(04-09-2022 10:43 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  I think you have it almost.

I think the Big 12 becomes the Big 16. 15 with 3 divisions doesn't quite cut it. however, 16 Teams with 4 Pods/Divisions works perfectly. You'll have a 9 game Conference schedule with 3 OOC games. The teams play their own Pod/Division and 2 (Half) of the other 3 Pods/Divisions yearly.

EAST: UC, WVa, UCF and USF

TEXAS, Texas Tech., TCU. Baylor and Houston

NORTH. Iowa St., UK, KSU and Memphis

WEST, OSU, BYU, CSU and SMU/SDSU/BSU

With this model Schools will play in Texas every year and Florida every other year.

I do not believe that the Big 12 will take another Texas schooll. That is unless circumstances demand it.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Would put Memphis West and OSU in the North if Texas schools insist on staying together, but not sure if I’d take BSU out of that group over a fifth Texas team like SMU, which bridges the Western pod a lot more.

(04-09-2022 02:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 10:43 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  I think you have it almost.

I think the Big 12 becomes the Big 16. 15 with 3 divisions doesn't quite cut it. however, 16 Teams with 4 Pods/Divisions works perfectly. You'll have a 9 game Conference schedule with 3 OOC games. The teams play their own Pod/Division and 2 (Half) of the other 3 Pods/Divisions yearly.

EAST: UC, WVa, UCF and USF

TEXAS, Texas Tech., TCU. Baylor and Houston

NORTH. Iowa St., UK, KSU and Memphis

WEST, OSU, BYU, CSU and SMU/SDSU/BSU

With this model Schools will play in Texas every year and Florida every other year.

I do not believe that the Big 12 will take another Texas schooll. That is unless circumstances demand it.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Would put Memphis West and OSU in the North if Texas schools insist on staying together, but not sure if I’d take BSU out of that group over a fifth Texas team like SMU, which bridges the Western pod a lot more.

This statement shows just how much you know about football in the state of Texas. The University of Texas was the only school keeping SMU out of the Big XII. And they will no longer be a factor after they leave.

(04-09-2022 06:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 02:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 10:43 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  I think you have it almost.

I think the Big 12 becomes the Big 16. 15 with 3 divisions doesn't quite cut it. however, 16 Teams with 4 Pods/Divisions works perfectly. You'll have a 9 game Conference schedule with 3 OOC games. The teams play their own Pod/Division and 2 (Half) of the other 3 Pods/Divisions yearly.

EAST: UC, WVa, UCF and USF

TEXAS, Texas Tech., TCU. Baylor and Houston

NORTH. Iowa St., UK, KSU and Memphis

WEST, OSU, BYU, CSU and SMU/SDSU/BSU

With this model Schools will play in Texas every year and Florida every other year.

I do not believe that the Big 12 will take another Texas schooll. That is unless circumstances demand it.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Would put Memphis West and OSU in the North if Texas schools insist on staying together, but not sure if I’d take BSU out of that group over a fifth Texas team like SMU, which bridges the Western pod a lot more.

This statement shows just how much you know about football in the state of Texas. The University of Texas was the only school keeping SMU out of the Big XII. And they will no longer be a factor after they leave.

If Texas was the only school keeping SMU out of the Big 12, then we wouldve gotten an invite last year

I may be biased but this is my evaluation of the Big XII candidates:

SMU - good football and basketball. Pluses in academics, facilities, recruiting, boosters, NIL opportunities, job opportunities, location, history, pro alumni, etc.

Memphis - good football and basketball. Pluses in location, no on campus stadium, commuter school reputation.

South Florida - Pluses in location, recruiting, no on campus stadium, no recent performance but potential.

Colorado State - Pluses in facilities, location, no history, no recent performance but potential.

(04-09-2022 07:16 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 06:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 02:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 10:43 AM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  I think you have it almost.

I think the Big 12 becomes the Big 16. 15 with 3 divisions doesn't quite cut it. however, 16 Teams with 4 Pods/Divisions works perfectly. You'll have a 9 game Conference schedule with 3 OOC games. The teams play their own Pod/Division and 2 (Half) of the other 3 Pods/Divisions yearly.

EAST: UC, WVa, UCF and USF

TEXAS, Texas Tech., TCU. Baylor and Houston

NORTH. Iowa St., UK, KSU and Memphis

WEST, OSU, BYU, CSU and SMU/SDSU/BSU

With this model Schools will play in Texas every year and Florida every other year.

I do not believe that the Big 12 will take another Texas schooll. That is unless circumstances demand it.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Would put Memphis West and OSU in the North if Texas schools insist on staying together, but not sure if I’d take BSU out of that group over a fifth Texas team like SMU, which bridges the Western pod a lot more.

This statement shows just how much you know about football in the state of Texas. The University of Texas was the only school keeping SMU out of the Big XII. And they will no longer be a factor after they leave.

If Texas was the only school keeping SMU out of the Big 12, then we wouldve gotten an invite last year

Houston barely beat us out for the 4th slot based on their south Texas recruiting and the void left by UT and TAMU.

A whole lot of schools in the Big 12 outside of Texas wouldn't want to elevate another Texas school.

(04-09-2022 02:10 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 11:48 AM)cc22 Wrote:  Still waiting to hear how any remaining G5 makes any Big 12 member any money

that line of thought is now retiring...the Big XII will do what their TV overlords tell them to do for more money.

It’s one and the same. How can you not see that?

The biggest TV overlord, likely ESPN for the Big 12, owns the top (SEC) and bottom (AAC) and has one middle class (ACC). It does not benefit from adding another middle class and adding to it from its bottom.

ESPN tried to liquidate one of its midmarket portfolios vis the top of the Big 12 to its top asset portfolio, the SEC, while moving the rest to the bottom. A good move, but poorly executed. Whether the leak or poor strategy, It instead got an awkwardly larger middle class on its books.

The solution is not to keep making that even larger. It’s to push for more liquidation of the middle tier. They either have to subsidize KU or WVU to other conferences, or they stratify the ACC. KU is BIG or bust, maybe SEC, so it’s pretty much on WVU. Although I think they’d love to be in the current ACC, they also realize that the Clemson types are not going to be happy making $200 million less every 4 years. The ACC, if it survives, will be in name only.

they want markets to control TV sets...Memphis, SMU, USF, and either BSU/CSU will eventually be in a 16 team Big XII

(04-09-2022 09:27 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 02:10 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 11:48 AM)cc22 Wrote:  Still waiting to hear how any remaining G5 makes any Big 12 member any money

that line of thought is now retiring...the Big XII will do what their TV overlords tell them to do for more money.

It’s one and the same. How can you not see that?

The biggest TV overlord, likely ESPN for the Big 12, owns the top (SEC) and bottom (AAC) and has one middle class (ACC). It does not benefit from adding another middle class and adding to it from its bottom.

ESPN tried to liquidate one of its midmarket portfolios vis the top of the Big 12 to its top asset portfolio, the SEC, while moving the rest to the bottom. A good move, but poorly executed. Whether the leak or poor strategy, It instead got an awkwardly larger middle class on its books.

The solution is not to keep making that even larger. It’s to push for more liquidation of the middle tier. They either have to subsidize KU or WVU to other conferences, or they stratify the ACC. KU is BIG or bust, maybe SEC, so it’s pretty much on WVU. Although I think they’d love to be in the current ACC, they also realize that the Clemson types are not going to be happy making $200 million less every 4 years. The ACC, if it survives, will be in name only.

they want markets to control TV sets...Memphis, SMU, USF, and either BSU/CSU will eventually be in a 16 team Big XII

No, they want to make money. They can control those markets more cost effectively with the AAC. Much more cost effectively.

There was a brief time when a few of those were considered, but the Big 12 leftovers and ESPN have moved on. There’s no incentive or reason to add those schools from the network perspective or the Big 12. Those types of schools can ALWAYS be had. No other conference wants them, no other network wants them.

It’s all about redoing the P5 into a P2 now. That does not lend itself to ESPN adding to the middle class Big 12 from the American.


Perhaps once the P5 is fully converted into a P2, the best of the rest, P5 leftovers conference, splits into two conferences, of which a few AAC schools could move into. Initially though it will be around 20 schools pretending they’re still a “P” conference.

(04-09-2022 09:27 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 02:10 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 12:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 11:48 AM)cc22 Wrote:  Still waiting to hear how any remaining G5 makes any Big 12 member any money

that line of thought is now retiring...the Big XII will do what their TV overlords tell them to do for more money.

It’s one and the same. How can you not see that?

The biggest TV overlord, likely ESPN for the Big 12, owns the top (SEC) and bottom (AAC) and has one middle class (ACC). It does not benefit from adding another middle class and adding to it from its bottom.

ESPN tried to liquidate one of its midmarket portfolios vis the top of the Big 12 to its top asset portfolio, the SEC, while moving the rest to the bottom. A good move, but poorly executed. Whether the leak or poor strategy, It instead got an awkwardly larger middle class on its books.

The solution is not to keep making that even larger. It’s to push for more liquidation of the middle tier. They either have to subsidize KU or WVU to other conferences, or they stratify the ACC. KU is BIG or bust, maybe SEC, so it’s pretty much on WVU. Although I think they’d love to be in the current ACC, they also realize that the Clemson types are not going to be happy making $200 million less every 4 years. The ACC, if it survives, will be in name only.

they want markets to control TV sets...Memphis, SMU, USF, and either BSU/CSU will eventually be in a 16 team Big XII

If (as the rumors suggest) that the B10 is merely waiting to add Kansas til after TX and OK leave, then all 5 of those could very well be the additions.

If the Big10 also manages to get Missouri (and the ACC is still in GOR lockdown), then I think the SEC grabs OK State.

(Though seen by some as unlikely, alternatively, IA State could also win the lottery and potentially go to Big10.)

Then B12 likely backfills with some combination of Tulane, Rice, Tulsa, or SMiss

At which point, the G5 figure out their backfills, and P5 realignment likely pauses til ACC is more an option.

(04-06-2022 05:03 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-05-2022 05:55 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 12:13 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  USF - travel partner for UCF, more Florida recruiting

Before the NCAA stuff I'd have said Memphis, but I think they now go with

Colorado State - you can't say they are bad at basketball anymore, and their football facilities/academics/endowment are even with several other B12 members.

Doesn't KU have 5 five Level One infractions hanging over their heads? Are they going to get kicked out of the Big 12 if the hammer drops?

KU is already in the club. Big difference. They're also a very well respected university, AAU.

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I’m aware that KU is already in the club. My comment was made to see if the KU fan would acknowledge the obvious. One you are in the P5, it really doesn’t matter how much you cheat. That’s part of the problem with the NCAA.

(04-07-2022 12:51 AM)ibby10 Wrote:  Don’t really watch Big12 games, but they probably won’t add further until there is another departure. And first team that will get the call is USF. Second one will be flavor of the month… ie whoever stands out from the rest at the time.

I don’t get the fascination with USF. They had all the advantages of being in a BCS conference and did absolutely nothing with it. Why actively pursue a school that has already proven they can’t get it done, even with every advantage? Just look how UCF blew USF out of the water even though USF had a huge advantage in conference and market.

(04-10-2022 09:38 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-07-2022 12:51 AM)ibby10 Wrote:  Don’t really watch Big12 games, but they probably won’t add further until there is another departure. And first team that will get the call is USF. Second one will be flavor of the month… ie whoever stands out from the rest at the time.

I don’t get the fascination with USF. They had all the advantages of being in a BCS conference and did absolutely nothing with it. Why actively pursue a school that has already proven they can’t get it done, even with every advantage? Just look how UCF blew USF out of the water even though USF had a huge advantage in conference and market.

Like you, I'm a Memphis fan and want the university to land Big 12 membership.

But I can clearly see the appeal of USF.

(04-04-2022 08:02 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I'm about 75 percent sure the Big 12 is going to invite schools.

So the question more specifically is: two or four?

If the Big 12 leadership mindset is, as JRSec notes, major ACC implosion is coming (with the SEC and/or Big Ten raiding the ACC), there is an argument to made for either two or four.

The Big 12 is now too spread out with no real path to connect their dots.
The Big 12 won't be adding any ACC schools and I don't think the ACC is interested in any of the Big 12 schools unless influenced by ESPN to do so.

(04-10-2022 10:04 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 09:38 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(04-07-2022 12:51 AM)ibby10 Wrote:  Don’t really watch Big12 games, but they probably won’t add further until there is another departure. And first team that will get the call is USF. Second one will be flavor of the month… ie whoever stands out from the rest at the time.

I don’t get the fascination with USF. They had all the advantages of being in a BCS conference and did absolutely nothing with it. Why actively pursue a school that has already proven they can’t get it done, even with every advantage? Just look how UCF blew USF out of the water even though USF had a huge advantage in conference and market.

Like you, I'm a Memphis fan and want the university to land Big 12 membership.

But I can clearly see the appeal of USF.

a school with potential that never lives up to it is worthless...but yes, they have potential.

(04-09-2022 09:44 AM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  Disclaimer: I’m still hungover from last night

In 2025 Big 12 adds three schools: Memphis, SMU and USF

Memphis is, in my estimation, the best all-around program left in the G5. I was there in 2019 when they packed 60,000 into the Liberty Bowl vs SMU. Not many (if any) G5 schools can do that. They’re centrally located in the new Big 12, located in a solid metro area and their basketball program could be as good as anyone in the country if they’d just fire Penny (and weather the sanctions for a year or two). Biggest issue is they need to address facilities. They’ve been talking about doing something with the Liberty Bowl or a new on-campus facility since Bush was in office. Time to step up.

Like it or not, NIL is the future, and SMU probably has more NIL support than any current G5 program. Facilities wise, SMU will be on-par with mid-tier P5 programs once the Ford Stadium renovation is completed. Location is both a blessing and a curse. UH, TCU , Baylor and Tech definitely don’t want another Texas school, but ultimately they don’t get to decide; ESPN and/or Fox do. Having a winning team in Dallas brings more eyeballs than one in Boise or Fort Collins. For non-revenue sports travel, SMU is 30 minutes away from two major airports. Biggest issue for SMU is getting over the hump - maybe (finally) make an AAC championship game and draw legit crowds to disprove the narrative that SMU’s brand is too small. This can be done. I remember an (almost) full Ford Stadium for lowly Tulsa in 2019. The recent AAC call-ups to the Big 12 all won AAC titles and played in NY6 bowls…SMU should consider doing the same ASAP.

USF has too much potential to ignore. 40k+ undergrads, major metro market, and they’ve proven before what their football potential is. UCF will screech about it but the rest of their pod (see below) would love a guaranteed game in Tampa/Orlando every year for recruiting. Biggest issue is are they serious about an on-campus stadium or is it just more bluster? They need to get shovels in the ground and their football program needs to show a pulse.

Three 5-team pods…you play every team in your pod each year and then the other 10 teams every other year for a 9-game conference schedule. Top two teams play for the conference championship at Jerryworld. Since Texas is becoming the epicenter of college football, this structure also guarantees that the schools outside the Texas pod get at least one game in the state annually. These pods also work for basketball: play everyone in your pod 2x and every other team once for an 18-game conference schedule.

East- UCF, USF, WVU, Cincy, Memphis

Instantly you’ve got at least three good rivalries here; WVU-Cincy will become one, and then you’ve got Cincy/Memphis and UCF/USF. WVU and Cincy will like a guaranteed game in FL every year.

Texas - Baylor, Tech, SMU, TCU, Houston

I would market this pod as a “Texas State Championship” each year complete with a trophy and everything, kind of like how Army/Navy/AFA do the Commander in Chief’s trophy.

West - Oklahoma State, Kansas, K-State, ISU, BYU

Ok these were just the five teams that were left and I doubt anyone is still reading

You should write hungover more often. I like this idea a lot. But I also would love an all Texas conference so clearly I’m biased. If Big 12 expands and SMU gets left out I wouldn’t mind them packing up, taking Tulsa, Tulane and Texas State and jumping to MWC