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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 01:34 AM)passat25 Wrote:  This big fella is going back to the West Coast with his gf.. Camden and Onu were gonna leave together anyway.

Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 06:26 AM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Camden is drawing acc interest.

Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 08:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

This is a PERFECT example of how you argue against yourself and they try to insist that you are right. Why would Jones play 17 minutes at Memphis and then only 11 minutes at Creighton, and 8 minutes at Louisiana?

The obvious answer is that because we had very few options at his position and were forced to play him more than he deserved.

Next year when Sam is possibly playing a few minutes here and there, you will beat your chest as if you are right. The reality is that the most minutes Dandridge played in a game this year was 20 minutes, and Duren and Williams missed multiple games. Good or no good, Sam would have obviously gotten his minutes if we don't sign Duren.

In 2018, Mike Parks played 22.1 minutes per game as part of a frontline consisting of Thornton, Davenport and Rivers. How many minutes do you think he would have played if he was on the 2003 team with Massie, Barron, Grice and Erwin? According to you, the same 22 minutes.

One size fits all doesn't make any sense. You plug in numbers that sometimes make sense, but don't account for the makeup of the rest of the team. THAT is the biggest determinant of playing time.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 02:53 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Well one would probably play into the other. Who that 5 star that Pastner got that went nuts ? Forget his name

Jelan Kendrick, I believe
Memphis to Old Miss to UNLV
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Can we just be honest... Sam was a throw in to get Camden. Both got on campus and neither were worth playing and now both are leaving.

This really is a simply matter.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 03:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 01:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 11:38 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  These guys are studs when they sign but duds when they leave.

"potential" studs
"exposed" duds

Just looked up Antwann Jones.

I remember how people were upset that Penny let him leave and that he was going to be a guy Memphis regretted letting get away.

At Memphis, Penny "undervalued" him and he averaged 5 and 3 in 17 minutes.

So he sits out a year to go the greener pastures of Creighton.

Averaged 3 and 2 in 11 minutes.

So he transfers to Louisiana (not LSU--U of Louisiana).

Averaged 2 and 2 in 8 minutes.

This is a PERFECT example of how you argue against yourself and they try to insist that you are right. Why would Jones play 17 minutes at Memphis and then only 11 minutes at Creighton, and 8 minutes at Louisiana?

The obvious answer is that because we had very few options at his position and were forced to play him more than he deserved.

Next year when Sam is possibly playing a few minutes here and there, you will beat your chest as if you are right. The reality is that the most minutes Dandridge played in a game this year was 20 minutes, and Duren and Williams missed multiple games. Good or no good, Sam would have obviously gotten his minutes if we don't sign Duren.

In 2018, Mike Parks played 22.1 minutes per game as part of a frontline consisting of Thornton, Davenport and Rivers. How many minutes do you think he would have played if he was on the 2003 team with Massie, Barron, Grice and Erwin? According to you, the same 22 minutes.

One size fits all doesn't make any sense. You plug in numbers that sometimes make sense, but don't account for the makeup of the rest of the team. THAT is the biggest determinant of playing time.

The Jones explanation is simple...he's a nut who was more trouble than he's worth.

If someone is unplayable, he's not gonna play.

Parks wasn't unplayable. His minutes were reduced because the talent around him became better. But he wasn't unplayable.

The strength coach was brutally honest:

Sam Onu
“He’s got a long ways to go. He’s got the physical qualities, but a long way to go from a development standpoint. I’m very transparent with him on this – it’s just a longer learning curve for him. He had his best day (recently), so for him, it’s what can he do to get better every day.”


People with "a long way to go" aren't going to be pressed into action. Again, he literally came in with the two walk ons in the 2nd exhibition.
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(03-31-2022 03:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Can we just be honest... Sam was a throw in to get Camden. Both got on campus and neither were worth playing and now both are leaving.

This really is a simply matter.

Thank you.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 03:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:53 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Well one would probably play into the other. Who that 5 star that Pastner got that went nuts ? Forget his name

Jelan Kendrick, I believe
Memphis to Old Miss to UNLV

Yes that’s him. Never amounted to anything. Jones wasn’t as highly touted but he has been a waste as well imo
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(03-31-2022 03:29 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:53 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Well one would probably play into the other. Who that 5 star that Pastner got that went nuts ? Forget his name

Jelan Kendrick, I believe
Memphis to Old Miss to UNLV

Yes that’s him. Never amounted to anything. Jones wasn’t as highly touted but he has been a waste as well imo

Nice way to bash players *******.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:08 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Think Penny mishandled this kid, but he gets the "medical mulligan". Don't blame him for leaving.

Gonna be very frustrating if this kid turns out to be the consistent sharpshooter we were missing all season long, and lights it up next season. So many games were lost this year for the want of one player who could actually shoot consistently from outside.

This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Quote:dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane.

This is the same lame reasoning you used to lie your way out of claiming that Warren was a scrub. He played 10 minutes in one game and over 24 minutes the rest of the season. Posters are mostly not dumb enough to fall for it. Duren played 31 minutes against Tennessee Tech. Dandridge played 3 minutes. Chandler played 5 minutes.

Dandridge committed a foul every 5.8 minutes AND didn't play more than 20 minutes in a single game. Williams committed a foul every 8.7 minutes. Both were (OBVIOUSLY) protected from even more fouls by Duren.

You are clueless and won't admit when you are wrong. For fun, why did Jones play 17 minutes as a freshman for us, and 8 minutes as a junior for a mid major? Get out the tin foil hat.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:15 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  This reminds me of the guy in rec league who would have been a sure fire pro had his high school coach just played him more...

Coaches do not bench their starts and their studs. Their job depends on winning... If Camden could have been any sort of significant contributor this year he would have been playing. He was redshirted for a reason... That is not to say he will not be a contributor at any school during his career but just that he was not ready to this year.

^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Quote:dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane.

This is the same lame reasoning you used to lie your way out of claiming that Warren was a scrub. He played 10 minutes in one game and over 24 minutes the rest of the season. Posters are mostly not dumb enough to fall for it. Duren played 31 minutes against Tennessee Tech. Dandridge played 3 minutes. Chandler played 5 minutes.

Dandridge committed a foul every 5.8 minutes AND didn't play more than 20 minutes in a single game. Williams committed a foul every 8.7 minutes. Both were (OBVIOUSLY) protected from even more fouls by Duren.

You are clueless and won't admit when you are wrong. For fun, why did Jones play 17 minutes as a freshman for us, and 8 minutes as a junior for a mid major? Get out the tin foil hat.

Your brain is scattered.

You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant, THEN you add your editorial to it as a fact, or substitute your version of what someone wrote as their version.

So, most of the discussion is the other poster having to go back and repair the misleading attributed statement(s), try to filter through the semi-irrelevant non-sequiturs, and try to stay on the task at hand.

That being said, re: Sam.

Sam was a bum. Penny wasn't going to play a bum, no matter how thin the roster might have gotten.

He was a coach-described "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

Enough said.

In the second exhibition game everyone played at least 10 minutes...except three guys who only had 4 or less: Jacobs, Glennon, and Sam.

Enough said.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(03-31-2022 04:06 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 08:38 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  ^^^^^

All of this.

And Onu. If dude had a lick of skill, he would have been getting minutes.

Same for Wingett...message board loyalists talk themselves into how some dude who was getting low D1 offfers was going to be "THE exception" then a couple folks say he "looks legit" at the Finch then next thing you know, it points north for a bunch of folks here.

If he HAD been good enough, people find room for him.

Wingett just finished his 3rd year at SDSU and averaged 2.9 ppg and is hitting the portal.

This also goes back to when I say: "if so and so is playing 20 minutes a game...then we're in trouble..."

Wingett played 25 mpg in 2020 for a 22-10 SDSU team.

This year, with two more years under his belt, he played 6 minutes a game for SDSU. BUT, SDSU was 30-5 this year. Basically, a guy who plays 25 mpg and scores 8 ppg is the guy who becomes your 10th best player when you are a 30-5 team.

You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Quote:dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane.

This is the same lame reasoning you used to lie your way out of claiming that Warren was a scrub. He played 10 minutes in one game and over 24 minutes the rest of the season. Posters are mostly not dumb enough to fall for it. Duren played 31 minutes against Tennessee Tech. Dandridge played 3 minutes. Chandler played 5 minutes.

Dandridge committed a foul every 5.8 minutes AND didn't play more than 20 minutes in a single game. Williams committed a foul every 8.7 minutes. Both were (OBVIOUSLY) protected from even more fouls by Duren.

You are clueless and won't admit when you are wrong. For fun, why did Jones play 17 minutes as a freshman for us, and 8 minutes as a junior for a mid major? Get out the tin foil hat.

Your brain is scattered.

You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant, THEN you add your editorial to it as a fact, or substitute your version of what someone wrote as their version.

So, most of the discussion is the other poster having to go back and repair the misleading attributed statement(s), try to filter through the semi-irrelevant non-sequiturs, and try to stay on the task at hand.

That being said, re: Sam.

Sam was a bum. Penny wasn't going to play a bum, no matter how thin the roster might have gotten.

He was a coach-described "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

Enough said.

In the second exhibition game everyone played at least 10 minutes...except three guys who only had 4 or less: Jacobs, Glennon, and Sam.

Enough said.

Quote:You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant

WTF are you talking about again? You are the one making all kinds of stupid excuses about everything. I said everyone in Warren's peer group played at least 20 minutes per game and were 6th best or better in scoring for their new teams. He played 24 minutes and was 6th on the #11 team in the country.

You said he would play less minutes than Jayden and would be a scrub. Who was closer to being right?

Now you are bringing up stupidities about exhibition games that have ZERO to do with our roster without Duren. Without Duren, Sam would have been only behind Dandridge, and there is no way Williams or Chandler would have been able to guard the 5 for any sustained amount of time.

Sam only played 4 minutes in an exhibition game when we had lottery pick Duren, 26 year old Williams and junior Dandridge on the roster? Wow, what a shock. Do you think it was maybe because the decision had been made to redshirt him?

Here's one for you since you are such a genius. IF Duren isn't on the roster, do you think Dandridge would have played more or less than 17 combined minutes in the first 3 games?

Have a go at that Einstein. Bonus points for calling the #125 recruit in the country, a bum. What a loser.
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(04-01-2022 09:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 04:06 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 02:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  You are spot on, considering that Wingett and Camden were the 4th or 5th best options at their respective positions.

You are completely wrong when it comes to Sam. Before we signed Duren, Sam was the only other center on the roster, behind Dandridge; who wasn't great, and whose knees prevented him from playing much his first couple of years. Without Duren, Sam would have had between 8-12 minutes per game, easy. Maybe more.

Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Quote:dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane.

This is the same lame reasoning you used to lie your way out of claiming that Warren was a scrub. He played 10 minutes in one game and over 24 minutes the rest of the season. Posters are mostly not dumb enough to fall for it. Duren played 31 minutes against Tennessee Tech. Dandridge played 3 minutes. Chandler played 5 minutes.

Dandridge committed a foul every 5.8 minutes AND didn't play more than 20 minutes in a single game. Williams committed a foul every 8.7 minutes. Both were (OBVIOUSLY) protected from even more fouls by Duren.

You are clueless and won't admit when you are wrong. For fun, why did Jones play 17 minutes as a freshman for us, and 8 minutes as a junior for a mid major? Get out the tin foil hat.

Your brain is scattered.

You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant, THEN you add your editorial to it as a fact, or substitute your version of what someone wrote as their version.

So, most of the discussion is the other poster having to go back and repair the misleading attributed statement(s), try to filter through the semi-irrelevant non-sequiturs, and try to stay on the task at hand.

That being said, re: Sam.

Sam was a bum. Penny wasn't going to play a bum, no matter how thin the roster might have gotten.

He was a coach-described "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

Enough said.

In the second exhibition game everyone played at least 10 minutes...except three guys who only had 4 or less: Jacobs, Glennon, and Sam.

Enough said.

Quote:You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant

WTF are you talking about again? You are the one making all kinds of stupid excuses about everything. I said everyone in Warren's peer group played at least 20 minutes per game and were 6th best or better in scoring for their new teams. He played 24 minutes and was 6th on the #11 team in the country. Off topic: the discussion is Re: Sam

You said he would play less minutes than Jayden and would be a scrub. Who was closer to being right? Never said that. You are substituting your opinion as fact and attributing things to me I didn't actually say.

[s]Now you are bringing up stupidities about exhibition games that have ZERO to do with our roster without Duren. Without Duren, Sam would have been only behind Dandridge, and there is no way Williams or Chandler would have been able to guard the 5 for any sustained amount of time. [s/] No, I am simply talking about the dude who was redshirted and that if you can't help, it doesn't matter how thin a team is depth wise.

Sam only played 4 minutes in an exhibition game when we had lottery pick Duren, 26 year old Williams and junior Dandridge on the roster? Wow, what a shock. Do you think it was maybe because the decision had been made to redshirt him? No, it's because he was a bum. Camden redshirted as did J. Lawson and they played 10+ minutes each. Same came in with Glennon and Jacobs. Literally with the walkons.

Here's one for you since you are such a genius. IF Duren isn't on the roster, do you think Dandridge would have played more or less than 17 combined minutes in the first 3 games?

Have a go at that Einstein. Bonus points for calling the #125 recruit in the country, a bum. What a loser.

Sam's a bum. 6'11 centers who are "supposedly" 4* don't get redshirted unless they are...hmm...how can this be said and not attributed to me...maybe he was a "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

For some reason you really want to die on the Sam Onu hill. Good for you.

Your have your thoughts. I have mine. End of story. Any more of this, I'm sure, is mind numbingly boring to everyone else.
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RE: Sam Onu....BOH
(04-01-2022 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(04-01-2022 09:21 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 04:06 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 03:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Literally no way.

Memphis would have just played small ball, like SMU. PUt Chandler, Malco, and Deandre at the 5-ish. Minott would have gotten a lot more run.

Sam was no good. I know you don't want to budge because you're deep in on it, but dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane. He came in the same time as Jacobs and Glennon.

J. Lawson played 10. Camden played 12.

He was an absolute project. He didn't play his senior year of h.s.

Quote:dude played FOUR minutes in the exhibition game vs. Lane.

This is the same lame reasoning you used to lie your way out of claiming that Warren was a scrub. He played 10 minutes in one game and over 24 minutes the rest of the season. Posters are mostly not dumb enough to fall for it. Duren played 31 minutes against Tennessee Tech. Dandridge played 3 minutes. Chandler played 5 minutes.

Dandridge committed a foul every 5.8 minutes AND didn't play more than 20 minutes in a single game. Williams committed a foul every 8.7 minutes. Both were (OBVIOUSLY) protected from even more fouls by Duren.

You are clueless and won't admit when you are wrong. For fun, why did Jones play 17 minutes as a freshman for us, and 8 minutes as a junior for a mid major? Get out the tin foil hat.

Your brain is scattered.

You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant, THEN you add your editorial to it as a fact, or substitute your version of what someone wrote as their version.

So, most of the discussion is the other poster having to go back and repair the misleading attributed statement(s), try to filter through the semi-irrelevant non-sequiturs, and try to stay on the task at hand.

That being said, re: Sam.

Sam was a bum. Penny wasn't going to play a bum, no matter how thin the roster might have gotten.

He was a coach-described "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

Enough said.

In the second exhibition game everyone played at least 10 minutes...except three guys who only had 4 or less: Jacobs, Glennon, and Sam.

Enough said.

Quote:You jump all over the place, bring in information that is only slightly relevant

WTF are you talking about again? You are the one making all kinds of stupid excuses about everything. I said everyone in Warren's peer group played at least 20 minutes per game and were 6th best or better in scoring for their new teams. He played 24 minutes and was 6th on the #11 team in the country. Off topic: the discussion is Re: Sam

You said he would play less minutes than Jayden and would be a scrub. Who was closer to being right? Never said that. You are substituting your opinion as fact and attributing things to me I didn't actually say.

Now you are bringing up stupidities about exhibition games that have ZERO to do with our roster without Duren. Without Duren, Sam would have been only behind Dandridge, and there is no way Williams or Chandler would have been able to guard the 5 for any sustained amount of time.

Sam only played 4 minutes in an exhibition game when we had lottery pick Duren, 26 year old Williams and junior Dandridge on the roster? Wow, what a shock. Do you think it was maybe because the decision had been made to redshirt him?

Here's one for you since you are such a genius. IF Duren isn't on the roster, do you think Dandridge would have played more or less than 17 combined minutes in the first 3 games?

Have a go at that Einstein. Bonus points for calling the #125 recruit in the country, a bum. What a loser.

Sam's a bum. 6'11 centers who are "supposedly" 4* don't get redshirted unless they are...hmm...how can this be said and not attributed to me...maybe he's He was a a "project" with "a long way to go from a developmental standpoint."

For some reason you really want to die on the Sam Onu hill. Good for you.

Your have your thoughts. I have mine. End of story. Any more of this, I'm sure, is mind numbingly boring to everyone else.

Quote:Sybilblue#1 Wrote: Clearly, 97% of the time one can judge a basketball recruits "skill level" by the company of his suitors.

Like when Vanover was being recruited, he was getting bum offers. It's not as if he was being "overlooked." He was being evaluated and came up wanting.

Hansel is likely the same way. Clearly a curious prospect who is hard to overlook. That being said, no mid-major or high-major schools have seen to say, "Wow, dude can ball, let's offer."

Just like when Penny offered Zocko who was "under the radar". Well, he never got better and Penny essentially ignored him and now he's going to App State.

Sam the "bum's" offers...
Memphis
Kansas
Illinois
LSU
Texas A&M
Virginia Tech
Providence
Seton Hall
TCU

Quote:Sybilblue Wrote: Clearly, 97% of the time one can judge a basketball recruits "skill level" by the company of his suitors.

You typed this literally 5 minutes ago.

You should have quit a long time ago. You didn't used to be like this. It's very sad. Let me know when you want me to stop making fun of you.
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Looks like he's heading to Florida Gulf Coast.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-onu
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(04-25-2022 12:59 PM)TheJesBro Wrote:  Looks like he's heading to Florida Gulf Coast.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-onu

Yikes, good luck to the young man. At least be able to chill on the beach when he's not hooping at FGCU.
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(04-25-2022 01:14 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 12:59 PM)TheJesBro Wrote:  Looks like he's heading to Florida Gulf Coast.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-onu

Yikes, good luck to the young man. At least be able to chill on the beach when he's not hooping at FGCU.

Oh wow.
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(04-25-2022 12:59 PM)TheJesBro Wrote:  Looks like he's heading to Florida Gulf Coast.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-onu

I thought he was going to cali to be with his wifey?
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Note how the argument about whether he was a scrub or not completely fizzled out once we heard he was going to Florida Gulf Coast.. who??!! Are they even division 1? LOL
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(04-25-2022 03:00 PM)Indigo Wrote:  Note how the argument about whether he was a scrub or not completely fizzled out once we heard he was going to Florida Gulf Coast.. who??!! Are they even division 1? LOL

Yes D-1. ASUN conference. Liberty, N Alabama, Stetson, Lipscomb, N Florida, are a few other members.

FGCU is in Ft Meyers. Over 15,000 students. Pat Chambers is the new Head Coach.
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