(04-04-2022 10:33 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

We make the NIT, win the NIT, then almost beat the top seed in the NCAA in the three years there was postseason play. All of this with a brand new coach, but he is doing a bad job. Ha ha ha!

Some people are just that dumb, but you can't fix stupid.

I guess that depends on your opinion of Memphis basketball.

(04-04-2022 10:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

Exactly...

Some people want to completely forget the start of the season and say Penny did a great job of fixing things ignoring the reason why it was broken.



Others want to forget the end of the season and say this team under performed based solely on the start of the season where things were broken.

At the end of the season this team was a very good team...I say they were playing to their potential at that point...Even if there were no issues at the start of the season I don't think they would have been better at the end.

But as far as results go they did underperform because of their seeding due to the poor start.

All the below can be true at the same time

Poor start is on Penny due to poor management at the start

Penny did a good job fixing the issues from the start of the season.

Team met its potential on the court by the end of the season.

Team underperformed expectations because of seeding.

(04-04-2022 09:59 AM)former guest Wrote:  I will miss Lester's game. He did a lot for the team, like play harassing defense, fight for rebounds and putbacks, hit an occasional three, and in general be an all-around hustling guy. I hope he gets some feedback from the draft evaluation process and decides to come back and work on that input. But if he doesn't come back, I wish him well in the future, wherever it leads him.

No doubt and I think there was a direct correlation between how much better the team played towards the end and how much better Lester was shooting from 3. Hope he decides to come back and graduate a Tiger. Always thought he was Penny's only 5 tool player. Also plays his butt off.

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I have a curiosity with him, will he do that once all of his personal tie kids are gone, the East gang plus Tyler? He never played on teams that did that, he averaged 33 mins a game at Memphis so I have never believed he really thought our strength is in numbers just an excuse to sneak guys in the game like his son. The other things you mentioned and his ability to recruit is why I hope he makes it.

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

The only player that mattered was Williams. IF Penny would have signed a great point guard, we would have been unstoppable. As it is, we beat the #1 team in the country fair and square, beat Houston twice handily, and were just as good, if not better than almost every other team in the tournament. The refs screwing us with Gonzaga created a massive missed opportunity; a real shame.

(04-04-2022 10:33 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

We make the NIT, win the NIT, then almost beat the top seed in the NCAA in the three years there was postseason play. All of this with a brand new coach, but he is doing a bad job. Ha ha ha!

Some people are just that dumb, but you can't fix stupid.

The same people think Josh Pastner took over a bad situation

(04-04-2022 03:38 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and Penny has had some PR missteps, but much of your list is also nothing more than gossip. Its okay to be critical of aspects of the coach, but oftentimes people are critical of things that are complete nonsense. There are many who will come up with or latch onto anything just for a chance to degrade and talk down about Penny due to personal issues unrelated to job performance.

Why people can't be happy that our program has shown an upward trajecty and we're competing with the best again is beyond me. Either way, be glad he doesn't act like Juwan Howard or Will Smith. That would be not only unprofessional, but also criminal.

(04-04-2022 03:38 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

As far as this entire list goes, WGAS? Just a Karen inventing stuff nobody should be upsetted at.

(04-04-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 03:38 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

As far as this entire list goes, WGAS? Just a Karen inventing stuff nobody should be upsetted at.

Karens are spawning like salmon. It’s a curious phenomenon

(04-04-2022 10:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 03:38 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

As far as this entire list goes, WGAS? Just a Karen inventing stuff nobody should be upsetted at.

Karens are spawning like salmon. It’s a curious phenomenon

Oy vey.

(04-04-2022 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

Exactly...

Some people want to completely forget the start of the season and say Penny did a great job of fixing things ignoring the reason why it was broken.



Others want to forget the end of the season and say this team under performed based solely on the start of the season where things were broken.

At the end of the season this team was a very good team...I say they were playing to their potential at that point...Even if there were no issues at the start of the season I don't think they would have been better at the end.

But as far as results go they did underperform because of their seeding due to the poor start.

All the below can be true at the same time

Poor start is on Penny due to poor management at the start

Penny did a good job fixing the issues from the start of the season.

Team met its potential on the court by the end of the season.

Team underperformed expectations because of seeding.

BUT...What would expectations have been without Emoni? Because that's really where we ended up. Many were predicting he would be MVP - and that drove the top 10 expectations. If we had gotten Jalen without Emoni, wouldn't top 25ish have been the expectation?

(Sorry for the delay - I've been traveling)

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I think Penny's use of rosters has 0.0 to do with the departures.
If it were just Penny losing players - maybe.
Plus, Earl got more time than he deserved.
Lester led the team in minutes last year.
Camden & Big Sam were redshirts and had nothing to do with rotations - nor should they have on this team.
Landers, maybe - due to the start of the year.

(04-04-2022 03:38 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 01:34 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

That’s a very fair question. I love Penny and there are absolutely things he does well as a coach from an outsiders perspective. Like defense. He’s a great coach defensively. Grit and toughness is another. I think he instills that in the guys.
But, for me, his use of players and sub patterns is dreadful. So bad it trumps everything else for me personally. We are seeing the result of that with departures.
He’s our coach and I’m sure that doesn’t change but if it did, I’d be ok with that.
Either way I still love the guy.

I've been more bothered by his lack of professionalism.
The Wiseman situation (which he was deceptive to the media about)
Cussing at Rick Barnes
The COVID vaccine deception
Cussing at Geoff Calkins
Some of the stuff rumored with Brooks Hansen (threats to his family? C'mon)
Some of the stuff rumored about his chronic tardiness to practices

You couple the above with underperforming on-the-court performance and a merry-go-round of staff, and I just don't see how criticism of Penny's tenure can be viewed as negative.

lol
I take it back.
This one takes the cake.

lester will be back

Word on the Street
Lester. Gone. LOCK

(04-13-2022 05:49 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Word on the Street
Lester. Gone. LOCK

Pro or another college?

(04-13-2022 05:09 PM)EastMemphisTiger1 Wrote:  lester will be back

I can understand Lester maybe testing the waters or playing overseas but going to another college doesn't make a lot of sense. He's already developed a brand at Memphis with fans buying shirts bearing his name which he will get paid for under the NIL, if I am understanding that right, and he would stand to make some bucks with NIL. With one year as a senior somewhere else would he have time to build another brand? I doubt it. "IF" he goes deep in the second round of the draft he may or may not make it and too late then for NIL money. If he hasn't entered the transfer portal he is probably not looking at another school. I hope he comes back.

LQ gets pretty much max minutes at Memphis - so it's not a PT thing.
Only 2 reasons LQ might transfer.
1 - Get closer to home - like BEast options.
2 - Wants to be the offensive focal point - would have to drop down in competition.