it is projected that each SEC school will receive over $100 million dollars annually into their athletic department coffers. This projects to double what each school in the PAC 12, ACC and Big XII will receive. The Big X and SEC could conceivably bury those other three conferences.

https://nvgt.com/blog/power-5-conference...estimates/

D0 is quickly upon us.

(03-15-2022 04:29 PM)teebone Wrote:  it is projected that each SEC school will receive over $100 million dollars annually into their athletic department coffers. This projects to double what each school in the PAC 12, ACC and Big XII will receive. The Big X and SEC could conceivably bury those other three conferences.

https://nvgt.com/blog/power-5-conference...estimates/

They already have

As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

(03-16-2022 08:37 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

What's the motivation for a P5 conference to do that and if there is some motivation, why don't they do that now?

(03-16-2022 09:40 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 08:37 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

What's the motivation for a P5 conference to do that and if there is some motivation, why don't they do that now?

There was some discussion in the past couple of years about the SEC wanting to exclude G5 schools from out of conference and only play fellow P5s. Maybe it got voted down by the schools, but it was a topic of discussion here.

(03-16-2022 08:37 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

Exactly. The group 60 or 70 teams completely insulate themselves and break off and create their own division/league which effectively relegated the football program to DII.

(03-16-2022 12:41 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:22 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:14 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  As I've said 100 times... you STILL can only field 11 players on offense or defense. It dosen't matter how many zeros are in your bank account. As long as there are enough D-1a players to filter down to our level, we "CAN" be competitive.

Antiquated and nostalgic thinking

Yeah... I realize standard math is outdated...

The Math is if the boosters no longer need to support the program financially...

Where do you think that money goes...In players pockets via NIL...

I think 10s of Thousands of $s can convince a player to redshirt a year and wait his turn.

And the other side of the coin is how many players "FILTER UP"

You people are not understanding the math. If there are 10 teams, and a thousand d1a players, and each team can only have 100 players on it at a time, then it doesn't matter who makes what kind of money. Obviously, the best players will go to where the most money is. But that is already the case. The margin does not affect the math.

(03-16-2022 09:49 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 09:40 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 08:37 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 01:56 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I do not think the math part is the antiquated and nostalgic thinking, I believe it is thinking that we will actually be competing in the same league as the P5 schools that is antiquated and nostalgic. Unless, we get "called up" we are likely playing DII football (more or less) in 10 years...

So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

What's the motivation for a P5 conference to do that and if there is some motivation, why don't they do that now?

There was some discussion in the past couple of years about the SEC wanting to exclude G5 schools from out of conference and only play fellow P5s. Maybe it got voted down by the schools, but it was a topic of discussion here.

From what I remember, it was Nick Saban that floated that idea. He didn't see any value in playing non P5 programs. Then he went out and scheduled the worst non P5 programs he could find.

(03-16-2022 10:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  You people are not understanding the math. If there are 10 teams, and a thousand d1a players, and each team can only have 100 players on it at a time, then it doesn't matter who makes what kind of money. Obviously, the best players will go to where the most money is. But that is already the case. The margin does not affect the math.

Everyone gets "the math". However, it is like counting roster spots amongst the NBA teams and including the G League. Yes, talented players filter down to the G League but it is still the G League.

That is what we are looking at in the next 10 years. Right now we have an "NBA" with 129 division 1 football teams. So, yes players will filter down that allows teams like Memphis to be competitive.

In 10 years the P5 will likely split off, at least for football. Then you are left with the P5/NBA and the rest relegated to the G League. So, ya players will still filter down to teams like Memphis but we will no longer be competing with the NBA teams because NBA teams do not play G League teams and the P5 will not be playing the teams from the league they intentionally separated themselves from. This is why it is absolutely crucial that Memphis be in if there is a final round of expansion.

(03-17-2022 05:40 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 09:49 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 09:40 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 08:37 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 07:05 AM)ZachMan Wrote:  So what will be different than right now? They already have a huge advantage and as was said earlier you can still only have so many players on your roster. You can have a $300M practice facility only so many guys can go to a school, there is a huge advantage now and we still field competitive teams. Yes we need to be added if there is a next time but going from a huge advantage to huge advantage already exists

The difference is for now P5 schools occasionally play us. All it takes is a conference ruling that bans each P5 conference from playing non-P5 out-of-conference games, and suddenly it might as well be a different league.

What's the motivation for a P5 conference to do that and if there is some motivation, why don't they do that now?

There was some discussion in the past couple of years about the SEC wanting to exclude G5 schools from out of conference and only play fellow P5s. Maybe it got voted down by the schools, but it was a topic of discussion here.

From what I remember, it was Nick Saban that floated that idea. He didn't see any value in playing non P5 programs. Then he went out and scheduled the worst non P5 programs he could find.

Big Schools will always have buy games.

(03-17-2022 07:48 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 10:08 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  You people are not understanding the math. If there are 10 teams, and a thousand d1a players, and each team can only have 100 players on it at a time, then it doesn't matter who makes what kind of money. Obviously, the best players will go to where the most money is. But that is already the case. The margin does not affect the math.

Everyone gets "the math". However, it is like counting roster spots amongst the NBA teams and including the G League. Yes, talented players filter down to the G League but it is still the G League.

That is what we are looking at in the next 10 years. Right now we have an "NBA" with 129 division 1 football teams. So, yes players will filter down that allows teams like Memphis to be competitive.

In 10 years the P5 will likely split off, at least for football. Then you are left with the P5/NBA and the rest relegated to the G League. So, ya players will still filter down to teams like Memphis but we will no longer be competing with the NBA teams because NBA teams do not play G League teams and the P5 will not be playing the teams from the league they intentionally separated themselves from. This is why it is absolutely crucial that Memphis be in if there is a final round of expansion.

Okay, the P5 "splitting off" is a totally different issue from "the SEC is gonna make 14.1 times more than us in 10 years, instead of the 8 times more they make now". Yes, that would be devastating, and we need to do everything we can to be on the right side of that.

My only point was, 14.1x, or 8x.... doesn't matter. A 3* linebacker is either gonna get offers from SEC schools, or they aren't. AND, I assume most player's attitudes are, I'm gonna go where I can actually PLAY, not sit on the bench for 4 years. As long as we keep a decent media (ESPN) package, and those players perceive they will be on TV on Saturdays, we should still be no less competitive than we are now.