(03-26-2022 03:20 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:00 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

I have seen a few posts like this and I ron’t get it. If Memphis was or is a B12 candidate, its due to their ability to draw fans and viewers. Both have been pretty good for Memphis and that is all that will matter.
However, it is cheating situations like this, along with NIL and power conference entitlement, which is driving me away from being a fan of college sports.

Why would you voluntarily add a program that isn't capable of success without cheating? Memphis isn't in the B12 discussion otherwise.

spoken like a program with nowhere to go...

Wow guess the NCAA was bored and needed to fill all big and bad again. This is BS at the highest level and should not hurt Memphis chance at the Big XII. Because Big XII just like everything else is about money and Memphis fits I think.

I read some accounts blaming Memphis for not knuckling under to the NCAA on the Wiseman mess. It is like blaming Ukraine for not capitulating to Russia after their invasion. Someone needs to stand up to the arbitrary, capricious, tyrannical, and vindictive decisions of the NCAA.

I am convinced the well publicized absurdity related to the NCAA ‘s issue with Wiseman helped bring about reform. Likewise, I hold slight hope the NCAA will be held accountable for their over the top reaction and spare other schools in the future if not Memphis.

I knew Memphis fans would become professional contortionists when this news dropped. It's comical and kind of sad.

(03-26-2022 10:49 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  NCAA are a bunch of evil monsters. Memphis came to them when they were recuiting Wiseman, and they said he was good to go. Then somebody got to them and they put the hammer on us. They have impeccable timing. Tell us we might be violating something right as the season started even though nothing changed from their first ruling five months earlier. They even said if Wiseman was ineligible they wouldn't hold it against us since they already ruled in our favor.

They're pieces of ****. When they said "he might be ineligible" we continued to play him because they didn't say he was ineligible. They were pissed because we played him because "He might be ineligible". What the F does that even mean?

Now they're going all the way back to 1985 to try and dig up dirt on us. It's so ridiculous that there's nothing to say. They already penalized Wiseman for 12 games for nothing. There was no charges! They said he was good to go, but they said "He might be ineligible". What does might mean?

They're mad because Memphis played him. Plain and simple.

Teams like Arizona and LSU to name a few had actual infractions and it's been crickets. F all of it.

You virtue signalers who do nothing to make yourselves better, riding the coattails of programs like ours can go F yourself too. We're not holding your sorry ass programs back. You're holding yourselves back.

You should be rooting for us right now. This is bull**** P5 oligarchy keeping programs like us and you down.

Do you think it's a coincidence this came out right as our season is over to keep us from getting recruits? Was it a coincidence they dropped the bomb on us with Wiseman the day the season started, five months after he was cleared by the same orginization that dropped the bomb on us?

Follow the money. Grow a brain.

Somehow, I overlooked this DOMINANT and magnificent post that clearly depicts the bottom line LYING horse$h1T that the NCAA Gestapo orchestrates to punish teams (mainly outside the Cartel since those MFs usually cheat with undisguised impunity and WALK). The NCAA tiptoes around those "untouchables" and drops a pallet of bricks on the non-Cartel schools.

AND.....the same NCAA SOB investigator is leading the IARP? GTFO out here with that "independent" BULLS HIT.

F that $h1t to the Supreme Court and back.

/ thread.

I would encourage anyone interested in this topic to read the U of M response (U of M Response to Amended Notice of Allegations). The conduct of the NCAA investigation/investigators described throughout the document should raise your blood pressure. The part that disturbed me most was the allegation that U of M destroyed evidence, so I went directly to that part first. The below excerpt deals with that one allegation:

During the investigation, the CCU only requested two devices from the UM: a laptop and desktop computer used by former men’s basketball assistant coach Mike Miller, who resigned before UM received the request. On June 4, 2020, the CCU requested that UM “preserve any and all devices assigned to, used by or accessed by Mike Miller during his employment at Memphis, including without limitation, all computer hard drives and mobile devices.” Between June 5 and 8, 2020, UM worked with its Information Technology (“IT”) Department to preserve Mr. Miller’s emails and obtain physical possession of his UM-issued devices. By June 10, 2020, UM obtained possession of both devices, and UM IT determined that the laptop computer would not boot correctly and produced an error message. UM did not format or remove information from either device or their hard drives, and the CCU presents no proof to the contrary. On June 17, 2020, UM notified the CCU that IT was unable to turn on the laptop. Because it would not boot, UM suggested that it be sent to a mutually agreed upon, neutral computer expert for a diagnosis. The CCU refused, writing it would only agree to its own diagnosis, imaging, and repair. On July 23, 2020, UM submitted a letter to the CCU outlining the concerns, including concerns related to confidentiality, personally identifiable student information required by state and federal law to be maintained as confidential, and concerns it had with the CCU taking physical possession of the computers, which would allow it complete and unfettered access to information on the devices that might not be relevant to the CCU’s investigation. An additional privacy concern was Mr. Miller’s and his spouse’s personal information unrelated to UM business, access to information protected by the attorney-client privilege and attorney work product, and state law violations of a state employee’s privacy rights. UM provided the CCU with an extensive list of NCAA cases demonstrating that other member institutions had been allowed to – and commended by the NCAA for – image their hard drives, take inventory of all documents on the hard drives, and respond to specific records requests from the NCAA, as opposed to being required to send full computer systems to the NCAA.

On August 7, 2020, the CCU provided legal interpretations of case law, statutes, and constitutional requirements opposing UM’s privacy concerns contending legal opinions supporting the CCU's argument about taking possession of the devices. UM disagreed with the CCU’s legal opinion, including its legitimacy, but on August 13, 2020, UM notified the CCU that it would comply with the CCU’s request to take possession, but UM maintained its objections to third party, unfettered access to the computers and their contents. On August 28, 2020, a representative of the CCU traveled to UM and physically picked up the two computers, which were in the same state as when UM received them on June 10, 2020. On September 23, 2020, without any logs, printouts, and minimal explanation of its diagnostic test evaluation methodology, the CCU stated that the Kroll cybersecurity team had determined that the laptop’s operating system was formatted on June 5, 2020. The CCU sent UM a list of computer questions for response by September 28, 2020. UM provided responses to all questions on September 28, 2020. The CCU conducted no further investigation or review related to Mr. Miller’s computers. The CCU’s general assertion that UM “failed to provide access to all electronic devices” is not supported by the evidence. The evidence shows that UM provided direct unfettered access to the laptop and desktop computer.

From what I have read, I support fighting the allegations in any way possible, even a Federal lawsuit. No school should have to put up with this type of behavior by an investigative body.

(03-26-2022 09:30 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

Very probably you are correct.

There probably has not been any serious consideration by Big 12 membership to add them anyway Memphis spends more on basketball than football ( example Liberty Bowl is a dump) and the big 12 doesn’t need any more basketball prowess which is tainted with yet another NCAA scandal

(03-27-2022 02:57 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 09:30 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

Very probably you are correct.

There probably has not been any serious consideration by Big 12 membership to add them anyway Memphis spends more on basketball than football ( example Liberty Bowl is a dump) and the big 12 doesn’t need any more basketball prowess which is tainted with yet another NCAA scandal

You clearly haven't been to the Liberty Bowl in the last decade.

(03-27-2022 03:02 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(03-27-2022 02:57 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 09:30 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

Very probably you are correct.

There probably has not been any serious consideration by Big 12 membership to add them anyway Memphis spends more on basketball than football ( example Liberty Bowl is a dump) and the big 12 doesn’t need any more basketball prowess which is tainted with yet another NCAA scandal

You clearly haven't been to the Liberty Bowl in the last decade.

And he clearly doesn't understand money. We spend WAY more on football than basketball.

(03-27-2022 11:07 AM)MickMack Wrote:  I knew Memphis fans would become professional contortionists when this news dropped. It's comical and kind of sad.

we've know since 2019...nothing new here but the UofMs official response.

(03-27-2022 04:19 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 11:15 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 09:36 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:25 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:14 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Lack of institutional control? I mean how dare they act like a P5 program.

Maybe they can lawyer up like UNC who ran fake class scams for 20 years and get the "Carolina Treatment"?

Whatever it was, they just need to claim that all students had the same dishonest opportunities as athletes so therefore the NCAA has no jurisdiction. The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools can then give them a slap on the wrist probation like they did for Kerliner. Easy-peasy.

the SACS is not involved in this.....they were involved in UNC because it was academic fraud and fraudulent classes

the NCAA gave a slap on the wrist because regular students were also allowed to cheat so it was not just athletes then the SACS gave a slap on the wrist because those accreditation organizations are scared to death to ever actually issue a penalty or revoke accreditation

but with Memphis it looks like so far there are no allegations of issues that involved academic coursework so SACS has nothing to do with this

I am actually a bit surprised it is so bad and goes right to Penny, but I suppose it was again his ego....he wanted the recruit and was willing to do stupid things to get him instead of moving on

Oh my God... more stupid ignorant (of the actual situation) opinions... Penny didn't "do stupid things to get [Wisman]."

he did though....and that was messing with him at all when he knew he was going to bring issues and going through the whole recruiting process for someone that had already brought him issues when he should have just walked away when the issues continued

he had issues for "recruiting" the kid in high school and paying "moving expenses" when he was a high school coach and he knew those issues were still on going and being contested in court

and when he came to Memphis he drug that issue right along with him when he should have made a clean break and been smart enough to not drag that past baggage with him to Memphis

he was accused of illegally recruiting the kid in high school and he knew that was still ongoing in court and yet he still lacked the intelligence to just move on after getting the job at Memphis and the people that hired him at Memphis were not smart enough to tell him to drop that kid and move on

Not my work (credit to Stammers), but true nun the less...

What do we know for sure?

- Wiseman's family got $12,500
- Penny was telling him to go anywhere but Memphis
- Wiseman was cleared 3 times
- Wiseman was never deemed ineligible
- Wiseman had a court order which was lawful and exposed the school to massive penalties if we disobeyed it

- Duke didn't cooperate with Corey Maggette (ineligible)
- Duke didn't cooperate with Lance Thomas (ineligible)
- Duke didn't cooperate with Zion (ineligible)
- UNC ran scam courses for decades (no penalty)
- The NCAA knew that Cam's dad got over 100k to build a church (changed the rule after that, no penalty)
- Kentucky didn't cooperate with Eric Bledsoe (no penalty)
- Kansas didn't deny accusations against Darrel Arthur but said they didn't know anything about it when it happened and declared the case closed
- Miami booster admits to paying 72 players and hiring prostitutes for them to the tune of hundreds of thousand of dollars (no penalty)

What we know for sure is Penny is sleazy. Most of us knew that 4 years ago.

(03-27-2022 06:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What we know for sure is Penny is sleazy. Most of us knew that 4 years ago.

Pitino, Cal, Tark, etc.

folks call em sleaze but they all got rings...

(03-27-2022 06:40 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  What we know for sure is Penny is sleazy. Most of us knew that 4 years ago.

If by sleazy you mean that he has helped numerous Memphis kids, athletes and non athletes alike and their families, is heavily involved in numerous charities, and donated to the School - well then we can agree.

If you are just popping off and piling on without any real knowledge of the situation and are just a Penny hater.....well... ok I get that as well. But if you have anything to back up your statement then please spell it out why Penny is a sleazy guy.

He’s sleazy. You know it. Hes also not been very smart about it. He’s been caught and you’ll suffer long term for the short term short cut. At least sleazy John Caliperi was smart enough to use World Wide Wes as a go between insulator and actually won meaningful games before he beat feet before the sherif showed up.

You guys seem to have a cultural problem in the donor class.

The Response to the Amended Notice of Allegations indicates Memphis took a contentious attitude. It cited court cases and laws and also difficulties with devices. From the NCAA's perspective, this amounts to not cooperating with an investigation.

The NCAA does not have investigators. It relies on schools to investigate themselves. Any hint of not cooperating even an attitude causes them to conclude no cooperation. Then, it drops the hammer.

(03-27-2022 08:06 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  The Response to the Amended Notice of Allegations indicates Memphis took a contentious attitude. It cited court cases and laws and also difficulties with devices. From the NCAA's perspective, this amounts to not cooperating with an investigation.

The NCAA does not have investigators. It relies on schools to investigate themselves. Any hint of not cooperating even an attitude causes them to conclude no cooperation. Then, it drops the hammer.

wtf? yes, it does...

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/crimin...sibilities

(03-27-2022 09:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:20 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:00 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

I have seen a few posts like this and I ron’t get it. If Memphis was or is a B12 candidate, its due to their ability to draw fans and viewers. Both have been pretty good for Memphis and that is all that will matter.
However, it is cheating situations like this, along with NIL and power conference entitlement, which is driving me away from being a fan of college sports.

Why would you voluntarily add a program that isn't capable of success without cheating? Memphis isn't in the B12 discussion otherwise.

spoken like a program with nowhere to go...

Maybe if we cheat like you do we'll have somewhere to go.

I stand by my Memphis brothers and sisters. It’s legal now with NiL so wipe past transgressions off

(03-27-2022 09:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-27-2022 09:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:20 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 03:00 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-26-2022 02:33 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Memphis probably not on big 12 list for expansion anymore.

I have seen a few posts like this and I ron’t get it. If Memphis was or is a B12 candidate, its due to their ability to draw fans and viewers. Both have been pretty good for Memphis and that is all that will matter.
However, it is cheating situations like this, along with NIL and power conference entitlement, which is driving me away from being a fan of college sports.

Why would you voluntarily add a program that isn't capable of success without cheating? Memphis isn't in the B12 discussion otherwise.

spoken like a program with nowhere to go...

Maybe if we cheat like you do we'll have somewhere to go.

correct. Pitino, Cal, Tark, Harrick, etc.

you want rings? cheat your butt off...If NCAA hoops was some paragon of virtue, Okay then, but it's not. It's as sleazy and slimy as the folks that win at it.