For B-12 consideration, FB investment is the key. FB drives the the decisions related to conference expansion. No amount of investment in other sports areas will substitute for FB program investment. Remember both SMU & USF have already announced major financial investments in their FB programs to position themselves as the leading expansion candidates. We have done nothing.

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:28 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:12 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  I think the investment is in the Memphis Rising Project, which will encompass many sports programs, NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

Dr. Rudd is so right, if the BIG12 is really looking at our investment, then a single football stadium upgrade or new OCS is not going to cut the mustard. However, Tiger Park, as proposed, is more conceptual and touches many sport programs. That just seems like much more of a student and athletic investment that what most are proposing here (OCS or LB upgrade).

Scroll up for my post on ONLY football stadium expenditures for the legacy Big XII schools. Most have spent $200 to $300 million on ONLY their football stadiums. That does not include whatever they have done for other sports.

If the university comes forward with some multisport initiative for $100 or $150 million, that is not going to move the needle for the Big XII. A $300 million plan with some of it contingent on membership and spread out over five to six years might work.

It is time to put up or shut up.

Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:28 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:12 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  I think the investment is in the Memphis Rising Project, which will encompass many sports programs, NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

Dr. Rudd is so right, if the BIG12 is really looking at our investment, then a single football stadium upgrade or new OCS is not going to cut the mustard. However, Tiger Park, as proposed, is more conceptual and touches many sport programs. That just seems like much more of a student and athletic investment that what most are proposing here (OCS or LB upgrade).

Scroll up for my post on ONLY football stadium expenditures for the legacy Big XII schools. Most have spent $200 to $300 million on ONLY their football stadiums. That does not include whatever they have done for other sports.

If the university comes forward with some multisport initiative for $100 or $150 million, that is not going to move the needle for the Big XII. A $300 million plan with some of it contingent on membership and spread out over five to six years might work.

It is time to put up or shut up.

Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

(02-19-2022 03:23 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 02:51 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 11:03 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 10:51 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-19-2022 09:18 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  If the state is going to help with a billion dollar+ stadium in Nashville to replace a 20 year old stadium, which you know they will, the university and Memphians need to demand state support for a new stadium on campus.

Unfortunately it would like be the same as all previous funding opportunities for a university owned facility in Memphis. The city gets involved to control & receive the funding & the university need become secondary. The amazing thing in this case is that the city has no need for a stadium - you don't build stadiums for 1-2 events per year. That's why the university must insist on taking ownership of any stadium initiative with the idea that the university could then accommodate any city needs. But if history is a guide the university needs & priority will be overridden by the city to the detriment of the university.

The mayor has offered the stadium to the university. I'm guessing what we will hear from the AD in the coming months is the direction the university will take. A firm has submitted recommendations from a study done back in November, but that has not been shared.

The problem with renovating an old stadium is its still an old stadium but with some new features. Recurring maintenance will still reflect an old stadium. An a renovation that would provide any significant improvements would be a nice down-payment on a new stadium with better accommodations & lower maintenance costs. Just the sort of thing Nashville is realizing now even though their current stadium is much newer than the LB. So the university will get saddled with the increasing upkeep expenditures to keep the LB viable. Probably not a good bargain for the university or for the city if either attempt to maintain the LB long term.

sez every stadium in the sec

SEC teams are at least happy with their conference home. Is Memphis?

(02-22-2022 10:15 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-21-2022 10:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  After the BIG12 told Boise to INCREASE the seats at their stadium ------I can just hear the excitement of the BIG12 when we tell them that we are going to DECREASE the amount of fans that can attend our games

Hopefully the school is not shortsighted enough to build an OCS-----especially one that would decrease our seats by 1/3---or any amount

Decreasing capacity & moving onto campus will increase revenue & gameday experience; and both are more important to the Big 12 than perceived stadium capacity.

Baylor reduced their capacity when they moved into their new stadium. Too much capacity is worse than not enough.

Bullseyes all around

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:28 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:12 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  I think the investment is in the Memphis Rising Project, which will encompass many sports programs, NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

Dr. Rudd is so right, if the BIG12 is really looking at our investment, then a single football stadium upgrade or new OCS is not going to cut the mustard. However, Tiger Park, as proposed, is more conceptual and touches many sport programs. That just seems like much more of a student and athletic investment that what most are proposing here (OCS or LB upgrade).

Scroll up for my post on ONLY football stadium expenditures for the legacy Big XII schools. Most have spent $200 to $300 million on ONLY their football stadiums. That does not include whatever they have done for other sports.

If the university comes forward with some multisport initiative for $100 or $150 million, that is not going to move the needle for the Big XII. A $300 million plan with some of it contingent on membership and spread out over five to six years might work.

It is time to put up or shut up.

Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

I'm afraid that I'm starting to feel this way too....

I love my Tigers, but it seems the deck is stacked against us.

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:28 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:12 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  I think the investment is in the Memphis Rising Project, which will encompass many sports programs, NOT JUST FOOTBALL.

Dr. Rudd is so right, if the BIG12 is really looking at our investment, then a single football stadium upgrade or new OCS is not going to cut the mustard. However, Tiger Park, as proposed, is more conceptual and touches many sport programs. That just seems like much more of a student and athletic investment that what most are proposing here (OCS or LB upgrade).

Scroll up for my post on ONLY football stadium expenditures for the legacy Big XII schools. Most have spent $200 to $300 million on ONLY their football stadiums. That does not include whatever they have done for other sports.

If the university comes forward with some multisport initiative for $100 or $150 million, that is not going to move the needle for the Big XII. A $300 million plan with some of it contingent on membership and spread out over five to six years might work.

It is time to put up or shut up.

Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:28 AM)Claw Wrote:  Scroll up for my post on ONLY football stadium expenditures for the legacy Big XII schools. Most have spent $200 to $300 million on ONLY their football stadiums. That does not include whatever they have done for other sports.

If the university comes forward with some multisport initiative for $100 or $150 million, that is not going to move the needle for the Big XII. A $300 million plan with some of it contingent on membership and spread out over five to six years might work.

It is time to put up or shut up.

Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 09:33 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Ok Claw. How much of that $300M are you willing to put up? I'm hoping it's most.
I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan. I'm more confident he'll lead us to the promised land vs some pie in the sky football stadium.

I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

I do think it will take a $300 million commitment, but I also think that could be made contingent on conference membership.

IF the Big XII invites us, we commit to building this facility within X years at a projected cost of $.

It has to be more concrete than just an idea though. I think that is part of what is going on now. How do you convince the Big XII you will follow through?

(02-24-2022 02:38 PM)Claw Wrote:  I do think it will take a $300 million commitment, but I also think that could be made contingent on conference membership.

IF the Big XII invites us, we commit to building this facility within X years at a projected cost of $.

It has to be more concrete than just an idea though. I think that is part of what is going on now. How do you convince the Big XII you will follow through?

Agree. Don't think it would even take $300M. Probably half that as an initial commitment (to satisfy the B12). But I do think it would take an announcement of a commitment based upon enough evident planning to be real. Can't imagine the B-12 would be willing to give us an invite without evidence of a commitment to a substantial investment in our program by the university & it's supporters with the clear indication it was also sustainable. .

(02-21-2022 10:15 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  After the BIG12 told Boise to INCREASE the seats at their stadium ------I can just hear the excitement of the BIG12 when we tell them that we are going to DECREASE the amount of fans that can attend our games

Hopefully the school is not shortsighted enough to build an OCS-----especially one that would decrease our seats by 1/3---or any amount

You pick points to argue that make no sense at all; zero and you beat them to death. "What about a 10,000 seat stadium and $1 million donation, blah blah blah" nonsense as an example.

45,000 Baylor
40,000 Houston
40,000 Cincinnati
47,000 Kansas (a dump)
45,000 UCF

Quote:If we build a mickey mouse 30/40k seat stadium ----then we will get 30/40 attend

10,000-30,000 seat stadiums, million dollar donations, committing horrible crimes against fans that want to be able to pay $5 to see one game a year. All part of whatever fantasy world you are living in. The fantasy world where you can wave a magic wand and text is copied and pasted.

A Mickey Mouse brand new stadium. Let that sink in. You want to pay $5 for tickets to see us play Tennessee, Ole Piss, MSU, or College Game Day AND you are ridiculing the idea of a 40,000 NEW stadium as Mickey Mouse. IF you can't see EVERY marquee game for $5 you cry like a little baby.

The program can't afford entitled cheapos like you. And you wonder why everyone clobbers you all the time.

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

And Memphis has been called an SEC town.

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 12:47 PM)Claw Wrote:  I don't have it.

I don't think we can raise it either. Keep in mind the numbers the existing institutions spent were pre-inflation.

We had several years of economic prosperity where we did not act. To get that kind of money now will be more difficult.

We may have to face the music and realize we aren't really a P5 program. Our fanbase simply doesn't generate enough revenue. It hurts to admit it, but as of today, it is the truth.

Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

uab has a new 45,000 seat stadium

(02-24-2022 04:18 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

uab has a new 45,000 seat stadium

They do not. The city has a new stadium that UAB uses. It is not on their campus.

UAB plays in the off-campus Protective Stadium a $200 million, 45,000-seat outdoor stadium owned and operated by the Birmingham-Jefferson Civic Center Authority.

(02-24-2022 03:34 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 01:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Of course we're not P5, we're not in a power conference. The schools you mentioned get an annual welfare check that allows for them to rebuild or renovate; unfortunately we do not and thus cannot afford.

if a new stadium is all it takes, then why isn't CSU or UAB in a power conference? As Dr. Rudd stated, it's more than just that! I'll continue to follow his lead and hopefully we get to the promised land. If not, then at least we're not in debt for a $300M stadium.

Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

And Memphis has been called an SEC town.

Maybe you should check ratings. Our university consistently carries Memphis. Your diversions don't change the facts. .

(02-24-2022 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 03:34 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Distorted premise....UAB & CSU don't have the TV market, fan support or the on the field success that Memphis has or the AAC from which to move up. But USF & SMU do have more of those positive attributes than Memphis aside from the winning - and they have made public announcements of major FB facilities investment. The B-12 made it clear the B-12 was looking for sustained financial commitment (we have only an IPF that took years & a loan to accomplish) to the FB program - something Cincinnati, UH & UCF have all done, and which SMU & USF have announced so that they will NOT be left behind.

Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

And Memphis has been called an SEC town.

Maybe you should check ratings. Our university consistently carries Memphis. Your diversions don't change the facts. .

I never said Memphis doesn't carry the city. But there are lots and lots of SEC alums in Memphis and you know it. Just like it was said that B'ham is Alabama country, so can be said that Memphis is VERY pro SEC. We've had their BB tournament here and bid on their baseball tournament multiple times and we are tied with them in Autozone Liberty Bowl. So, try and ignore all you wish, but my facts are correct.

I'd love a brand new stadium, but i know that it is not affordable without sticking the students and season ticket holders for the lion's share of the expense.

Saying again.... I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan and see where that lands us. He's practical and sensible.

(02-24-2022 05:10 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 03:34 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-24-2022 02:13 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  Birmingham tv market is bigger than Memphis

Not for UAB, it's a Bama town, UAB is in CUSA, UAB also has shown no investment in their FB program, even had it shut down by big brother cutting their funding- and they too play in a municipal stadium paying rent so the city can have a stadium for events they want (sound familiar?).

And Memphis has been called an SEC town.

Maybe you should check ratings. Our university consistently carries Memphis. Your diversions don't change the facts. .

I never said Memphis doesn't carry the city. But there are lots and lots of SEC alums in Memphis and you know it. Just like it was said that B'ham is Alabama country, so can be said that Memphis is VERY pro SEC. We've had their BB tournament here and bid on their baseball tournament multiple times and we are tied with them in Autozone Liberty Bowl. So, try and ignore all you wish, but my facts are correct.

I'd love a brand new stadium, but i know that it is not affordable without sticking the students and season ticket holders for the lion's share of the expense.

Saying again.... I'll follow Dr. Rudd's plan and see where that lands us. He's practical and sensible.

Media rating have value based on whether the product causes people to tune in.

The B-12 will see thru an attempt to stick students & gouge season ticket holders - they want proof of SUSTAINABLE investment in the FB program.

"Dr Rudd's plan"? I'll ask again what is that plan?

Does anyone know what the B12 has specifically communicated to the university? Is it about investing in the football program or does the size of the market and the size of the school trump all other factors?

(02-24-2022 05:29 PM)msu35 Wrote:  Does anyone know what the B12 has specifically communicated to the university? Is it about investing in the football program or does the size of the market and the size of the school trump all other factors?

Demonstrated sustainable investment in the FB program was our lacking quality in comparison to Cincy, UH & UCF.