(03-30-2022 10:50 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Y'all act like some of these decisions are not mutually agreed upon.
Redshirting is not going to "hurt" recruiting.
It's going to disappear.
Kids like Camden and Onu are going to sign with mid majors.
Then if they are any good, they will enter the portal and end up at places like Memphis.
It's happening everywhere, people.

Exactly. It is the beginning of the building of a "pecking order" of schools so that the better players can work their way up and out. The problem will then be just where are we in the hierarchy, given our history of producing potential pros...

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

I doubt many (if any) called this guy a stud. Probably sounded like a wise comment in your brain.

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

(03-30-2022 08:45 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I miss Easterwood.

Same.

This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Onu is actually married. I think his wife plays at UCLA.

(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

Doesn't matter how well he shot...

If he was going to get abused on defense he wasn't going to play much for Penny.

Penny's defensive philosophy of essentially switch everything (Outside of the Gonzaga game) could really be exposed by a 3 who cant guard on the perimeter. If Penny needs\wants these type of guys his defenses are going to need to be a little more complex.

It's hilarious to me that people complain about Penny's rotations being too long.
Then every time a kid enters the transfer portal, the same people say Penny should have played him more.

(03-31-2022 09:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It's hilarious to me that people complain about Penny's rotations being too long.
Then every time a kid enters the transfer portal, the same people say Penny should have played him more.

Indeed.

(03-31-2022 09:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It's hilarious to me that people complain about Penny's rotations being too long.
Then every time a kid enters the transfer portal, the same people say Penny should have played him more.

Yep.

(03-31-2022 09:49 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  It's hilarious to me that people complain about Penny's rotations being too long.
Then every time a kid enters the transfer portal, the same people say Penny should have played him more.

Lol yep. Saw something funny the other day. An AAU got got a technical foul because he put all 10 guys on the court and refused to take 5 back. When he got the T he turned to the parents in the stands and said “see I’m not allowed to start everyone. This board reminds me of this

(03-31-2022 08:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

From what I remember Jones had an attitude problem as well.

(03-31-2022 02:18 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 08:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

From what I remember Jones had an attitude problem as well.

And judging by those numbers a skill problem, too.

(03-30-2022 06:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 08:39 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Cant blame this kid, Penny springing a redshirt on him

Like it or not the fact that they were "red-shirted" is going to bite us in future recruiting ... the fact that Penny recruited these kids; then "over-recruited" them by the late signing of Duren and Bates doesn't sit well .... While he might have convinced them that red-shirting was a good option at the time, the mid-season statements on now concentrating on the transfer portal just tells those kids that there really wasn't going to be a place for them ... Looks like next year the Tigers will be a team built on the Transfer Portal, and I'm guessing that we will never recruit anyone under a 5-Star type of Freshman again ... The 3 and 4-Star players see what is happening, and I don't see any of these type players coming here straight out of high school again ...

Quote:Like it or not the fact that they were "red-shirted" is going to bite us in future recruiting

Quote:I'm guessing that we will never recruit anyone under a 5-Star type of Freshman again

Your guess-o-meter is broken...seriously.

Quote:The 3 and 4-Star players see what is happening, and I don't see any of these type players coming here straight out of high school again

#125 and #148. 4*? What are you talking about? Where are they going to go? Duke?

How do you guys deal with an actual crisis in real life? Do you completely fall apart the same way that you do on a message board?

(03-31-2022 02:32 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 02:18 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-31-2022 08:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

From what I remember Jones had an attitude problem as well.

And judging by those numbers a skill problem, too.

Well one would probably play into the other. Who that 5 star that Pastner got that went nuts ? Forget his name