(03-16-2022 02:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 02:25 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  More than Crimea/Donbass, I could see a major sticking point on negotiations being reparations.

While I agree Russia has a good case for reparations since Ukraines is at fault for the whole fiasco, there is simply no money in Ukraine to pay them. It’s all been stolen long ago. They are heavily in debt as well and are living almost solely on handouts. Russia may willing to accept commodities, but I seriously doubt Russia would bother.

Who do you think will get the $13.6Billion we are sending over there. Hush money from the Biden Regime.

Interesting piece suggesting an Austrian-style neutrality for Ukraine, where they would be free to join the EU but never NATO. Still as the author noted, some agreement will have to be reached re: Crimea and the Donbass as well as a security guarantee with more teeth than the 1994 Budapest Memorandum -

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...o-00017537

(03-16-2022 02:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  https://babylonbee.com/news/zelensky-mak...tart-wwiii

Zelensky Makes Common-Sense Plea To Start WWIII

"Please," said Zelensky through a translator. "This shouldn't be that hard. All I'm asking for is for an all-out war between the nuclear powers of Russia, America, and China. It's that easy! What's there to even think about here?"

Stupid equivalency. No fly zone over a 3rd country = WWIII

But the guitar bit was funny.

(03-16-2022 02:30 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 02:26 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 02:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Here is a longer version where Biden initially said Putin is not a war criminal, then came back and said yes when his handlers told him to.

They are idiots. Period

Clint Ehrlich
@ClintEhrlich
BREAKING: Biden says Putin is a "war criminal."

This rhetoric is a mistake by the United States.

We should be trying to create offramps in Ukraine - not boxing Putin into a corner by flirting with regime change in Russia.
2:11 PM · Mar 16, 2022·Twitter for Android

Ehhh. In real life its about as significant as calling Putin a "poo poo face". It doesnt matter. The leader of a nuclear power will never face any repurcussions from "war crimes" unless his government hands him over to the world court. I wouldnt hold my breath on that. That said---I dont see it helping anything either.

Quagmire - Week 4

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60746557

Interesting that Boris is echoing our senile clown's comments.

"...The prime minister says the Russian president "did not understand what he would encounter when he sent his troops in to Ukraine" and the "strength of their resistance".

He accused Putin of "committing a series of war crimes" on a level which has not been since in Europe "since the Third Reich, not since the Second World War"...."

Boris doesn't remember Yugoslavia where they same things happened, done by all 3 sides-Croatian, Bosnian and Serb.

(03-16-2022 02:51 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Interesting piece suggesting an Austrian-style neutrality for Ukraine, where they would be free to join the EU but never NATO. Still as the author noted, some agreement will have to be reached re: Crimea and the Donbass as well as a security guarantee with more teeth than the 1994 Budapest Memorandum -

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...o-00017537

The only security guarantee that would matter would be from either NATO or the US. A Russian guarantee means nothing.

Russia is a now a rogue nation. They are a pariah. Any "security guarantee" Ukraine receives from Russia is as worthless as the current "security guarantee" the Ukrainians got from that worthless rogue nation in 1994. Like Israel, the only way the Ukrainians can guarantee their own security is a nuclear weapon. So, sure---take the worthless Russian "security guarantee"----but crank up a nuclear program the moment the ink is signed. The Russians cant be trusted and should be treated accordingly.

(03-16-2022 05:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60746557

Interesting that Boris is echoing our senile clown's comments.

"...The prime minister says the Russian president "did not understand what he would encounter when he sent his troops in to Ukraine" and the "strength of their resistance".

He accused Putin of "committing a series of war crimes" on a level which has not been since in Europe "since the Third Reich, not since the Second World War"...."

Maybe because Putin is committing war crimes? Nothing will happen to Putin---but its pretty clear that the Russian plan is to target civilians as a way of breaking the nations will to resist. That has been considered a war crime since language banning the bombardment of civilians was adopted by the Geneva Conventions in 1977. Look, if it was a few injuries that happened to people living next to the air base or government building---ok---thats hard to call a war crime. When your bombing apartment complexes, hospitals, schools, and theater in downtown when no ground combat is even occurring inside these towns and no clear military importance is associated with these targets---then yeah---thats pretty obviously a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bom...%20objects

(03-16-2022 06:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 05:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60746557

Interesting that Boris is echoing our senile clown's comments.

"...The prime minister says the Russian president "did not understand what he would encounter when he sent his troops in to Ukraine" and the "strength of their resistance".

He accused Putin of "committing a series of war crimes" on a level which has not been since in Europe "since the Third Reich, not since the Second World War"...."

Maybe because Putin is committing war crimes? Nothing will happen to Putin---but its pretty clear that the Russian plan is to target civilians as a way of breaking the nations will to resist. That has been considered a war crime since language banning the bombardment of civilians was adopted by the Geneva Conventions in 1977. Look, if it was a few injuries that happened to people living next to the air base or government building---ok---thats hard to call a war crime. When your bombing apartment complexes, hospitals, schools, and theater in downtown when no ground combat is even occurring inside these towns and no clear military importance is associated with these targets---then yeah---thats pretty obviously a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bom...%20objects

You don't accuse someone of war crimes when you are trying to negotiate with him, even more so when you know you will do nothing about it.

Maybe you talk about "certain Russian forces" committing war crimes.

Its just non-productive. I'm beginning to think everyone in politics is a complete imbecile in human relations. None of them have taken a Dale Carnegie course.

(03-16-2022 07:53 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 06:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 05:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60746557

Interesting that Boris is echoing our senile clown's comments.

"...The prime minister says the Russian president "did not understand what he would encounter when he sent his troops in to Ukraine" and the "strength of their resistance".

He accused Putin of "committing a series of war crimes" on a level which has not been since in Europe "since the Third Reich, not since the Second World War"...."

Maybe because Putin is committing war crimes? Nothing will happen to Putin---but its pretty clear that the Russian plan is to target civilians as a way of breaking the nations will to resist. That has been considered a war crime since language banning the bombardment of civilians was adopted by the Geneva Conventions in 1977. Look, if it was a few injuries that happened to people living next to the air base or government building---ok---thats hard to call a war crime. When your bombing apartment complexes, hospitals, schools, and theater in downtown when no ground combat is even occurring inside these towns and no clear military importance is associated with these targets---then yeah---thats pretty obviously a war crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bom...%20objects

You don't accuse someone of war crimes when you are trying to negotiate with him, even more so when you know you will do nothing about it.

Maybe you talk about "certain Russian forces" committing war crimes.

Its just non-productive. I'm beginning to think everyone in politics is a complete imbecile in human relations. None of them have taken a Dale Carnegie course.

"We" (as in the United States) arent talking to Putin at all and have no role what so ever in the specific Ukraine negotiations to best of my knowledge. As far as insults---Hasnt Biden already called him a murderer and thug? So---the "insult" bridge was crossed long ago. Do I think its the best of ideas---probably not---but also dont think it much matters either way. Like much of what Putin says---its more for domestic political consumption than for any real substantive attempt to accomplish anything. At 37% approval rating, Biden---as always---is a crowd follower---not a leader. The moron is just playing to the polls like his handlers tell him to.

(03-16-2022 02:51 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Interesting piece suggesting an Austrian-style neutrality for Ukraine, where they would be free to join the EU but never NATO. Still as the author noted, some agreement will have to be reached re: Crimea and the Donbass as well as a security guarantee with more teeth than the 1994 Budapest Memorandum -

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...o-00017537

Ukraine is almost certainly for that if Americans will let them quit fighting. I don’t think we are going to let them off the hook that easy. They have more in store for themselves for whatever deal they’ve signed on for us.