(04-03-2022 01:39 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:30 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 12:46 PM)msu35 Wrote:  I believe you are confused about what I'm referencing. Its on the previous page. I ask about inside knowledge and then you posted immediately after. You did not reference any other posts, hence the context I mention.

At least we agree that Penny is genuinely a good guy. I disagree regarding the other aspects of your opinion. He's very green as far as collegiate coaching experience goes, but he's won the NIT outright and darn near knocked out the top seed in the NCAA tournament this year. If this isn't a clear sign of an upward trajectory and growth as a coach and leader, nothing will convince the doubters.

Name one coach who has accomplished this with four total years of coaching experience. I bet you can't. Enough said.

Hubert Davis

Okay, then Penny is in excellent company, but you're completely wrong. He's been an assistant since 2012. That's a lot more than four years of coaching experience at the collegiate level.

Are you making the case that Penny is not qualified?

For someone who brags about Mensa, you aren't very intelligent. I'm making the case that no one has as good of a track record this far into their coaching career. Proved me wrong. Penny also clearly has demonstrated an upward trajectory. First year NIT, second year postseason is cancelled, third year wins the NIT, fourth year almost beats the top seed in the NCAA. If this isn't clear to you, you can't be helped.

Penny’s hire was based on his ability to deliver his HS roster & rejuvenate the fan base. It was not based on a coaching track record, so calling for comparatives is a canard: there are none. He’s basically a 50 year old neophyte leading a high major program. No other major program, with the exception of Houston with Drexler, has been desperate enough to take a chance on a coach with absolutely no experience. Now, there are plenty of 1st time head coaches with better results… Sean Miller, Hubert Davis, Brad Stevens, Mark Few… but there are none with ZERO experience as an assistant.

Penny has proven to be a fantastic recruiter, decent bench coach & terrible leader; & I just happen to think leadership is the most important yet most difficult to learn.

(04-03-2022 02:18 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:39 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:30 PM)450bench Wrote:  Hubert Davis

Okay, then Penny is in excellent company, but you're completely wrong. He's been an assistant since 2012. That's a lot more than four years of coaching experience at the collegiate level.

Are you making the case that Penny is not qualified?

For someone who brags about Mensa, you aren't very intelligent. I'm making the case that no one has as good of a track record this far into their coaching career. Proved me wrong. Penny also clearly has demonstrated an upward trajectory. First year NIT, second year postseason is cancelled, third year wins the NIT, fourth year almost beats the top seed in the NCAA. If this isn't clear to you, you can't be helped.

Penny’s hire was based on his ability to deliver his HS roster & rejuvenate the fan base. It was not based on a coaching track record, so calling for comparatives is a canard: there are none. He’s basically a 50 year old neophyte leading a high major program. No other major program, with the exception of Houston with Drexler, has been desperate enough to take a chance on a coach with absolutely no experience. Now, there are plenty of 1st time head coaches with better results… Sean Miller, Hubert Davis, Brad Stevens, Mark Few… but there are none with ZERO experience as an assistant.

Penny has proven to be a fantastic recruiter, decent bench coach & terrible leader; & I just happen to think leadership is the most important yet most difficult to learn.

Thanks for proving my point. Penny has performed incredibly well with the number of years of coaching experience he has at this level. Hint: assistant coaching is still coaching.

I would agree with your premise if Penny was not losing Quinones, Timberlake, Nolley, Minott, Onu & Camden & was building on last year’s late season run. Instead, the momentum gained was lost & next year is dependent on the transfer portal.

(04-03-2022 03:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I would agree with your premise if Penny was not losing Quinones, Timberlake, Nolley, Minott, Onu & Camden & was building on last year’s late season run. Instead, the momentum gained was lost & next year is dependent on the transfer portal.

Which is why I keep saying we need to go ahead and take it on the chin. If we havent gotten a conclusion from the NCAA by mid summer I would self impose a few scholarship deductions and a post season ban. Let next season be a wash and then go full steam ahead for the future.

(04-03-2022 03:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I would agree with your premise if Penny was not losing Quinones, Timberlake, Nolley, Minott, Onu & Camden & was building on last year’s late season run. Instead, the momentum gained was lost & next year is dependent on the transfer portal.

The transfer portal is going to completely change the player management game. Its too early to freak out.

(04-03-2022 03:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 03:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I would agree with your premise if Penny was not losing Quinones, Timberlake, Nolley, Minott, Onu & Camden & was building on last year’s late season run. Instead, the momentum gained was lost & next year is dependent on the transfer portal.

The transfer portal is going to completely change the player management game. Its too early to freak out.

Way too early.

But some people freak out 24/7. It’s a low level energy that their bodies run on. if you save your cortisol up for the really serious times, it works better. lol
#cortisol
#addiction

(04-03-2022 03:46 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 03:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 03:02 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  I would agree with your premise if Penny was not losing Quinones, Timberlake, Nolley, Minott, Onu & Camden & was building on last year’s late season run. Instead, the momentum gained was lost & next year is dependent on the transfer portal.

The transfer portal is going to completely change the player management game. Its too early to freak out.

Way too early.

But some people freak out 24/7. It’s a low level energy that their bodies run on. if you save your cortisol up for the really serious times, it works better. lol
#cortisol
#addiction

Then “they” get excited
#EmotionalRollercoaster”
#ViciousCycle
#DontCallMeCrazy”
“WhatUTalkinboutWillis”

To the person making the argument that 1 year of head coaching experience = 1 year of assistant coaching experience.. just so their particular narrative is satisfied, that's one of the dumbest arguments Ive ever seen on this forum.

If you are going to go that route, why not at least create a point system for their entire lifetime that includes other variables. Lets say you assign 1/6th of a point for every year of assistant coaching to every 1 point per year for head coaching. How many points are assigned to other roles within the coaching staff? What about points for having been a player? Maybe more points to ex point guards than ex centers? Why have you only picked head coach and assistant coach and lazily assigned them a simple 1:1 ratio?

(04-03-2022 03:58 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  To the person making the argument that 1 year of head coaching experience = 1 year of assistant coaching experience.. just so their particular narrative is satisfied, that's one of the dumbest arguments Ive ever seen on this forum.

If you are going to go that route, why not at least create a point system for their entire lifetime that includes other variables. Lets say you assign 1/6th of a point for every year of assistant coaching to every 1 point per year for head coaching. How many points are assigned to other roles within the coaching staff? What about points for having been a player? Maybe more points to ex point guards than ex centers? Why have you only picked head coach and assistant coach and lazily assigned them a simple 1:1 ratio?

Who said its 1:1 moron?

(04-03-2022 01:41 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:30 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 12:46 PM)msu35 Wrote:  I believe you are confused about what I'm referencing. Its on the previous page. I ask about inside knowledge and then you posted immediately after. You did not reference any other posts, hence the context I mention.

At least we agree that Penny is genuinely a good guy. I disagree regarding the other aspects of your opinion. He's very green as far as collegiate coaching experience goes, but he's won the NIT outright and darn near knocked out the top seed in the NCAA tournament this year. If this isn't a clear sign of an upward trajectory and growth as a coach and leader, nothing will convince the doubters.

Name one coach who has accomplished this with four total years of coaching experience. I bet you can't. Enough said.

Hubert Davis

Okay, then Penny is in excellent company, but you're completely wrong. He's been an assistant since 2012. That's a lot more than four years of coaching experience at the collegiate level.

So?

Penny’s been a head coach at this level for 4 years. Davis one year.

If you don't get the significance of experience, there is no way to explain it in a way you would understand. Compare apples to apples. Coaching experience is coaching experience. Penny has four years, Hubert has ten. Enough said.

Right here dips*&t. You said Hubert has been an assistant since 2012, and right here you gave him 10 years credit to Penny's 4. That's 1:1 credit.

(04-03-2022 05:27 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:41 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:32 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 01:30 PM)450bench Wrote:  Hubert Davis

Okay, then Penny is in excellent company, but you're completely wrong. He's been an assistant since 2012. That's a lot more than four years of coaching experience at the collegiate level.

So?

Penny’s been a head coach at this level for 4 years. Davis one year.

If you don't get the significance of experience, there is no way to explain it in a way you would understand. Compare apples to apples. Coaching experience is coaching experience. Penny has four years, Hubert has ten. Enough said.

Right here dips*&t. You said Hubert has been an assistant since 2012, and right here you gave him 10 years credit to Penny's 4. That's 1:1 credit.

I didn't say it was exactly 1:1, but assistant coaching experience is far greater than zero, and experience coaching at the college level is significant. Deny that Einstein.

I will miss Lester's game. He did a lot for the team, like play harassing defense, fight for rebounds and putbacks, hit an occasional three, and in general be an all-around hustling guy. I hope he gets some feedback from the draft evaluation process and decides to come back and work on that input. But if he doesn't come back, I wish him well in the future, wherever it leads him.

(04-04-2022 09:59 AM)former guest Wrote:  I will miss Lester's game. He did a lot for the team, like play harassing defense, fight for rebounds and putbacks, hit an occasional three, and in general be an all-around hustling guy. I hope he gets some feedback from the draft evaluation process and decides to come back and work on that input. But if he doesn't come back, I wish him well in the future, wherever it leads him.

I will too and for a lack of a better word, I will miss the innocence and purity that still sort of existed with the college game. If players didn't perform to their potential, that was that. It's a little bit different now. With players getting paid and so free and willing to move, it is a little less different from the pro game.

In the past, if a player got run off, I would genuinely be unhappy or disappointed. Now, I guess I will be a bit, but now staying on scholarship has become much more merit based, rather than the school following through on their commitment to automatically renew the scholarship.

(04-02-2022 01:11 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 01:08 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Toppert did not think the LSU situation was ideal, Just better than here

I think any ambitious coach looking to further their career would choose a P5 program, given the chance. Other than that, not sure how LSU's situation is better than ours.

Unless the AC is an alum or has deep ties to the HC, they probably SHOULD look to move on every 3-4 years. Especially if it is to another high major.

(04-02-2022 02:09 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Too many promises & too little leadership. I like the guy, but he is not a leader.

lol
This one takes the cake.
And that's saying something with the trolls in this thread.

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

(04-03-2022 01:27 PM)450bench Wrote:  I guess those criticizing Penny’s use of personnel, and that’s just about everybody who has watched our games, don’t like Penny.

That notion is absurd and delusional.

There are some obvious trolls and anti-Penny folks piping up in this thread. You see posters over time and it's obvious their opinions. It's not just a criticism of rotations - we've all been there. It's a track record.

Even you yourself - as balanced as your takes normally are - admitted that you feel we need a new coach earlier this year. So you appear not to like him as a coach. Maybe your view is a bit tilted as well?

(04-04-2022 10:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 10:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:19 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 03:14 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  His teams underperform every year.
He turned things around once Bates was gone, but could not repair the damage & keep his squad together.

I have no confidence next season will be better than this one.

Interesting narrative. Do you realize it was actually when Williams came back from injury that it turned around. Anything to bash Penny or Bates, though, right? Since you won't have any confidence and hate the coach, no sense pretending to be a fan.

Don't let the door hit you.

Why did the team need turning around

Penny over-estimated and over-valued Emoni's ability to contribute right away. He was not alone on this. In fact, I didn't hear anyone say preseason that Emoni would need the time that we all eventually realized he would need.

But Penny's err caused friction. He has admitted this, and you have to believe he learned from it. He corrected well before 9-8 and the team turned. Then injuries hit.

What he and they accomplished the back half is remarkable. Not sure how anyone can say otherwise. But the ones who gave up on him early this year, got quiet with the run. Until now.

We make the NIT, win the NIT, then almost beat the top seed in the NCAA in the three years there was postseason play. All of this with a brand new coach, but he is doing a bad job. Ha ha ha!

Some people are just that dumb, but you can't fix stupid.

(04-04-2022 10:14 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:09 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Too many promises & too little leadership. I like the guy, but he is not a leader.

lol
This one takes the cake.
And that's saying something with the trolls in this thread.

If you are smart you don't have to tell people. Unless you just think you are smart.

(04-04-2022 11:37 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 10:14 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-02-2022 02:09 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Too many promises & too little leadership. I like the guy, but he is not a leader.

lol
This one takes the cake.
And that's saying something with the trolls in this thread.

If you are smart you don't have to tell people. Unless you just think you are smart.

IKR
Smart people don't even think about their smartness...lol. They just want to learn more because there is so much more to learn.