(03-23-2023 08:32 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(04-05-2022 08:02 AM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  we are falling; not sure for what reasons but hopefully people are trying to fix it, even if it is a matter of "playing the game" better.

Actually, our #38 ranking is up from #40 last year.

Is this in US News rankings that all the top colleges are declining to participate in now?

(03-23-2023 08:58 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:32 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(04-05-2022 08:02 AM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  we are falling; not sure for what reasons but hopefully people are trying to fix it, even if it is a matter of "playing the game" better.

Our ranking actually is #41, down from #40 last year.

Is this in US News rankings that all the top colleges are declining to participate in now?

No significant colleges are declining to participate. The top tier of US News college rankings is the same as it ever was: Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc.

(03-23-2023 08:57 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 05:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 02:39 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  Leadership alignment is 12!?

Yeah...we have a billion dollars but are too poor to fire our failing MBB coach and still looking for 2 million to build a practice court. Based on how easily other schools get this stuff done, Id say the C-suite and the AD arent on the same page. TBH, Im not sure what the BOV etc are trying to accomplish at any given time. Do they have alternative goals or just do-nothings? Another example is losing EVMS to ODU.

For various definitions of "losing". My impression was we saw EVMS as something that would drag us down and ODU saw it the opposite.

No argument about the BOV/President and AD not being on the same page, unless that page is not spending any money and avoiding the lawsuits that the previous AD brought upon us.

It takes quite a lot of effort to start a med school from scratch. EVMS built an adequate scaffold that had improved year over year for 20 years. Taking it and remolding it into WMs image wouldnt be that hard. There arent many top-tier research universities that dont have a medical school. It hurts us in many ways that I think are poorly understood by those outside of the scientific community. There is no way a newly started medical school would thrive in Williamsburg without massive state investment.

(03-23-2023 03:33 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:58 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:32 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(04-05-2022 08:02 AM)soccerguy315 Wrote:  we are falling; not sure for what reasons but hopefully people are trying to fix it, even if it is a matter of "playing the game" better.

Our ranking actually is #41, down from #40 last year.

Is this in US News rankings that all the top colleges are declining to participate in now?

No significant colleges are declining to participate. The top tier of US News college rankings is the same as it ever was: Princeton, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, etc.

The top med and law schools are dropping like flies. There's a Wall Street Journal article about it (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-news-co...w-fe24f0b2) behind a paywall, and this USA Today article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/educ...274010002/

From the USA Today article:
“I’d be skeptical of any approach that relies on accreditors to be the brokers of that information. I think they’re conflicted,” said Beth Akers, a senior fellow at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute.

“I’m probably supposed to be arguing for smaller government,” Akers said, “but there is a role for bigger government in this space. It’s a travesty that we don’t have independent sources of information about this product.”

(03-23-2023 04:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:57 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 05:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 02:39 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  Leadership alignment is 12!?

Yeah...we have a billion dollars but are too poor to fire our failing MBB coach and still looking for 2 million to build a practice court. Based on how easily other schools get this stuff done, Id say the C-suite and the AD arent on the same page. TBH, Im not sure what the BOV etc are trying to accomplish at any given time. Do they have alternative goals or just do-nothings? Another example is losing EVMS to ODU.

For various definitions of "losing". My impression was we saw EVMS as something that would drag us down and ODU saw it the opposite.

No argument about the BOV/President and AD not being on the same page, unless that page is not spending any money and avoiding the lawsuits that the previous AD brought upon us.

It takes quite a lot of effort to start a med school from scratch. EVMS built an adequate scaffold that had improved year over year for 20 years. Taking it and remolding it into WMs image wouldnt be that hard. There arent many top-tier research universities that dont have a medical school. It hurts us in many ways that I think are poorly understood by those outside of the scientific community. There is no way a newly started medical school would thrive in Williamsburg without massive state investment.

My point was just that we weren't outbid or anything, we decided not to pursue. I'm not commenting on the merits of that decision, just that it isn't indicative of organizational disarray.

(03-23-2023 04:53 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 04:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:57 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 05:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 02:39 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  Leadership alignment is 12!?

Yeah...we have a billion dollars but are too poor to fire our failing MBB coach and still looking for 2 million to build a practice court. Based on how easily other schools get this stuff done, Id say the C-suite and the AD arent on the same page. TBH, Im not sure what the BOV etc are trying to accomplish at any given time. Do they have alternative goals or just do-nothings? Another example is losing EVMS to ODU.

For various definitions of "losing". My impression was we saw EVMS as something that would drag us down and ODU saw it the opposite.

No argument about the BOV/President and AD not being on the same page, unless that page is not spending any money and avoiding the lawsuits that the previous AD brought upon us.

It takes quite a lot of effort to start a med school from scratch. EVMS built an adequate scaffold that had improved year over year for 20 years. Taking it and remolding it into WMs image wouldnt be that hard. There arent many top-tier research universities that dont have a medical school. It hurts us in many ways that I think are poorly understood by those outside of the scientific community. There is no way a newly started medical school would thrive in Williamsburg without massive state investment.

My point was just that we weren't outbid or anything, we decided not to pursue. I'm not commenting on the merits of that decision, just that it isn't indicative of organizational disarray.

A decision that was definitely NOT For The Bold.

(03-23-2023 04:53 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 04:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-23-2023 08:57 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 05:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 02:39 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  Leadership alignment is 12!?

Yeah...we have a billion dollars but are too poor to fire our failing MBB coach and still looking for 2 million to build a practice court. Based on how easily other schools get this stuff done, Id say the C-suite and the AD arent on the same page. TBH, Im not sure what the BOV etc are trying to accomplish at any given time. Do they have alternative goals or just do-nothings? Another example is losing EVMS to ODU.

For various definitions of "losing". My impression was we saw EVMS as something that would drag us down and ODU saw it the opposite.

No argument about the BOV/President and AD not being on the same page, unless that page is not spending any money and avoiding the lawsuits that the previous AD brought upon us.

It takes quite a lot of effort to start a med school from scratch. EVMS built an adequate scaffold that had improved year over year for 20 years. Taking it and remolding it into WMs image wouldnt be that hard. There arent many top-tier research universities that dont have a medical school. It hurts us in many ways that I think are poorly understood by those outside of the scientific community. There is no way a newly started medical school would thrive in Williamsburg without massive state investment.

My point was just that we weren't outbid or anything, we decided not to pursue. I'm not commenting on the merits of that decision, just that it isn't indicative of organizational disarray.

Yeah, I understand. My point was that the BOV doesnt seem interested in doing much of anything. There are so many ways to advance the university, but we mostly like to maintain the status quo, while other schools grow and adapt. We no longer live in a time where you can take 5-10 years to make a decision.