Info From Equity in Athletics

Reporting Year: 07/01/2019 - 06/30/2020

Total Revenues by School

001.) Ohio State University - $225,542,037
002.) The University of Texas at Austin - $191,737,849
003.) The University of Alabama - $189,242,298
004.) University of Georgia - $179,295,904
005.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $168,244,643
006.) University of Notre Dame - $165,660,298
007.) Pennsylvania State University - $165,077,390
008.) Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College - $160,460,476
009.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $157,494,530
010.) Florida State University - $155,656,855

011.) Auburn University - $153,703,749
012.) University of Iowa - $145,095,544
013.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $143,954,553
014.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $143,807,835
015.) University of Louisville - $140,867,112
016.) University of Florida - $139,287,811
017.) University of Kentucky - $138,492,743
018.) University of Washington-Seattle - $137,573,939
019.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $137,094,212
020.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $136,807,801

021.) Stanford University - $133,622,625
022.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $128,185,606
023.) University of Southern California - $127,801,994
024.) University of Arkansas - $124,297,763
025.) Michigan State University - $122,557,963
026.) Clemson University - $122,263,031
027.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $120,485,698
028.) University of California-Los Angeles - $119,391,431
029.) University of Miami - $115,360,535
030.) Texas Christian University - $114,393,484

031.) Northwestern University - $112,499,222
032.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $110,225,936
033.) Duke University - $109,785,804
034.) University of Kansas - $108,187,369
035.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $107,842,595
036.) University of Virginia - $106,985,487
037.) Baylor University - $106,954,237
038.) University of California-Berkeley - $105,044,581
039.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $103,558,802
040.) University of Oregon - $103,001,518

041.) Purdue University - $102,223,618
042.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $101,855,268
043.) Mississippi State University - $101,215,909
044.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $100,202,460
045.) University of Pittsburgh - $99,763,877
046.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $98,885,805
047.) University of Mississippi - $98,653,906
048.) University of Colorado Boulder - $95,592,693
049.) University of Arizona - $93,492,302
050.) West Virginia University - $92,884,748

051.) University of Maryland-College Park - $92,286,469
052.) Oklahoma State University - $89,925,224
053.) University of Utah - $89,893,359
054.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $89,840,300
055.) Vanderbilt University - $88,849,982
056.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $88,656,510
057.) Boston College - $87,003,060
058.) Kansas State University - $86,441,107
059.) Syracuse University - $86,415,599
060.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $86,407,600

061.) Wake Forest University - $84,486,746
062.) Texas Tech University - $81,233,518
063.) Oregon State University - $77,034,669
064.) Iowa State University - $76,724,435
065.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $75,233,084
066.) University of Connecticut - $74,974,097
067.) Washington State University - $69,307,483
068.) Southern Methodist University - $68,812,414
069.) University of Houston - $67,382,982
070.) University of Memphis - $61,254,516

071.) Temple University - $60,719,852
072.) University of South Florida - $59,531,111
073.) University of Central Florida - $59,265,539
074.) San Diego State University - $58,258,230
075.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $56,855,712
076.) University of Cincinnati - $52,971,327
077.) East Carolina University - $51,956,014
078.) James Madison University - $48,062,926
079.) Liberty University - $47,756,081
080.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $47,258,693

081.) California State University-Fresno - $46,141,176
082.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $43,679,273
083.) Boise State University - $42,670,364
084.) Old Dominion University - $42,629,922
085.) Utah State University - $42,576,069
086.) Rice University - $42,045,636
087.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $40,111,805
088.) University of North Texas - $40,063,458
089.) University of Nevada-Reno - $39,721,948
090.) University of Wyoming - $39,309,846

091.) University of Tulsa - $38,078,189
092.) Miami University-Oxford - $37,814,572
093.) University of New Mexico - $37,576,010
094.) Florida International University - $37,417,126
095.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $35,725,431
096.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $34,983,604
097.) Middle Tennessee State University - $34,840,886
098.) Georgia State University - $34,058,909
099.) Texas State University - $33,701,882
100.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $33,655,641

101.) San Jose State University - $33,650,944
102.) Central Michigan University - $33,641,127
103.) Western Michigan University - $33,418,944
104.) University of Toledo - $32,291,730
105.) Florida Atlantic University - $32,271,156
106.) University of Akron - $32,255,907
107.) Tulane University of Louisiana - $31,836,150
108.) Marshall University - $31,803,256
109.) Coastal Carolina University - $30,828,813
110.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $29,952,607

111.) University at Buffalo - $29,803,704
112.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $29,468,952
113.) Georgia Southern University - $29,077,794
114.) Appalachian State University - $28,721,844
115.) Kent State University - $28,581,591
116.) Eastern Michigan University - $27,788,274
117.) New Mexico State University - $27,724,312
118.) Troy University - $27,459,346
119.) Ball State University - $27,333,913
120.) Western Kentucky University - $26,568,285

121.) Ohio University - $26,265,803
122.) Bowling Green State University - $25,090,217
123.) University of South Alabama - $23,928,332
124.) University of Southern Mississippi - $22,793,590
125.) Northern Illinois University - $21,844,482
126.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,717,648
127.) Arkansas State University - $20,880,003
128.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $15,990,935
129.) Air Force - Not Available
130.) Navy - Not Available

131.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - Not Available


American Athletic Conference

01.) Southern Methodist University - $68,812,414
02.) University of Houston - $67,382,982
03.) University of Memphis - $61,254,516
04.) Temple University - $60,719,852
05.) University of South Florida - $59,531,111
06.) University of Central Florida - $59,265,539
07.) University of Cincinnati - $52,971,327
08.) East Carolina University - $51,956,014
09.) University of Tulsa - $38,078,189
10.) Tulane University of Louisiana - $31,836,150
11.) Navy - Not Available


Atlantic Coast Conference

01.) Florida State University - $155,656,855
02.) University of Louisville - $140,867,112
03.) Clemson University - $122,263,031
04.) University of Miami - $115,360,535
05.) Duke University - $109,785,804
06.) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill - $107,842,595
07.) University of Virginia - $106,985,487
08.) University of Pittsburgh - $99,763,877
09.) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University - $98,885,805
10.) North Carolina State University at Raleigh - $88,656,510
11.) Boston College - $87,003,060
12.) Syracuse University - $86,415,599
13.) Georgia Institute of Technology - $86,407,600
14.) Wake Forest University - $84,486,746


Big Ten Conference

01.) Ohio State University - $225,542,037
02.) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - $168,244,643
03.) Pennsylvania State University - $165,077,390
04.) University of Iowa - $145,095,544
05.) University of Wisconsin-Madison - $143,954,553
06.) University of Nebraska-Lincoln - $128,185,606
07.) Michigan State University - $122,557,963
08.) Indiana University-Bloomington - $120,485,698
09.) Northwestern University - $112,499,222
10.) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities - $110,225,936
11.) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign - $103,558,802
12.) Purdue University - $102,223,618
13.) University of Maryland-College Park - $92,286,469
14.) Rutgers University-New Brunswick - $89,840,300


Big XII Conference

01.) The University of Texas at Austin - $191,737,849
02.) University of Oklahoma-Norman - $157,494,530
03.) Texas Christian University - $114,393,484
04.) University of Kansas - $108,187,369
05.) Baylor University - $106,954,237
06.) West Virginia University - $92,884,748
07.) Oklahoma State University - $89,925,224
08.) Kansas State University - $86,441,107
09.) Texas Tech University - $81,233,518
10.) Iowa State University - $76,724,435


Conference USA

01.) Rice University - $42,045,636
02.) University of North Texas - $40,063,458
03.) Florida International University - $37,417,126
04.) University of Alabama at Birmingham - $35,725,431
05.) University of North Carolina at Charlotte - $34,983,604
06.) Middle Tennessee State University - $34,840,886
07.) Florida Atlantic University - $32,271,156
08.) The University of Texas at San Antonio - $29,952,607
09.) The University of Texas at El Paso - $29,468,952
10.) Western Kentucky University - $26,568,285
11.) Louisiana Tech University - $21,717,648


Mid-American Conference

01.) Miami University-Oxford - $37,814,572
02.) Central Michigan University - $33,641,127
03.) Western Michigan University - $33,418,944
04.) University of Toledo - $32,291,730
05.) University of Akron - $32,255,907
06.) University at Buffalo - $29,803,704
07.) Kent State University - $28,581,591
08.) Eastern Michigan University - $27,788,274
09.) Ball State University - $27,333,913
10.) Ohio University - $26,265,803
11.) Bowling Green State University - $25,090,217
12.) Northern Illinois University - $21,844,482


Mountain West Conference

01.) San Diego State University - $58,258,230
02.) Colorado State University-Fort Collins - $56,855,712
03.) University of Nevada-Las Vegas - $47,258,693
04.) California State University-Fresno - $46,141,176
05.) University of Hawaii at Manoa - $43,679,273
06.) Boise State University - $42,670,364
07.) Utah State University - $42,576,069
08.) University of Nevada-Reno - $39,721,948
09.) University of Wyoming - $39,309,846
10.) University of New Mexico - $37,576,010
11.) San Jose State University - $33,650,944
12.) Air Force - Not Available


Pacific-12 Conference

01.) University of Washington-Seattle - $137,573,939
02.) Stanford University - $133,622,625
03.) University of Southern California - $127,801,994
04.) University of California-Los Angeles - $119,391,431
05.) University of California-Berkeley - $105,044,581
06.) University of Oregon - $103,001,518
07.) Arizona State University-Tempe - $101,855,268
08.) University of Colorado Boulder - $95,592,693
09.) University of Arizona - $93,492,302
10.) University of Utah - $89,893,359
11.) Oregon State University - $77,034,669
12.) Washington State University - $69,307,483


Southeastern Conference

01.) The University of Alabama - $189,242,298
02.) University of Georgia - $179,295,904
03.) Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College - $160,460,476
04.) Auburn University - $153,703,749
05.) Texas A & M University-College Station - $143,807,835
06.) University of Florida - $139,287,811
07.) University of Kentucky - $138,492,743
08.) University of South Carolina-Columbia - $137,094,212
09.) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville - $136,807,801
10.) University of Arkansas - $124,297,763
11.) Mississippi State University - $101,215,909
12.) University of Missouri-Columbia - $100,202,460
13.) University of Mississippi - $98,653,906
14.) Vanderbilt University - $88,849,982


Sun Belt Conference

01.) James Madison University - $48,062,926
02.) Old Dominion University - $42,629,922
03.) Georgia State University - $34,058,909
04.) Texas State University - $33,701,882
05.) University of Louisiana at Lafayette - $33,655,641
06.) Marshall University - $31,803,256
07.) Coastal Carolina University - $30,828,813
08.) Georgia Southern University - $29,077,794
09.) Appalachian State University - $28,721,844
10.) Troy University - $27,459,346
11.) University of South Alabama - $23,928,332
12.) University of Southern Mississippi - $22,793,590
13.) Arkansas State University - $20,880,003
14.) University of Louisiana at Monroe - $15,990,935


Independents

01.) University of Notre Dame - $165,660,298
02.) Brigham Young University-Provo - $75,233,084
03.) University of Connecticut - $74,974,097
04.) Liberty University - $47,756,081
05.) University of Massachusetts-Amherst - $40,111,805
06.) New Mexico State University - $27,724,312
07.) UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY - Not Available

If anyone is interested in a further breakdown.
https://www.arkansasfight.com/2022/2/26/...-2019-2020

Would someone clarify for me. Is this just football revenue, or total revenue just for football schools? The latter is is what is appears to be, but I’m not completely clear.

(02-26-2022 07:53 PM)Todor Wrote:  Would someone clarify for me. Is this just football revenue, or total revenue just for football schools? The latter is is what is appears to be, but I’m not completely clear.

According to Porcine's link, it's total.

I propose a top 40 tier. Why 40? So my Illini are included, duh!

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

Round Robin in football, double round robin in basketball.

(02-26-2022 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I propose a top 40 tier. Why 40? So my Illini are included, duh!

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

Round Robin in football, double round robin in basketball.

Gamenole would be thrilled.

(02-26-2022 08:54 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I propose a top 40 tier. Why 40? So my Illini are included, duh!

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

Round Robin in football, double round robin in basketball.

Gamenole would be thrilled.

NOOOOOO! Lol that would be just my luck, BOTH of my schools trapped in the ACC with UVA, UNC & Duke.

A breakaway of the top 60 leaves only one or two teams out that I would even notice.
Three conferences of twenty, or four of 16, should do the trick.

Basketball is trickier. There are worthy basketball schools not included. You could invite individual basketball schools and disperse them among the conferences by region or have additional non-football conferences. Two conferences based on each coast for the Gonzagas and Villanovas of the world, for example.

(02-26-2022 10:03 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 08:54 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I propose a top 40 tier. Why 40? So my Illini are included, duh!

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

Round Robin in football, double round robin in basketball.

Gamenole would be thrilled.

NOOOOOO! Lol that would be just my luck, BOTH of my schools trapped in the ACC with UVA, UNC & Duke.

Neither UGA nor Florida would go for that either.

FWIW, I always wonder about the "Equity" data because apparently it includes student fees and transfers as 'revenue'. I like seeing that broken out.

For example, looking at FSU's data, the "Equity" database says FSU had $155m in revenues and expenses that year. The books balanced perfectly, revenues equaled expenses.

But, this article says that FSU actually had $129m in operating revenues, leaving it with a $26m operating deficit. I find that information more enlightening.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports...283842001/

I don’t completely buy the numbers. No way in hell does SMU, USF. and Temple garner more revenue from Cincinnati with half the number of people in attendance for football and basketball.

(02-26-2022 11:10 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 10:03 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 08:54 PM)Porcine Wrote:  

(02-26-2022 08:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I propose a top 40 tier. Why 40? So my Illini are included, duh!

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

Round Robin in football, double round robin in basketball.

Gamenole would be thrilled.

NOOOOOO! Lol that would be just my luck, BOTH of my schools trapped in the ACC with UVA, UNC & Duke.

Neither UGA nor Florida would go for that either.

Take Two:

Big 10: Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
ACC: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Miami, Notre Dame
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Florida State, LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Pac 10: Stanford, USC, UCLA, California, Washington, Oregon, Kansas, Nebraska, TCU, Baylor (Sorry, someone's got to be stuck with them).

The ACC is more "Northern" (with the exception of Miami who is stuck with them) while the SEC is truly South with Arkansas the furthest North. The ACC now gets UNC, Duke, UK, and Lville in men's basketball.

I know someone's always not going to be happy in a 4x10 alignment. The SEC can't have 16 teams like the real SEC does.

(02-27-2022 07:34 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  FWIW, I always wonder about the "Equity" data because apparently it includes student fees and transfers as 'revenue'. I like seeing that broken out.

For example, looking at FSU's data, the "Equity" database says FSU had $155m in revenues and expenses that year. The books balanced perfectly, revenues equaled expenses.

But, this article says that FSU actually had $129m in operating revenues, leaving it with a $26m operating deficit. I find that information more enlightening.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports...283842001/

(02-27-2022 09:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I don’t completely buy the numbers. No way in hell does SMU, USF. and Temple garner more revenue from Cincinnati with half the number of people in attendance for football and basketball.

If I remember correctly, schools are not allowed to report a deficit. So a lot of these are more likely expenses and money had to be moved to cover them in order to come out even. 129+26=155. This is where student fees and other subsidies go. Most categories for most schools have the same number for revenues and expenses.

screw sports now..If my longhorns can't be #1 on this list.. then why bother??!!

:(

#HookEm

Tier 2 (41-80)

Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Pittsburgh, Maryland, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Purdue
Virginia Tech, James Madison, Liberty, NC State, Wake Forest, East Carolina, Georgia Tech, Central Florida, South Florida, Vanderbilt
Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Memphis, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, Utah, BYU, Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, UNLV


Tier 3 (81-128)

Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami Ohio, Ohio U
Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan

Texas San Antonio, Texas State, Texas El Paso, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Wyoming
Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Nevada, Boise State, Utah State

Appalachian State, Charlotte, Massachusetts, Marshall, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Middle Tennessee

Rice, North Texas, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Tulane
Tulsa, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, Alabama Birmingham, South Alabama, Troy

Won't place the Armed Forces schools because I don't know where they fit revenue wise.

(02-27-2022 11:57 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Tier 2 (41-80)

Boston College, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, Pittsburgh, Maryland, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Purdue
Virginia Tech, James Madison, Liberty, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Central Florida, South Florida, Vanderbilt
Texas Tech, SMU, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri, Memphis, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Colorado State, Utah, BYU, Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State, UNLV


Tier 3 (81-128)

Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, Miami Ohio, Ohio U
Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan

Texas San Antonio, Texas State, Texas El Paso, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Wyoming
Hawaii, Fresno State, San Jose State, Nevada, Boise State, Utah State

Appalachian State, Charlotte, Massachusetts, Marshall, Old Dominion, Western Kentucky
Coastal Carolina, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Middle Tennessee

Rice, North Texas, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Tulane
Tulsa, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, Alabama Birmingham, South Alabama, Troy

Won't place the Armed Forces schools because I don't know where they fit revenue wise.

I guess East Carolina goes in the Virginia Tech conference?

(02-27-2022 09:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I don’t completely buy the numbers. No way in hell does SMU, USF. and Temple garner more revenue from Cincinnati with half the number of people in attendance for football and basketball.

"Lies, damn lies and statistics"

Bottom 10 with "P5" status:

1. Washington State: 69.3M
2. Iowa State: 76.7M
3. Oregon State: 77.0M
4. Texas Tech: 81.2M
5. Wake Forest: 84.5M
6. Georgia Tech: 86.4M
7. Syracuse: 86.4
8. Kansas State: 86.4
9. Boston College: 87.0
10. North Carolina State: 88.7

Whether these figures are completely on target in terms of what's being measured or conveyed, the institutions on this list are for the most part not that surprising.

WSU and OSU would certainly be on the chopping block if there was some kind of breakaway movement in the Pac-12. Same goes in the ACC for Wake, BC and Syracuse as private (but not elite) schools without the basketball and academic cachet of Duke.

IMO, the two most interesting cases on the Bottom 10 are GT and NC State.

Tech could be the lone Southern school in the ACC outside UNC, UVA and Duke that wouldn't go full throttle on an SEC invite. Might GT's administration and key alumni be fine competing in a second-tier league as opposed to entering the SEC rat race and facing a perpetual losing battle?

NC State, hmmmm ... Often wondered why the Wolfpack haven't fared better since Norm Sloan's and Jim Valvano's bookend national championships less than 10 years apart. if there is one "P5" school that might most benefit by joining a different conference and escaping the shadow of its neighbor(s) and rival(s), it could well be NC State.

(02-27-2022 03:13 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  IMO, the two most interesting cases on the Bottom 10 are GT and NC State.

Tech could be the lone Southern school in the ACC outside UNC, UVA and Duke that wouldn't go full throttle on an SEC invite. Might GT's administration and key alumni be fine competing in a second-tier league as opposed to entering the SEC rat race and facing a perpetual losing battle?

NC State, hmmmm ... Often wondered why the Wolfpack haven't fared better since Norm Sloan's and Jim Valvano's bookend national championships less than 10 years apart. if there is one "P5" school that might most benefit by joining a different conference and escaping the shadow of its neighbor(s) and rival(s), it could well be NC State.

I agree, and wonder if GT would want to come BACK to the SEC knowing that. I have no insight into the Yellowjacket fanbase, but I wonder if they might not prefer to go full-throttle on academics, trumpet the value of the CIC, and head for the B1G.

NC State I agree on as well, I think they could really blossom in the SEC away from UNC and making SEC money. From what I've gathered from some of our NC posters though, they may not be allowed to separate from UNC due to state politics & control. Hopefully that won't be an issue if things go that way and both schools are headed for greener pastures and big paydays.

(02-27-2022 11:33 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  screw sports now..If my longhorns can't be #1 on this list.. then why bother??!!

:(

#HookEm

Wait til the perpetual underchievers list comes out



#WaitTilNextYear
#TexasIsBack

(02-27-2022 04:05 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  From what I've gathered from some of our NC posters though, they may not be allowed to separate from UNC due to state politics & control.

Sounds a lot like the famed gentlemen's agreement that prevents Florida State and Clemson from joining the SEC per the wishes of Florida and South Carolina (but, oddly enough, agreeing gentlemen were nowhere to be found when Texas applied just last year).