(06-05-2022 08:42 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 08:31 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 10:39 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 10:09 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  What is up with Memphis not bringing in a single player in its freshman ?

Is recruiting momentum gone ?

Just weird to see a roster with so many openings and no commits.

What happened ?


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by choice.. penny said he has seen the error of his ways only old teams win in march

he has personally said they will not be building a team through the freshmen class, and their beat write like 4 different times going as early as last week has noted their are still standing on the stance of no freshmen in 2022

the remaining spots will be portal guys'

the mass transferring out and the lack of freshmen both seem to be choices made by penny and not a negative thing happening to penny

What an awful dumb philosophy from a not so great coach.

You need a mix of freshman & age/experience.

I think he’s too damn lazy to scout for diamond in the rough type guys and that 5 stars didn’t show interest this cycle, so he just said F it I’ll get the portal guys. But even then, they aren’t exactly slaying that

Penny is great at recruiting diamond in the rough types.

Don't you remember David Wingett? Lmao

Your point? Somebody wants to go to UC? STFU

Amazing that Cincy fans are questioning Penny's ability to get players. Two #1 classes in the last three years. Suck it.

a small basketball blog put out their too-early aac rankings... and a few superlatives

if im honest its kinda bad, and botched some info.. but hey an interesting read for those who care

https://heatcheckcbb.com/way-too-early-a...team-more/

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Interesting, yes, but I think some of his rankings are WAY off:

1. Houston
2. Memphis (1/3 of roster still TBD)
3. Cindy
4. SMU (??) (new HC)
5. Tulane (should probably be higher)
6. UCF
7. WSU
8. Temple (???)
9. USF
10 Tulsa
11. ECU

Starters:
Kao or Dandridge
DeAndre Williams
Johnathan Lawson (4 star redshirt freshman)
Elijah McCadden
Kendric Davis

Bench: Kao or Dandridge, Chandler Lawson, Lomax, Hardaway

I think all but J Lawson are seniors. Without any additions, that's still top 2-4 here, at least, and likely an NCAA team. Lunardi currently has us as an 11 seed. No other AAC teams but Houston are in.

Additions will only make it go higher.

(06-10-2022 11:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Starters:
Kao or Dandridge
DeAndre Williams
Johnathan Lawson (4 star redshirt freshman)
Elijah McCadden
Kendric Davis

Bench: Kao or Dandridge, Chandler Lawson, Lomax, Hardaway

I think all but J Lawson are seniors. Without any additions, that's still top 2-4 here, at least, and likely an NCAA team. Lunardi currently has us as an 11 seed. No other AAC teams but Houston are in.

Additions will only make it go higher.

ill be shocked if j. lawson starts over lomax and c lawson... j lawson was touted on potential not proven commodity skill... or low level mccadden who cant shoot on top of that

penny started underclass lomax and harris together over borderline 5stars...i dont he benches 5th year senior lomax for a freshmen with unrefined skills

right now it think its; just from the nature of how hardways has acted through is tenure

-- davis
-- lomax - if lomax is staying he was told some nice things- and penny has loyalty to him
-- hardway jr - he think his son is great shooter (played him among 5star, wont bench him among 3stars)
-- deandre
-- dandridge or kao- hard to decide, without knowledge of the medical severity

(06-11-2022 12:12 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 11:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Starters:
Kao or Dandridge
DeAndre Williams
Johnathan Lawson (4 star redshirt freshman)
Elijah McCadden
Kendric Davis

Bench: Kao or Dandridge, Chandler Lawson, Lomax, Hardaway

I think all but J Lawson are seniors. Without any additions, that's still top 2-4 here, at least, and likely an NCAA team. Lunardi currently has us as an 11 seed. No other AAC teams but Houston are in.

Additions will only make it go higher.

ill be shocked if j. lawson starts over lomax and c lawson... j lawson was touted on potential not proven commodity skill... or low level mccadden who cant shoot on top of that

penny started underclass lomax and harris together over borderline 5stars...i dont he benches 5th year senior lomax for a freshmen with unrefined skills

right now it think its; just from the nature of how hardways has acted through is tenure

-- davis
-- lomax - if lomax is staying he was told some nice things- and penny has loyalty to him
-- hardway jr - he think his son is great shooter (played him among 5star, wont bench him among 3stars)
-- deandre
-- dandridge or kao- hard to decide, without knowledge of the medical severity

Davis is a PG. Lomax can only play that one position. If Penny moved Davis to the 2 and started Lomax, that would be crazy

McCadden was the 6th man of the year. Hardaway is not starting over him. Penny won't bench Jayden, but he won't start him.

You still don't get it with Dandridge. Nobody knows how much his knees still affect him. At 4 years, he should be fine. A lot of fans have the impression he just doesn't give 100%. And he stays in foul trouble, disappears in a lot of games, and usually can't jump over his shoelaces. He even walks up the court at times, and asks to be taken out frequently. Most disappointing player from that class. He is a long way removed from that 4 star HS ranking.

Anyway, we're likely debating something that isn't close to the final roster. My point wasn't who will start. I couldn't care less.

My point was we have a decent team that can compete in this league (less UH), even if we don't add anybody. Davis and Williams are obviously 2 of the best players in the league.

(06-11-2022 08:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Davis is a PG. Lomax can only play that one position. If Penny moved Davis to the 2 and started Lomax, that would be crazy

McCadden was the 6th man of the year. Hardaway is not starting over him. Penny won't bench Jayden, but he won't start him.

You still don't get it with Dandridge. Nobody knows how much his knees still affect him. At 4 years, he should be fine. A lot of fans have the impression he just doesn't give 100%. And he stays in foul trouble, disappears in a lot of games, and usually can't jump over his shoelaces. He even walks up the court at times, and asks to be taken out frequently. Most disappointing player from that class. He is a long way removed from that 4 star HS ranking.

Anyway, we're likely debating something that isn't close to the final roster. My point wasn't who will start. I couldn't care less.

My point was we have a decent team that can compete in this league (less UH), even if we don't add anybody.

not sure why it would be crazy when penny has already put out a bunch of other unusual lineups
he's had lineup with 3bigs, played dandride and duren together, he's had heavy lomax and harris lineups together .. he's had heavy lineups with earl timberlake or quinones as pg... penny has made it clear he plays his lineups and doesn't put much weight into positional

also penny benching lomax for mccadden a low major player when he had a top 30 recruit and top 100 recruit benched for lomax (boogie and baugh) makes no sense
..aalo 6th man of the year at such a low league (on a bad team) is not a big selling point, at all.. (Especially adding his terrible shooting numbers)

it would be crazy for penny to preach about "only older teams win, im going with experience" and then benching the experience for j lawson...that makes no sense at all

also i dont thnk you understand pennys loyalty to his son, he has started games every year, he has gotten legit minutes on roster he had no business getting minutes... penny has said hardaway is one of the best shooters in the nation, penny a few months ago noted his son might transfer to a less stacked team to show he is a star (when he thought memphis would get another stacked roster) ..if penny told him to stay on roster, he thinks hardway jr can shine on memphis.. not picking how "You prefer" but "what penny will do" hardway jr has to be seen as a starter "as is"

also might as well start debating it, no one is left in the portal that would honestly usurp lomax or hardaway ...there are maybe 12 players of that caliber in the portal, there is only 1 with ties to memphis and according to the internet Memphis isnt anywhere close to a lock...6 have teams they are favored to go.. slim picking

i think we are looking at mcadden, kao type pickups as most likely (or we are going dior johnson from hs)

(06-11-2022 10:55 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 08:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Davis is a PG. Lomax can only play that one position. If Penny moved Davis to the 2 and started Lomax, that would be crazy

McCadden was the 6th man of the year. Hardaway is not starting over him. Penny won't bench Jayden, but he won't start him.

You still don't get it with Dandridge. Nobody knows how much his knees still affect him. At 4 years, he should be fine. A lot of fans have the impression he just doesn't give 100%. And he stays in foul trouble, disappears in a lot of games, and usually can't jump over his shoelaces. He even walks up the court at times, and asks to be taken out frequently. Most disappointing player from that class. He is a long way removed from that 4 star HS ranking.

Anyway, we're likely debating something that isn't close to the final roster. My point wasn't who will start. I couldn't care less.

My point was we have a decent team that can compete in this league (less UH), even if we don't add anybody.

not sure why it would be crazy when penny has already put out a bunch of other unusual lineups
he's had lineup with 3bigs, played dandride and duren together, he's had heavy lomax and harris lineups together .. he's had heavy lineups with earl timberlake or quinones as pg... penny has made it clear he plays his lineups and doesn't put much weight into positional

also penny benching lomax for mccadden a low major player when he had a top 30 recruit and top 100 recruit benched for lomax (boogie and baugh) makes no sense
..aalo 6th man of the year at such a low league (on a bad team) is not a big selling point, at all.. (Especially adding his terrible shooting numbers)

it would be crazy for penny to preach about "only older teams win, im going with experience" and then benching the experience for j lawson...that makes no sense at all

also i dont thnk you understand pennys loyalty to his son, he has started games every year, he has gotten legit minutes on roster he had no business getting minutes... penny has said hardaway is one of the best shooters in the nation, penny a few months ago noted his son might transfer to a less stacked team to show he is a star (when he thought memphis would get another stacked roster) ..if penny told him to stay on roster, he thinks hardway jr can shine on memphis.. not picking how "You prefer" but "what penny will do" hardway jr has to be seen as a starter "as is"

also might as well start debating it, no one is left in the portal that would honestly usurp lomax or hardaway ...there are maybe 12 players of that caliber in the portal, there is only 1 with ties to memphis and according to the internet Memphis isnt anywhere close to a lock...6 have teams they are favored to go.. slim picking

i think we are looking at mcadden, kao type pickups as most likely (or we are going dior johnson from hs)

Hey P, this is the last time I'm saying this. My point is we have a decent team without any more adds, although obviously we will have some more.

I don't give a crap who starts, especially since we will add other people. I simply laid out a theoretical lineup just to show who is on the roster.

You just like to argue to hear yourself talk.

Houston will be far far far and away the best team. Memphis probably has the most talent after them. But it will be wide open after Houston.

I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

Close, but Davis and Williams are better than their 3 top guys, and we still have 5 spots open to improve.

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

ive said i before.. if you think small ball is a legtimate way to win (6'8 at the 5, 6'6 at the 4) tulane has an extremely good team

Even beyond their top 3-
- their top 3 are all conference

but then have sion james who plays a galen robinson role for them (but replace speed with strength).. the super glue guys on O and D who started as a true freshmen, and true sophomore for them, and going into his 3rd year

(sometimes gets mentioned in niche draft circles like below lol)

but then added a notable Georgetown starter who was putting up 9per as essentially a redshirt freshmen


and a transfer who was a 4star in HS, tre williams (his 3years of college have been really poor) but he is really skilled at 6'6

im not sure i buy into them winning at a ncaa level being so small, but their roster looks good.. 1 legit center and id have jumped on board so fast.. they look great from 1 to 4

(06-11-2022 06:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

Close, but Davis and Williams are better than their 3 top guys, and we still have 5 spots open to improve.

depends... last year was jalen cooks 1st year getting real pt at all, and was 1st team all conference ..he got some deep bench covid minutes at lsu but was essentially a redshirt freshmen last year.. any kind of progression from him and it might be tulane.. but wont know till the season starts

forbes is a 2x all conference.... cross is a 1x all conference.. deandre is a 1x all conference.. all 3 have been in the league the same amount of years

(06-11-2022 06:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

Close, but Davis and Williams are better than their 3 top guys, and we still have 5 spots open to improve.

That’s fine, if you think that. I clearly take Davis over all 3 guys. But after that, I probably take Cook, Forbes, Williams, and then Cross.

But the drop off to your number 3 is substantial. And is nowhere near the 3rd player for Tulane (Cross).

(06-11-2022 06:16 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

ive said i before.. if you think small ball is a legtimate way to win (6'8 at the 5, 6'6 at the 4) tulane has an extremely goof team

Even beyond their top 3-
- their top 3 are all conference

but then have sion james who plays a galen robinson role for them (but replace speed with strength).. the super glue guys on O and D who started as a true freshmen, and true sophomore for them, and going into his 3rd year

(sometimes gets mentioned in niche draft circles like below lol)

but then added a notable Georgetown starter who was putting up 9per as essentially a redshirt freshmen


and a transfer who was a 4star in HS, tre williams (his 3years of college have been really poor) but he is really skilled at 6'6

im not sure i buy into them winning at a ncaa level being so small, but their roster looks good.. 1 legit center and id have jumped on board so fast.. they look great from 1 to 4

I’ll be pretty disappointed if Tulane isn’t in the tourney this year. Mainly because I don’t see any other team making it in this league.

(06-11-2022 07:55 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 06:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

Close, but Davis and Williams are better than their 3 top guys, and we still have 5 spots open to improve.

That’s fine, if you think that. I clearly take Davis over all 3 guys. But after that, I probably take Cook, Forbes, Williams, and then Cross.

But the drop off to your number 3 is substantial. And is nowhere near the 3rd player for Tulane (Cross).

Hopefully, we don't have our #3 guy yet. That's why the debate about Memphis is moot until we finish our roster.

But Davis is a lot better than anybody else, and I don't think Cook or Forbes is necessarily better than Williams. Plus, our bench is likely better, and we have 3 guys who can play center.

And we still have 5 open schollies. So let's re-visit this after Penny is done.

(06-11-2022 08:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 07:55 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 06:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 05:44 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  I actually think Tulane might have more talent on their roster than Memphis. Their Big 3 is really, really good.

Close, but Davis and Williams are better than their 3 top guys, and we still have 5 spots open to improve.

That’s fine, if you think that. I clearly take Davis over all 3 guys. But after that, I probably take Cook, Forbes, Williams, and then Cross.

But the drop off to your number 3 is substantial. And is nowhere near the 3rd player for Tulane (Cross).

Hopefully, we don't have our #3 guy yet. That's why the debate about Memphis is moot until we finish our roster.

I was just talking as things stand today. But definitely a fair point. Let’s see how y’all finish.

USF projected staters
Tchewa 7’0 returner started in Texas Tech
Walker 6’8. Returner started in Tennessee
Bryant 6’6 from South Carolina
Miguel 6’4 from Kansas State
Harris 5’9 from Houston

Gregory seems to do well getting talent from transfer portal now if he could only get wins.

Tulane actually did add size in the form of 6 foot 9 center Percy Daniels. He recommitted from seton hall and had offers from LSU & TCU and is coming to us.