(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

CJ, as of this moment (if listed stats are to be believed) weighs in somewhere between 205-209#. Yet you think he needs to add 30# and play at 240 to make it as a pro? I don’t see that happening, nor do I see that as particularly helpful to his chances.

Not withstanding that a couple extra pounds of muscle wouldn’t help CJ, but 30#? Seriously? My guess those extra pounds would kill any mobility he has in the pocket, and undoubtedly slow his foot speed if he’s forced to scramble.

At this point I’m afraid CJ will make the pro cut, or not, based on his current physique.

If CJ makes an NFL team, even as a member of a practice squad, that’s not a bad place to start. There are plenty of out-of-work QBs who would like to cash that check.

Here’s to hoping we get to root for a second consecutive JMU QB getting an opportunity to play in the NFL. Those kinds of results speak for themselves when trying to recruit the next generation of JMU QBs.

(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

I can't see 30 quality pounds going on him when he still looks very lean after 6 years of a D1 strength & conditioning program and training table.

(03-29-2022 07:00 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

I can't see 30 quality pounds going on him when he still looks very lean after 6 years of a D1 strength & conditioning program and training table.

CJ was 215 at the start of last season, and was 220 at his pro day. Since the summer of 2017, which included a 18(?) month period where he didn't have to play a single game, he has only gained 10 pounds. If CJ is going to add 30 pounds, it's going to be from using his degree sitting in front of a computer screen all day, not from a NFL strength program.

(03-29-2022 07:00 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

I can't see 30 quality pounds going on him when he still looks very lean after 6 years of a D1 strength & conditioning program and training table.

Yeah this was my thinking too. Obviously the NFL is gonna have the best of the best in strength and conditioning, but he's coming from a D1 school with G5 level commitment to sports even when we were FCS. It's hard to imagine that jump can suddenly add that much good weight without getting in to banned substances.

(03-29-2022 09:18 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 07:00 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

I can't see 30 quality pounds going on him when he still looks very lean after 6 years of a D1 strength & conditioning program and training table.

Yeah this was my thinking too. Obviously the NFL is gonna have the best of the best in strength and conditioning, but he's coming from a D1 school with G5 level commitment to sports even when we were FCS. It's hard to imagine that jump can suddenly add that much good weight without getting in to banned substances.

But according to Wells they have milkshakes at the P5 level...so we're not at the highest level of nutrition.

(03-29-2022 09:34 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 09:18 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 07:00 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(03-28-2022 10:38 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  this is not a new story....nfl talks up a lot of guys that never end up getting drafted.

truly hope he does make it - would still be very surprised if he gets anything more than UDFA or practice squad to start out

the NFL would be able to put 30 pounds on him let's hope

I can't see 30 quality pounds going on him when he still looks very lean after 6 years of a D1 strength & conditioning program and training table.

Yeah this was my thinking too. Obviously the NFL is gonna have the best of the best in strength and conditioning, but he's coming from a D1 school with G5 level commitment to sports even when we were FCS. It's hard to imagine that jump can suddenly add that much good weight without getting in to banned substances.

But according to Wells they have milkshakes at the P5 level...so we're not at the highest level of nutrition.

Oh damn good point, and those NFL milkshakes are probably even more nutritious.

Holy shootstorm.... in my head he was 205 still - if he is 215, still gonna say he needs 15 more pounds (for a total of 25 lbs) - he will never be known as a mobile QB at this level...put away the knives - rootin for the guy!

(03-29-2022 06:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Holy shootstorm.... in my head he was 205 still - if he is 215, still gonna say he needs 15 more pounds (for a total of 25 lbs) - he will never be known as a mobile QB at this level...put away the knives - rootin for the guy!

I'm root'n like heck for Cole, but if the NFL couldn't find a home for Tebow how in the world could they find one for Cole. Saying that, I'm still a bit shocked that Ben has had the opportunity he's received. I strut like a peacock in heat anytime one of our own makes it.

We've had talent that should have made it who didn't as I was a huge believer in the abilities of Abdullah and firmly believe he should have made a roster somewhere. I don't understand the NFL logic.

For as many elite players that make it easy to identify, there are far more fringe players that just need the right coach/system/opportunity. Even some of the elite players took the long road to being discovered either by being drafted late (Tom Brady) or going through the WLAF/NFL Europe like James Harrison and Kurt Warner. That’s why I always pull for these start up leagues to succeed, there is talent out there just waiting for the right time.

(03-30-2022 03:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 06:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Holy shootstorm.... in my head he was 205 still - if he is 215, still gonna say he needs 15 more pounds (for a total of 25 lbs) - he will never be known as a mobile QB at this level...put away the knives - rootin for the guy!

I'm root'n like heck for Cole, but if the NFL couldn't find a home for Tebow how in the world could they find one for Cole. Saying that, I'm still a bit shocked that Ben has had the opportunity he's received. I strut like a peacock in heat anytime one of our own makes it.

We've had talent that should have made it who didn't as I was a huge believer in the abilities of Abdullah and firmly believe he should have made a roster somewhere. I don't understand the NFL logic.

Huh?

Yes, Tebow was ultimately a bust, but Tebow was also a first round draft pick by Denver (who traded up to pick Tebow), and Tebow signed for tens of millions of $$ (about $40 mil if my memory is correct). I’d hardly say that the NFL didn’t try to “find a home” for Tebow. CJ should be so lucky.

I’m with you as far as trying to understand NFL logic, but different strokes for different folks. The pro scouts don’t always get it right. See 6th round draft pick, and the 7th QB chosen in the 2000 draft as exhibit #1: The GOAT, Tom Brady.

(03-30-2022 03:07 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(03-29-2022 06:49 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Holy shootstorm.... in my head he was 205 still - if he is 215, still gonna say he needs 15 more pounds (for a total of 25 lbs) - he will never be known as a mobile QB at this level...put away the knives - rootin for the guy!

I'm root'n like heck for Cole, but if the NFL couldn't find a home for Tebow how in the world could they find one for Cole. Saying that, I'm still a bit shocked that Ben has had the opportunity he's received. I strut like a peacock in heat anytime one of our own makes it.

We've had talent that should have made it who didn't as I was a huge believer in the abilities of Abdullah and firmly believe he should have made a roster somewhere. I don't understand the NFL logic.

Yeah- I was with you on Khalid. Thought he'd get more of look. If I recall correctly though, he ran a slug time in the 40 on his Pro Day. I never considered him slow, but he was so effectively shifty that it was hard to notice. What a great back he was at JMU though.

For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Titans now in the mix

(03-30-2022 07:53 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Do you know who played football at Montclair State that was affiliated with JMU?

No I do not. Probably before my time as a Dukes fan, starting in 2006 when the older daughter was a freshman!!!

Brian

(04-21-2022 03:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 07:53 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Do you know who played football at Montclair State that was affiliated with JMU?

The Czar of the telestrator

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(04-19-2022 07:38 PM)James Madison Wrote:  

Titans now in the mix

The more teams interested, the more likely he gets drafted, as teams may not want to risk waiting to see if he's available as an UDFA. I'm still predicting he's not drafted, but a few more articles about other teams interested, and I might change my prediction.

(04-21-2022 03:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 07:53 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Do you know who played football at Montclair State that was affiliated with JMU?

I dont know about football, but Lou Campanelli, as well as the aforementioned Mike Fratello, are Montclair State alums

(04-23-2022 09:04 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(04-21-2022 03:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 07:53 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Do you know who played football at Montclair State that was affiliated with JMU?

I dont know about football, but Lou Campanelli, as well as the aforementioned Mike Fratello, are Montclair State alums

Mike Fratello played football at Montclair State. And, if I remember correctly, believe it or not, defensive line!

(04-24-2022 06:46 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 09:04 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(04-21-2022 03:09 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-30-2022 07:53 PM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  For the NFL it often seems to be all about the measurables. If you don't come up to what they think is needed you don't get a look. The two measurables that they can not measure are a players heart and drive. This is often more important than pure physical tools. Look at Sam Mills who played 12 years for the Panthers and Saints after 3 years in the USFL. Came out of Montclair State in NJ as a 5'-9" linebacker, UDFA, was cut by the Browns and Toronto of the CFL and landed in the USFL and was one of the toughest and smartest linebackers in the league when he played. At 5'-9" today he would never get a look. Just consider that when compared to his career and that he will be inducted in the HOF this year.. There are far too many players who could succeed at a high level in the NFL who never get a shot because they do not have the measurables. As a previous poster stated this is why the NFL needs a spring minor type league similar to the NBA G league to give some of these players a chance and a chance to develop. Never quite understood why the NFL never developed a small minor league system to develop players particularly today when injuries are so prevalent. I know they use college as their minor league but the difference between college and the NFL is a pretty step step. How many 1st round picks flame out every year?

There have been a few JMU players over the years who I thought deserved a look but never got the chance. Hopefully the move to FBS will help but there are boatloads of very high quality FCS players in the NFL.

Steps off soapbox.

Brian

Do you know who played football at Montclair State that was affiliated with JMU?

I dont know about football, but Lou Campanelli, as well as the aforementioned Mike Fratello, are Montclair State alums

Mike Fratello played football at Montclair State. And, if I remember correctly, believe it or not, defensive line!

1968 Football Roster

Choose a Player: Go
MIKE FRATELLO
POSITION Linebacker
HEIGHT 5-6
WEIGHT 160
CLASS Junior
HOMETOWN Maywood, NJ

https://montclairathletics.com/sports/fo...ello/14508