer portal makes the coach even more powerful.

(04-26-2022 11:46 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:18 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:13 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

It would be tough to find a coach who is willing to commit on a year to year deal with no guarantee

The contract was through 2025 and this is 2022-so where is the one year deal ? The old contract selling point was -you can't recruit players without a 4 year deal to sell to the parents . That went out with the covered wagon and the portal. Literally no chance any player ever considers that now and with a mid major coach as young as Siddle it can't be a factor at all . If they win again this coming season it will not matter because he will most likely be gone to the next job . Extending these coaches is always a one way street that can end very poorly for a UNCW .

I disagree. If a coach has 1 or 2 years left on the contract, getting players becomes more difficult.

Players don't like surprises and if they commit or transfer to play for someone, they want to play for that person.

If you only have 1 year left on your contract what type of player is going to want to transfer to your program? The people we are getting now are coming to play for Siddle. I'd argue the transfer portal makes the coach even more powerful.

Disagree al you want but the portal is like the wild,wild west and nobody knows what happens from one year to the next now . He also was under contract through 2025 not 2023 so that point is mute . It's always been a bad move to extend after one winning season and there was no reason to do this now -zero .

(04-27-2022 02:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:46 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:18 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:13 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Not sure why schools want to be on the hook like this for no reason but it was bound to happen .

It would be tough to find a coach who is willing to commit on a year to year deal with no guarantee

The contract was through 2025 and this is 2022-so where is the one year deal ? The old contract selling point was -you can't recruit players without a 4 year deal to sell to the parents . That went out with the covered wagon and the portal. Literally no chance any player ever considers that now and with a mid major coach as young as Siddle it can't be a factor at all . If they win again this coming season it will not matter because he will most likely be gone to the next job . Extending these coaches is always a one way street that can end very poorly for a UNCW .

I disagree. If a coach has 1 or 2 years left on the contract, getting players becomes more difficult.

Players don't like surprises and if they commit or transfer to play for someone, they want to play for that person.

If you only have 1 year left on your contract what type of player is going to want to transfer to your program? The people we are getting now are coming to play for Siddle. I'd argue the transfer portal makes the coach even more powerful.

Disagree al you want but the portal is like the wild,wild west and nobody knows what happens from one year to the next now . He also was under contract through 2025 not 2023 so that point is mute . It's always been a bad move to extend after one winning season and there was no reason to do this now -zero .

I don’t disagree. I’m obviously tremendously happy with what happened last year, but there was a lot of Sr leadership he inherited. So, this coming year will be truly mostly his guys playing large parts with the exception of Shy. Don’t mind adding some incentives i n there but let’s see one more year before extending


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What is more difficult?

1. Having a successful season with "your own" players.

or

2. Having a successful season with players you didn't recruit.

When you look at Coach Siddle from a holistic perspective, it's not difficult to see that players enjoy playing for him. If you follow the team's social media, it's full of evidence that supports that. Also, having a successful season, and only one player entered the portal... that's further evidence that guys like to play for him. I understand the opinion that you want to see production in various formats (recruited players), but I don't see an issue with the changes to the extension as done. I think, similar to others, that UNCW should protect its investment in Coach Siddle better (increased buyout clause), but getting an extension done after this past season wasn't a bad thing.

(05-02-2022 12:33 PM)Hawk81 Wrote:  What is more difficult?

1. Having a successful season with "your own" players.

or

2. Having a successful season with players you didn't recruit.

When you look at Coach Siddle from a holistic perspective, it's not difficult to see that players enjoy playing for him. If you follow the team's social media, it's full of evidence that supports that. Also, having a successful season, and only one player entered the portal... that's further evidence that guys like to play for him. I understand the opinion that you want to see production in various formats (recruited players), but I don't see an issue with the changes to the extension as done. I think, similar to others, that UNCW should protect its investment in Coach Siddle better (increased buyout clause), but getting an extension done after this past season wasn't a bad thing.

I don't disagree with anything you said about players appearing to like playing for Coach, at least now. Remember, he turned almost a whole roster in year 1. As far as your 1 & 2, i don't think either are necessarily more difficult. But, both of those scenarios are much easier when you have several Seniors that provide both leadership and stuff the stat sheet at the same time. We scored 96 points in the CBI final, 81 of which from guys that will not be on the roster next year.

Coach appears to have filled some of those vacancies with really solid players coming in, but you know how that goes until they get to campus. This year to me will be the year we really see what coach is made of, and that's not taking anything form last year because it was a very good year and a great run to finish it! He certainly should be proud of what he was able to accomplish last year.

(05-02-2022 01:41 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(05-02-2022 12:33 PM)Hawk81 Wrote:  What is more difficult?

1. Having a successful season with "your own" players.

or

2. Having a successful season with players you didn't recruit.

When you look at Coach Siddle from a holistic perspective, it's not difficult to see that players enjoy playing for him. If you follow the team's social media, it's full of evidence that supports that. Also, having a successful season, and only one player entered the portal... that's further evidence that guys like to play for him. I understand the opinion that you want to see production in various formats (recruited players), but I don't see an issue with the changes to the extension as done. I think, similar to others, that UNCW should protect its investment in Coach Siddle better (increased buyout clause), but getting an extension done after this past season wasn't a bad thing.

I don't disagree with anything you said about players appearing to like playing for Coach, at least now. Remember, he turned almost a whole roster in year 1. As far as your 1 & 2, i don't think either are necessarily more difficult. But, both of those scenarios are much easier when you have several Seniors that provide both leadership and stuff the stat sheet at the same time. We scored 96 points in the CBI final, 81 of which from guys that will not be on the roster next year.

Coach appears to have filled some of those vacancies with really solid players coming in, but you know how that goes until they get to campus. This year to me will be the year we really see what coach is made of, and that's not taking anything form last year because it was a very good year and a great run to finish it! He certainly should be proud of what he was able to accomplish last year.

Basketball will have the same problem as baseball, with the logjam of upperclassmen leaving a young and inexperienced roster in its' wake. Those seniors helped us win, but they also ate up playing time in a very unbalanced roster. We will go from having a roster loaded with seniors to a roster with no seniors back to back. It's going to take a few years to get back to a normal rotation of incoming freshmen who learn on their way to improving and becoming starters. Thomas looked good at the end of the year in limited play, but how will he respond if he is the starter with a lot of time on the court? We also lost three guards in a guard heavy offense, so what will we look like without them?

We also have three scholarships left, so my bet is we bring in two guards and another big to fill out the roster. I don't think we will win the conference next year, but I also don't think we will fall to the bottom.