(03-19-2022 09:43 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:08 PM)mebehutchi Wrote:  There's local knowledge and then there are 13 year-olds driving very likely incapacitated adults around in poorly maintained vehicles which seems to be a far more proximate cause than choice of route.

And the incidence of those is probably higher on back roads than main drags.

Right. Because the 13 year old uses google maps for sure.

No, but if parents are letting underaged drivers drive, they are most likely sticking to back roads.

(03-19-2022 09:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 09:43 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:08 PM)mebehutchi Wrote:  There's local knowledge and then there are 13 year-olds driving very likely incapacitated adults around in poorly maintained vehicles which seems to be a far more proximate cause than choice of route.

And the incidence of those is probably higher on back roads than main drags.

Right. Because the 13 year old uses google maps for sure.

No, but if parents are letting underaged drivers drive, they are most likely sticking to back roads.

I guess. I mean you're letting your 13 year old drive you around in a car with a bad tire on it, but you have a filter that says just stick to the back roads? (which we earlier argued are less safe because of oilfield equipment). It seems so unsafe and random that making any rules of thumb about which roads 13 year old drivers in poorly maintained vehicles driving adults around might take is a stretch.

(03-19-2022 10:12 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 09:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 09:43 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:08 PM)mebehutchi Wrote:  There's local knowledge and then there are 13 year-olds driving very likely incapacitated adults around in poorly maintained vehicles which seems to be a far more proximate cause than choice of route.

And the incidence of those is probably higher on back roads than main drags.

Right. Because the 13 year old uses google maps for sure.

No, but if parents are letting underaged drivers drive, they are most likely sticking to back roads.

I guess. I mean you're letting your 13 year old drive you around in a car with a bad tire on it, but you have a filter that says just stick to the back roads? (which we earlier argued are less safe because of oilfield equipment). It seems so unsafe and random that making any rules of thumb about which roads 13 year old drivers in poorly maintained vehicles driving adults around might take is a stretch.

But it makes it less likely that the 13 year old will be caught by the cops, which is probably all that the adult was thinking about. Safety is obviously not a primary concern with any of the decisions that the adult makes in that situation.

As I say, I consult Google often on routes, but frequently take the one that is not their first choice. Reasons may be that one route is more scenic than the other, or that one route is less likely to become congested along the way.

(03-19-2022 10:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 10:12 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 09:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 09:43 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 03:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And the incidence of those is probably higher on back roads than main drags.

Right. Because the 13 year old uses google maps for sure.

No, but if parents are letting underaged drivers drive, they are most likely sticking to back roads.

I guess. I mean you're letting your 13 year old drive you around in a car with a bad tire on it, but you have a filter that says just stick to the back roads? (which we earlier argued are less safe because of oilfield equipment). It seems so unsafe and random that making any rules of thumb about which roads 13 year old drivers in poorly maintained vehicles driving adults around might take is a stretch.

But it makes it less likely that the 13 year old will be caught by the cops, which is probably all that the adult was thinking about. Safety is obviously not a primary concern with any of the decisions that the adult makes in that situation.

As I say, I consult Google often on routes, but frequently take the one that is not their first choice. Reasons may be that one route is more scenic than the other, or that one route is less likely to become congested along the way.

Bingo. avoiding the cops is the number one consideration in illegal driving.

I got my license at 14, just a few months older, presumably, than this 13yo. But at 16, giving driving lessons to my unlicensed 15yo girlfriend, we drove out to a lake for her to practice. Very curvy, very dark, very narrow, no center stripe, but also no cops, so it was ideal.

(03-19-2022 10:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But at 16, giving driving lessons to my unlicensed 15yo girlfriend, we drove out to a lake for her to practice.

Didn't Bob Seger write a song about that?

(03-20-2022 03:57 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 10:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But at 16, giving driving lessons to my unlicensed 15yo girlfriend, we drove out to a lake for her to practice.

Didn't Bob Seger write a song about that?

Night Moves?

No idea. I didn't see him there - it was very dark.

(03-20-2022 06:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-20-2022 03:57 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 10:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But at 16, giving driving lessons to my unlicensed 15yo girlfriend, we drove out to a lake for her to practice.

Didn't Bob Seger write a song about that?

Night Moves?
No idea. I didn't see him there - it was very dark.

The darker the better.

(03-20-2022 06:55 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-20-2022 06:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-20-2022 03:57 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 10:30 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  But at 16, giving driving lessons to my unlicensed 15yo girlfriend, we drove out to a lake for her to practice.

Didn't Bob Seger write a song about that?

Night Moves?
No idea. I didn't see him there - it was very dark.

The darker the better.

For driving lessons?

I sure took some chances there with my '57 Chevy. What a guy won't do for ... love?