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(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 03:33 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  No NCAA tourney. No NIT.

Instead we’re shipping you to Southern Utah to play in a tournament no one’s ever heard of.

And people say we don’t punish our men’s basketball players!

Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?

It's not disrespect. We are happy to be playing. Won 14 in a row and lost in the ship. Want to play. Doesn't matter where. This should be a positive. We could have not been asked to play anywhere or had all kinds of internal strife through the season. We had a great year and extra games are the reward.

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Doesn’t the same apply to Southern Utah. You’re reinforcing my comment.
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(03-14-2022 05:19 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  Doesn’t the same apply to Southern Utah. You’re reinforcing my comment.

These tournaments go where the crowd will be the largest. That’s how they get paid. Kent has never drawn a crowd for tournament games. Only the best of fans know the game is going to happen. This year has even been worse for attendance.
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(03-14-2022 05:19 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  Doesn’t the same apply to Southern Utah. You’re reinforcing my comment.

I looked up their crowds and they weren’t very good either (around 2000). So who knows
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(03-14-2022 05:53 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 05:19 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  Doesn’t the same apply to Southern Utah. You’re reinforcing my comment.

These tournaments go where the crowd will be the largest. That’s how they get paid. Kent has never drawn a crowd for tournament games. Only the best of fans know the game is going to happen. This year has even been worse for attendance.

The bracket buster folks loved our attendance and crowd participation.
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Who cares? I am happy we are playing, not feeling slighted because it's a road game. I just don't get it.
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(03-14-2022 06:31 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Who cares? I am happy we are playing, not feeling slighted because it's a road game. I just don't get it.

I don’t disagree. Calm down
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(03-14-2022 06:31 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Who cares? I am happy we are playing, not feeling slighted because it's a road game. I just don't get it.

I don’t disagree. Calm down

Well excuse me for wanting a home floor advantage.
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Can we change the name of this thread now?
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RE: No postseason for the Men
(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 03:33 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  No NCAA tourney. No NIT.

Instead we’re shipping you to Southern Utah to play in a tournament no one’s ever heard of.

And people say we don’t punish our men’s basketball players!

Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?
You would think since Youngstown made it, that would be a good pairing. Or even Detroit Mercy. I know all wins aren't created equal, but Kent State has the most wins of the teams listed, and the fewest losses. Yet all the way to Utah?
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RE: No postseason for the Men
(03-14-2022 07:52 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 03:33 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  No NCAA tourney. No NIT.

Instead we’re shipping you to Southern Utah to play in a tournament no one’s ever heard of.

And people say we don’t punish our men’s basketball players!

Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?
You would think since Youngstown made it, that would be a good pairing. Or even Detroit Mercy. I know all wins aren't created equal, but Kent State has the most wins of the teams listed, and the fewest losses. Yet all the way to Utah?

I don’t know we are ranked 148 and at most 140 teams made the tournaments. I know conference champions from the weak leagues are lower than 200 in a lot of cases but I don’t Think its all that odd we are on the road. After the ncaa and nit there is not a lot of logic in pairings. Or maybe i should say there are some non basketball reasons that enter in.
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(03-14-2022 06:31 PM)dannyb73 Wrote:  Who cares? I am happy we are playing, not feeling slighted because it's a road game. I just don't get it.

I don’t disagree. Calm down

I am calm.
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According to the Wikipedia site there are still only 22 teams. Last time this happened they played the 1st round cutting the field to 11 and then gave out 5 byes for round two. Looks like something like that might happen again.
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(03-14-2022 08:48 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 07:52 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 03:33 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  No NCAA tourney. No NIT.

Instead we’re shipping you to Southern Utah to play in a tournament no one’s ever heard of.

And people say we don’t punish our men’s basketball players!

Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?
You would think since Youngstown made it, that would be a good pairing. Or even Detroit Mercy. I know all wins aren't created equal, but Kent State has the most wins of the teams listed, and the fewest losses. Yet all the way to Utah?

I don’t know we are ranked 148 and at most 140 teams made the tournaments. I know conference champions from the weak leagues are lower than 200 in a lot of cases but I don’t Think its all that odd we are on the road. After the ncaa and nit there is not a lot of logic in pairings. Or maybe i should say there are some non basketball reasons that enter in.
I understand all that, Burden. But it seems to me that those rating systems are flawed. And I assume they consider the entire season, but many teams improve tremendously over the season. And you, or someone, noted that after Saturday's loss to Akron, Kent State was rated 5th in the MAC. They finished second in the regular season, to Toledo by only one game, and second in the tournament. They were 2-0 against Toledo, 2-1 against Akron and Ohio and 1-1 against Buffalo. That's 7-3 against the other top teams! They beat every team in the conference at least once. I submit that any rating system that would have Kent State 5th is deeply flawed. I know lots of Akron people and they are all crowing that Akron proved they are far and away the best team in the MAC. That's nonsense. All they proved was that on that one night they excelled and Kent State played poorly. They deserve congratulations and the NCAA bid, but I maintain that, day in and day out, both Kent State and Toledo are better than Akron, if only slightly so.
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(03-15-2022 07:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 08:48 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 07:52 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 03:33 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  No NCAA tourney. No NIT.

Instead we’re shipping you to Southern Utah to play in a tournament no one’s ever heard of.

And people say we don’t punish our men’s basketball players!

Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?
You would think since Youngstown made it, that would be a good pairing. Or even Detroit Mercy. I know all wins aren't created equal, but Kent State has the most wins of the teams listed, and the fewest losses. Yet all the way to Utah?

I don’t know we are ranked 148 and at most 140 teams made the tournaments. I know conference champions from the weak leagues are lower than 200 in a lot of cases but I don’t Think its all that odd we are on the road. After the ncaa and nit there is not a lot of logic in pairings. Or maybe i should say there are some non basketball reasons that enter in.
I understand all that, Burden. But it seems to me that those rating systems are flawed. And I assume they consider the entire season, but many teams improve tremendously over the season. And you, or someone, noted that after Saturday's loss to Akron, Kent State was rated 5th in the MAC. They finished second in the regular season, to Toledo by only one game, and second in the tournament. They were 2-0 against Toledo, 2-1 against Akron and Ohio and 1-1 against Buffalo. That's 7-3 against the other top teams! They beat every team in the conference at least once. I submit that any rating system that would have Kent State 5th is deeply flawed. I know lots of Akron people and they are all crowing that Akron proved they are far and away the best team in the MAC. That's nonsense. All they proved was that on that one night they excelled and Kent State played poorly. They deserve congratulations and the NCAA bid, but I maintain that, day in and day out, both Kent State and Toledo are better than Akron, if only slightly so.

Still ranked 148 in a rating system that is well respected. I understand they finished the season very strong and we’re higher than that over the last 15-20 games but this tournament is scrambling to get enough teams and isn’t going to go into depth seeding teams. For all we know Southern Utah guaranteed a certain gate sale to land the home game. You know we would be lucky to draw much over 1000.
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(03-15-2022 07:40 AM)burden Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 07:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 08:48 PM)burden Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 07:52 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 04:24 PM)ksur1 Wrote:  Please explain to me why the Flashes have to travel to Southern Utah to play a team that didn’t get in their conference finals. Moreover, their conference is rated 23rd and in the country and the MAC is 18th. Why doesn’t the MAC ever get any respect?
You would think since Youngstown made it, that would be a good pairing. Or even Detroit Mercy. I know all wins aren't created equal, but Kent State has the most wins of the teams listed, and the fewest losses. Yet all the way to Utah?

I don’t know we are ranked 148 and at most 140 teams made the tournaments. I know conference champions from the weak leagues are lower than 200 in a lot of cases but I don’t Think its all that odd we are on the road. After the ncaa and nit there is not a lot of logic in pairings. Or maybe i should say there are some non basketball reasons that enter in.
I understand all that, Burden. But it seems to me that those rating systems are flawed. And I assume they consider the entire season, but many teams improve tremendously over the season. And you, or someone, noted that after Saturday's loss to Akron, Kent State was rated 5th in the MAC. They finished second in the regular season, to Toledo by only one game, and second in the tournament. They were 2-0 against Toledo, 2-1 against Akron and Ohio and 1-1 against Buffalo. That's 7-3 against the other top teams! They beat every team in the conference at least once. I submit that any rating system that would have Kent State 5th is deeply flawed. I know lots of Akron people and they are all crowing that Akron proved they are far and away the best team in the MAC. That's nonsense. All they proved was that on that one night they excelled and Kent State played poorly. They deserve congratulations and the NCAA bid, but I maintain that, day in and day out, both Kent State and Toledo are better than Akron, if only slightly so.

Still ranked 148 in a rating system that is well respected. I understand they finished the season very strong and we’re higher than that over the last 15-20 games but this tournament is scrambling to get enough teams and isn’t going to go into depth seeding teams. For all we know Southern Utah guaranteed a certain gate sale to land the home game. You know we would be lucky to draw much over 1000.

I agree that tournaments such as this one don't "seed" and that, yes, unfortunately the draw at the MACC would be embarrassingly low. So, I understand why the game is played at Utah. But I think playing Youngstown State at their place would draw well. Maybe I'm mistaken about that. I suppose the bottom line is just that I don't feel like this Kent State team is getting the respect they deserve. Obviously they don't deserve an NCAA or NIT bid, but the "vibe" I'm getting reading news articles and talking with people is that the Snapchat incident and the 20 point loss to Akron completely voided the prior two months. I reckon that is just the way it is in a conference in which most people seem to believe that nothing matters other than (a) qualifying for the conference tournament and (b) then winning that tournament.
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(03-15-2022 06:50 AM)burden Wrote:  According to the Wikipedia site there are still only 22 teams. Last time this happened they played the 1st round cutting the field to 11 and then gave out 5 byes for round two. Looks like something like that might happen again.

I believe there will be 5 games where the winner will automatically advance to the round of 8. Our game is one of those.
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(03-15-2022 08:59 AM)dannyb73 Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 06:50 AM)burden Wrote:  According to the Wikipedia site there are still only 22 teams. Last time this happened they played the 1st round cutting the field to 11 and then gave out 5 byes for round two. Looks like something like that might happen again.

I believe there will be 5 games where the winner will automatically advance to the round of 8. Our game is one of those.

Agree. I didn’t realize the winners of those games got the byes but the math is the same. Actually only 21 teams so Wofford got a bye in round 1.
Weird tournament 10 first round games, 3 second round and then finally the quarters. I guess they have to be creative.
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"creative", like using Wikipedia as their de facto website.
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OK, now I see why they were paired with SUU. It is reported in today's Record-Courier that Senderoff asked for a tough match-up.
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