(03-06-2023 08:16 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:20 AM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 11:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If I was a tv exec? I would offer the PAC 12 schools $40 M a year tv contract if they add Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UTSA and North Dakota State where they get $15 m a year. Then they could get bigger payouts years later if the ratings are better than the Big 12 schools that have no Oklahoma and Texas. Without Oklahoma and Texas? The Big 12 ratings would be terrible for all the schools, and they are being paid way too money without those two schools.

With all due respect,

Am sure you are not and will never be a TV executive. I hope you are not be in charge of any financial decisions other than your own. With all due respect, I would suggest that you get to know a good bankruptcy attorney if your personal financial decisions are like your proposal.

Big 12 will make a mistake and it would put Fox and ESPN if they add Colorado and Arizona who get less ratings than Boise State. Oregon, Washington, USC and UTah were the top rated PAC 12 schools. Big 12 top rated schools were Texas and Oklahoma. As it is, PAC 12 still have better ratings with their top schools than the Big 12 schools.

This is starting to not be funny anymore. Can someone do a welfare check on Davidst? By the looks of his posts he may be suffering from some sort of medical issue. He is pretending to be a television executive (and a very bad one at that )

I am looking at the ratings. Boise State is number 3 G5 school not tkaen behind Army and Navy in the ratings. They outperform P5 schools in large tv markets. Going for large markets for quantity is not the winning ticket to get viewers in. You fo after the quality of the programs out there. Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, UNR, Memphis, UTSA, North Texas, SMU, Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Navy, Army, Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo, Temple, La.-Lafayette, North Dakota State, etc that are strong programs need to be looked at by all 5 P5 conferences in their regions.

(03-06-2023 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 09:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “One of the hold-ups on the Pac-12’s media rights deal apparently relates to the involvement of Amazon and Apple as bidders, per multiple sources,” said Canzano. “One — or both — is in play for a piece of the Pac-12’s rights. The entities are relatively new in the space and I’m told the negotiation has moved slower than expected because of that.”

As for Wilner, he “expects a media deal with ESPN and either Apple or Amazon, and we wouldn’t rule out the possibility for both companies to be involved.”

Link
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-foot...nsion.html

That's fair.

MLS was behind their timeline and they went with Apple.

Sunday Ticket was delayed on the NFL's part because Apple and NFL went back and forth before they ultimately reached an impasse

A slower timeline to mean indicates heavy Apple involvement.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Apple/Ion deal with Ion playing the role Fox/FSI plays for MLS.

Nothing says big time college football more than having your games on Ion tv! BWAHHH LOL LMFAO ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL

ESPN isn't out, they just are not going to spend big bucks to get the PAC. They have bigger fish to fry in the near future. Over paying for the PAC makes no sense. It sounds like no matter what deal the Pac tries to cobble together, the $$ comes in somewhere between 20 and 30 mil per season in total. If that is what they can get, that is what they are worth. No one is low balling them.

(03-06-2023 10:08 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 09:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “One of the hold-ups on the Pac-12’s media rights deal apparently relates to the involvement of Amazon and Apple as bidders, per multiple sources,” said Canzano. “One — or both — is in play for a piece of the Pac-12’s rights. The entities are relatively new in the space and I’m told the negotiation has moved slower than expected because of that.”

As for Wilner, he “expects a media deal with ESPN and either Apple or Amazon, and we wouldn’t rule out the possibility for both companies to be involved.”

Link
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-foot...nsion.html

That's fair.

MLS was behind their timeline and they went with Apple.

Sunday Ticket was delayed on the NFL's part because Apple and NFL went back and forth before they ultimately reached an impasse

A slower timeline to mean indicates heavy Apple involvement.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Apple/Ion deal with Ion playing the role Fox/FSI plays for MLS.

Nothing says big time college football more than having your games on Ion tv! BWAHHH LOL LMFAO ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL

Don't be surprised if ION gets some major sports rights soon with the AT&T RSN's in bankruptcy

(03-06-2023 10:08 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 09:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “One of the hold-ups on the Pac-12’s media rights deal apparently relates to the involvement of Amazon and Apple as bidders, per multiple sources,” said Canzano. “One — or both — is in play for a piece of the Pac-12’s rights. The entities are relatively new in the space and I’m told the negotiation has moved slower than expected because of that.”

As for Wilner, he “expects a media deal with ESPN and either Apple or Amazon, and we wouldn’t rule out the possibility for both companies to be involved.”

Link
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-foot...nsion.html

That's fair.

MLS was behind their timeline and they went with Apple.

Sunday Ticket was delayed on the NFL's part because Apple and NFL went back and forth before they ultimately reached an impasse

A slower timeline to mean indicates heavy Apple involvement.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Apple/Ion deal with Ion playing the role Fox/FSI plays for MLS.

Nothing says big time college football more than having your games on Ion tv! BWAHHH LOL LMFAO ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL

It might be Ion TV or no TV. Ion TV is at least on your basic cable package and available wiith an antenna. (I don't count Apple+ as TV, because of very limited distribution. And PAC-12 athletics isn't going to power Apple+ into competition with Netflix and Disney+ and Amazon Prime.)

(03-06-2023 10:08 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  ESPN isn't out, they just are not going to spend big bucks to get the PAC. They have bigger fish to fry in the near future. Over paying for the PAC makes no sense. It sounds like no matter what deal the Pac tries to cobble together, the $$ comes in somewhere between 20 and 30 mil per season in total. If that is what they can get, that is what they are worth. No one is low balling them.

Well, it seems like everyone is low-balling them compared to expectations six months ago. (Of course this could all be wrong and Apple could be laying $400M on the table for everything, and ESPN and Amazon walk away rather than raise their bids).

It's hard to see how the math works for the PAC if everyone across the table from them is being budget-conscious, rather than "spending money to make money" in the 5-to-7 year term of the contract.

If Amazon is looking for a Friday Night primetime game, what kind of price tag are they thinking? They were willing to spend in the $300-350M range for the Big Ten afternoon or evening game, but that's a steady diet of Ohio State, Penn STate, USC, Michigan, Nebraska, Wisconsin. That fits well with their Thursday night NFL game to build Amazon as a sports destination.

Amazon Thursday Night NFL lost a chunk of their audience from 2021--40% according to Bloomberg. Is a PAC-12 Game of the Week even worth doing if you lose 40% of the audience?

Do you count on the game having a monopoly on Friday Nights? 2022 CCG got 6M viewers on Fox (Utah-USC). 2021 got 4M on ABC (Oregon-Utah). 2019 got almost 6M, Oregon-Utah. That's your high-water mark, but maybe you can count on 2M?

Maybe I should flip through Sports Media Watch and see what sort of audience ESPN can count on for random P5 vs P5 games on Thursday and Friday nights.

Another Amazon question--are these games going to be in primetime in the Eastern and Central time zones? Kicking off at 8:30 Eastern puts you at 5:30 Pacific. Are we asking PAC schools to do that more than once a year? Does it help or hurt your biggest "big event" games if they're on a national stage, but your ticket holders have to take the day off work to get there?

(03-04-2023 07:53 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 11:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  but with so many assets coming up for bid (NBA, college football playoffs, NCAA championships, NASCAR etc …) and Disney in cost-conscious mode, there was no chance it was going to break the bank for Pac-12 inventory.

If ESPN was actually out on the Pac deal, I'd be surprised if Thamel did not report it first.

With everyone talking about the new P2 landscape, the bolded statement is one of the arguments against reading into the Pac negotiations too much. Although part of it is the post-COVID economic landscape, a lot of it is also these networks saving up for other rights packages. Most reports involving ESPN mentioned them saving up for NBA rights specifically. The Pac has just been unfortunate and walked into a windstorm. If they would be able to wait until after at least the NBA, I think they could have gotten a better deal.

ESPN doesn’t have to be “all in” in the PAC’s tv deal. They can get a few of them for $20mm each aav in the Big12. That’s what ESPN/Thamel won’t report, because: 1). Technically there’s nothing to report at the moment and 2). They are instructed not to report it by corporate brass.

(03-04-2023 09:45 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  It's going to be really funny once this is all sorted out. Either John Canzano is forever discredited as a joke, or a zillion people owe him a profuse apology.

I think odds are on the side of Yormark coming out of this like a rose.

If not, then PAC just agreed to bigger money with low exposure on too many streaming options (and Ion’s of the world. LOL).

(03-06-2023 12:13 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 07:53 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 11:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  but with so many assets coming up for bid (NBA, college football playoffs, NCAA championships, NASCAR etc …) and Disney in cost-conscious mode, there was no chance it was going to break the bank for Pac-12 inventory.

If ESPN was actually out on the Pac deal, I'd be surprised if Thamel did not report it first.

With everyone talking about the new P2 landscape, the bolded statement is one of the arguments against reading into the Pac negotiations too much. Although part of it is the post-COVID economic landscape, a lot of it is also these networks saving up for other rights packages. Most reports involving ESPN mentioned them saving up for NBA rights specifically. The Pac has just been unfortunate and walked into a windstorm. If they would be able to wait until after at least the NBA, I think they could have gotten a better deal.

ESPN doesn’t have to be “all in” in the PAC’s tv deal. They can get a few of them for $20mm each aav in the Big12. That’s what ESPN/Thamel won’t report, because: 1). Technically there’s nothing to report at the moment and 2). They are instructed not to report it by corporate brass.

But that only works if FOX or some other entity is willing to pay the other 12 million or so cover the full pro-rata cost of these schools so the existing B12 members do not take a revenue hit.

(03-06-2023 10:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 08:16 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:20 AM)ICThawk Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 11:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If I was a tv exec? I would offer the PAC 12 schools $40 M a year tv contract if they add Air Force, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UTSA and North Dakota State where they get $15 m a year. Then they could get bigger payouts years later if the ratings are better than the Big 12 schools that have no Oklahoma and Texas. Without Oklahoma and Texas? The Big 12 ratings would be terrible for all the schools, and they are being paid way too money without those two schools.

With all due respect,

Am sure you are not and will never be a TV executive. I hope you are not be in charge of any financial decisions other than your own. With all due respect, I would suggest that you get to know a good bankruptcy attorney if your personal financial decisions are like your proposal.

Big 12 will make a mistake and it would put Fox and ESPN if they add Colorado and Arizona who get less ratings than Boise State. Oregon, Washington, USC and UTah were the top rated PAC 12 schools. Big 12 top rated schools were Texas and Oklahoma. As it is, PAC 12 still have better ratings with their top schools than the Big 12 schools.

This is starting to not be funny anymore. Can someone do a welfare check on Davidst? By the looks of his posts he may be suffering from some sort of medical issue. He is pretending to be a television executive (and a very bad one at that )

I am looking at the ratings. Boise State is number 3 G5 school not tkaen behind Army and Navy in the ratings. They outperform P5 schools in large tv markets. Going for large markets for quantity is not the winning ticket to get viewers in. You fo after the quality of the programs out there. Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, UNR, Memphis, UTSA, North Texas, SMU, Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina, Navy, Army, Buffalo, Ohio, Toledo, Temple, La.-Lafayette, North Dakota State, etc that are strong programs need to be looked at by all 5 P5 conferences in their regions.

Is NDSU supposed to jump from FCS straight to P5? Can they at least spend a couple years getting acclimated in CUSA or something? You are a harsh taskmaster, DavidSt.

(03-06-2023 10:19 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 10:08 AM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 10:00 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-05-2023 09:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  “One of the hold-ups on the Pac-12’s media rights deal apparently relates to the involvement of Amazon and Apple as bidders, per multiple sources,” said Canzano. “One — or both — is in play for a piece of the Pac-12’s rights. The entities are relatively new in the space and I’m told the negotiation has moved slower than expected because of that.”

As for Wilner, he “expects a media deal with ESPN and either Apple or Amazon, and we wouldn’t rule out the possibility for both companies to be involved.”

Link
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-foot...nsion.html

That's fair.

MLS was behind their timeline and they went with Apple.

Sunday Ticket was delayed on the NFL's part because Apple and NFL went back and forth before they ultimately reached an impasse

A slower timeline to mean indicates heavy Apple involvement.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an Apple/Ion deal with Ion playing the role Fox/FSI plays for MLS.

Nothing says big time college football more than having your games on Ion tv! BWAHHH LOL LMFAO ROFLMAO LOL LOL LOL

Don't be surprised if ION gets some major sports rights soon with the AT&T RSN's in bankruptcy

Just to be clear, are we considering the Pac to be "major sports" in this discussion?

(03-06-2023 12:18 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 09:45 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  It's going to be really funny once this is all sorted out. Either John Canzano is forever discredited as a joke, or a zillion people owe him a profuse apology.

I think odds are on the side of Yormark coming out of this like a rose.

If not, then PAC just agreed to bigger money with low exposure on too many streaming options (and Ion’s of the world. LOL).

Yormark comes out like a rose regardless. He signed a good media rights deal that looks even better in retrospect, he extricated the Conference from the OUT mess with extra $$ and happy media partners as a bonus, and he's poised to pounce if his competition falters. Stealing a few Pac schools would just be the cherry on top.

(03-06-2023 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:13 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 07:53 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 11:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  but with so many assets coming up for bid (NBA, college football playoffs, NCAA championships, NASCAR etc …) and Disney in cost-conscious mode, there was no chance it was going to break the bank for Pac-12 inventory.

If ESPN was actually out on the Pac deal, I'd be surprised if Thamel did not report it first.

With everyone talking about the new P2 landscape, the bolded statement is one of the arguments against reading into the Pac negotiations too much. Although part of it is the post-COVID economic landscape, a lot of it is also these networks saving up for other rights packages. Most reports involving ESPN mentioned them saving up for NBA rights specifically. The Pac has just been unfortunate and walked into a windstorm. If they would be able to wait until after at least the NBA, I think they could have gotten a better deal.

ESPN doesn’t have to be “all in” in the PAC’s tv deal. They can get a few of them for $20mm each aav in the Big12. That’s what ESPN/Thamel won’t report, because: 1). Technically there’s nothing to report at the moment and 2). They are instructed not to report it by corporate brass.

But that only works if FOX or some other entity is willing to pay the other 12 million or so cover the full pro-rata cost of these schools so the existing B12 members do not take a revenue hit.

It's not that big a hit, and you're securing your future in the next round of contracts (as much as anything can be secured in this landscape). $380M +$80M gives you $460M, divided by 16 is $28.75M per school per year. that's $3M a year less per school, but you're now the only P5 conference based west of the Mississippi.

Usually I say you don't get a cookie for eliminating another conference, but here I kinda think you do. 2030 - 31 aren't that far away, and the Big 12 wouldn't have to worry about the PAC competing for their timeslots and their money.

(03-06-2023 10:08 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  ESPN isn't out, they just are not going to spend big bucks to get the PAC. They have bigger fish to fry in the near future. Over paying for the PAC makes no sense. It sounds like no matter what deal the Pac tries to cobble together, the $$ comes in somewhere between 20 and 30 mil per season in total. If that is what they can get, that is what they are worth. No one is low balling them.

(03-06-2023 12:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:13 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 07:53 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 11:55 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  but with so many assets coming up for bid (NBA, college football playoffs, NCAA championships, NASCAR etc …) and Disney in cost-conscious mode, there was no chance it was going to break the bank for Pac-12 inventory.

If ESPN was actually out on the Pac deal, I'd be surprised if Thamel did not report it first.

With everyone talking about the new P2 landscape, the bolded statement is one of the arguments against reading into the Pac negotiations too much. Although part of it is the post-COVID economic landscape, a lot of it is also these networks saving up for other rights packages. Most reports involving ESPN mentioned them saving up for NBA rights specifically. The Pac has just been unfortunate and walked into a windstorm. If they would be able to wait until after at least the NBA, I think they could have gotten a better deal.

ESPN doesn’t have to be “all in” in the PAC’s tv deal. They can get a few of them for $20mm each aav in the Big12. That’s what ESPN/Thamel won’t report, because: 1). Technically there’s nothing to report at the moment and 2). They are instructed not to report it by corporate brass.

But that only works if FOX or some other entity is willing to pay the other 12 million or so cover the full pro-rata cost of these schools so the existing B12 members do not take a revenue hit.

Isn’t ESPN’s pro rata portion worth $20mm/yr each AAV?

(03-06-2023 12:39 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-06-2023 12:18 PM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(03-04-2023 09:45 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  It's going to be really funny once this is all sorted out. Either John Canzano is forever discredited as a joke, or a zillion people owe him a profuse apology.

I think odds are on the side of Yormark coming out of this like a rose.

If not, then PAC just agreed to bigger money with low exposure on too many streaming options (and Ion’s of the world. LOL).

Yormark comes out like a rose regardless. He signed a good media rights deal that looks even better in retrospect, he extricated the Conference from the OUT mess with extra $$ and happy media partners as a bonus, and he's poised to pounce if his competition falters. Stealing a few Pac schools would just be the cherry on top.

Thanks for the added truth, bw1995. All TRUTH you speak.