1. Will the Big East add a 12th member at the bequest of FOX, and will it be Gonzaga or St. Louis or someone else?

2. Will the Big 12 go to 14 when Texas and Oklahoma depart?

3. Will the Mountain West be able to snag Gonzaga?

4. Will the A-10 go to 16, and who would it be?

5. What will the WCC do if the Zags stay or leave?

6. Where will Chicago State end up?

7. Will the OVC expand to 12?

8. Will the MEAC survive?

9. Who is America East adding?

10. Who will the NEC be forced to add?

11. Who will the MAAC add?

12. Are the Big South and A-SUN going back to 12?

I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

what's amazing is all these questions- and yet already so many questions have been answered.

1. I don’t think so. a few schools playing Gonzaga OOC annually should be sufficient.

2. Doing so would make 0 sense. Why dilute the brand equity when there is no clear cut team to add.

3. Not as long as 1-2 other WCC schools are halfway decent in basketball.

4. Probably not unless someone gets hot. The current line up splits nicely into 3 pods of 5 for scheduling

5. Nothing if they stay. If they leave, they probably invite Seattle.

6.if there’s still a MEAC, maybe them.

7.maybe not to 12 but they need to grow soon.

8. That all depends on Howard and NC Central—the 2 most likely to ge tanother invitation

9. Hard to say—not a lot of academically strong state schools in the area to pick from.

10. Some D2 schools David has on a spreadsheet somewhere

11. A pair of the stronger NEC schools that are willing to tank their football programs to get ahead in basketball.

12. The ASUN’s giant expansion pause is highly confounding

(02-17-2022 01:46 PM)46566 Wrote:  I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

Well, you could maybe say "Will CUSA stay at 9 or look to go to 12?"

I wouldn't want to assume we'd go to 12 (or 14 or 10).

(02-17-2022 02:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:46 PM)46566 Wrote:  I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

Well, you could maybe say "Will CUSA stay at 9 or look to go to 12?"

I wouldn't want to assume we'd go to 12 (or 14 or 10).

I personally think they have to go back to at least 12. C-USA was almost killed off being at 14. The only thing that seemingly saving the conference was middle Tennessee state not wanting to go to the MAC. I'd also think if they're going to just 10 why not bite the bullet and add the #10 now or in 2023 with everyone else. I think they already have 3 FCS call-ups why not add 1 more to simply reach 10. 4 call up schools isn't much worse then 3. I'm also on the assumption there is still a possibility that the PAC 12 expands to 14 or 16 and maybe (more likely) the Big 12 adding 2 more to stay at 14 after Oklahoma and Texas leave.

1. Will the Big East add a 12th member at the bequest of FOX, and will it be Gonzaga or St. Louis or someone else? No.

2. Will the Big 12 go to 14 when Texas and Oklahoma depart? No.

3. Will the Mountain West be able to snag Gonzaga? No.

4. Will the A-10 go to 16, and who would it be? No.

5. What will the WCC do if the Zags stay or leave? Stay? Nothing. Leave? Panic.

6. Where will Chicago State end up? MEAC.

7. Will the OVC expand to 12? They would if they could, but no.

8. Will the MEAC survive? Yes.

9. Who is America East adding? Perhaps no one.

10. Who will the NEC be forced to add? Perhaps no one.

11. Who will the MAAC add? Perhaps no one.

12. Are the Big South and A-SUN going back to 12? Big South likely, ASUN if they can manage it.

Like I've said- I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that WCC does nothing should Gonzaga stay. I don't think they want to go back to round robin 16 games with 9 schools. I think Gonzaga likes knowing that they don't have to play 2 of the dregs 2x. Like this year they have gotten in WCC play 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games (and SF is #32 so really close to making it 6 and 2.) With only 6 Q 3/4 games this year with 2 cancels that they never were going to make up. I think they like that and won't want to go back to have to play everyone 2x.

(02-17-2022 03:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 02:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:46 PM)46566 Wrote:  I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

Well, you could maybe say "Will CUSA stay at 9 or look to go to 12?"

I wouldn't want to assume we'd go to 12 (or 14 or 10).

I personally think they have to go back to at least 12. C-USA was almost killed off being at 14. The only thing that seemingly saving the conference was middle Tennessee state not wanting to go to the MAC. I'd also think if they're going to just 10 why not bite the bullet and add the #10 now or in 2023 with everyone else. I think they already have 3 FCS call-ups why not add 1 more to simply reach 10. 4 call up schools isn't much worse then 3. I'm also on the assumption there is still a possibility that the PAC 12 expands to 14 or 16 and maybe (more likely) the Big 12 adding 2 more to stay at 14 after Oklahoma and Texas leave.

We're bringing up 2 now.

I agree that 10 isn't worth it (if you're saying that).

I don't think the "safety" of 12 is worth the pay off of having to invite 3 more from among our options. As you said, what's the difference in another couple of FCS call-ups? So if we lose a couple of schools from 9, we call a couple more up. It's not like if you lost some at 12 you wouldn't call up more to go back to 12 again.

I'm pulling for 9 until my school gets a way out.

In any case, I think you do have a good point that "Will CUSA add more schools" is certainly a "realignment question yet to be answered" no matter what any of us might think or hope the answer will be to it.

(02-17-2022 03:45 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 02:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:46 PM)46566 Wrote:  I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

Well, you could maybe say "Will CUSA stay at 9 or look to go to 12?"

I wouldn't want to assume we'd go to 12 (or 14 or 10).

I personally think they have to go back to at least 12. C-USA was almost killed off being at 14. The only thing that seemingly saving the conference was middle Tennessee state not wanting to go to the MAC. I'd also think if they're going to just 10 why not bite the bullet and add the #10 now or in 2023 with everyone else. I think they already have 3 FCS call-ups why not add 1 more to simply reach 10. 4 call up schools isn't much worse then 3. I'm also on the assumption there is still a possibility that the PAC 12 expands to 14 or 16 and maybe (more likely) the Big 12 adding 2 more to stay at 14 after Oklahoma and Texas leave.

We're bring up 2 now.

I agree that 10 isn't worth it (if you're saying that).

I don't think the "safety" of 12 is worth the pay off of having to invite 3 more from among our options. As you said, what's the difference in another couple of FCS call-ups? So if we lose a couple of schools from 9, we call a couple more up. It's not like if you lost some at 12 you wouldn't call up more to go back to 12 again.

I'm pulling for 9 until my school gets a way out.

In any case, I think you do have a good point that "Will CUSA add more schools" is certainly a "realignment question yet to be answered" no matter what any of us might think or hope the answer will be to it.

10 makes a lot of sense IMO. Have it where each game time you can have all 10 teams in action playing conference games, which is a plus. Have extra game that you can do with TV which is big. And in basketball, get 18 games rather than 16 and have it where you can play all the same day.

Think very rare that a conference has stuck at 9 for long.

(02-17-2022 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:45 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:06 PM)46566 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 02:06 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:46 PM)46566 Wrote:  I would think #13 would be who are the C-USA going to invite to get back to 12. They have 3 spots open after everything happens. This in turn could affect the Asun or southland.

Well, you could maybe say "Will CUSA stay at 9 or look to go to 12?"

I wouldn't want to assume we'd go to 12 (or 14 or 10).

I personally think they have to go back to at least 12. C-USA was almost killed off being at 14. The only thing that seemingly saving the conference was middle Tennessee state not wanting to go to the MAC. I'd also think if they're going to just 10 why not bite the bullet and add the #10 now or in 2023 with everyone else. I think they already have 3 FCS call-ups why not add 1 more to simply reach 10. 4 call up schools isn't much worse then 3. I'm also on the assumption there is still a possibility that the PAC 12 expands to 14 or 16 and maybe (more likely) the Big 12 adding 2 more to stay at 14 after Oklahoma and Texas leave.

We're bring up 2 now.

I agree that 10 isn't worth it (if you're saying that).

I don't think the "safety" of 12 is worth the pay off of having to invite 3 more from among our options. As you said, what's the difference in another couple of FCS call-ups? So if we lose a couple of schools from 9, we call a couple more up. It's not like if you lost some at 12 you wouldn't call up more to go back to 12 again.

I'm pulling for 9 until my school gets a way out.

In any case, I think you do have a good point that "Will CUSA add more schools" is certainly a "realignment question yet to be answered" no matter what any of us might think or hope the answer will be to it.

10 makes a lot of sense IMO. Have it where each game time you can have all 10 teams in action playing conference games, which is a plus. Have extra game that you can do with TV which is big. And in basketball, get 18 games rather than 16 and have it where you can play all the same day.

Think very rare that a conference has stuck at 9 for long.

I think that's all over-ruled by round-robin for football and low denominator for dividing conference money.

But different strokes. . .they certainly aren't asking me.

(02-17-2022 01:41 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  1. Will the Big East add a 12th member at the bequest of FOX, and will it be Gonzaga or St. Louis or someone else? Yes to 12; my pick would be Saint Louis or Massachusetts

2. Will the Big 12 go to 14 when Texas and Oklahoma depart? Yes; Memphis and South Florida

3. Will the Mountain West be able to snag Gonzaga? No

4. Will the A-10 go to 16, and who would it be? Probably to 16; I'd watch for Detroit Mercy

5. What will the WCC do if the Zags stay or leave? Add Grand Canyon regardless and Seattle if the Zags leave

6. Where will Chicago State end up? OVC, MEAC, or NAIA - Chicagoland

7. Will the OVC expand to 12? Yes

8. Will the MEAC survive? No

9. Who is America East adding?
10. Who will the NEC be forced to add?
11. Who will the MAAC add?
12. Are the Big South and A-SUN going back to 12?
Questions 9-12 are up in the air

In red.

(02-17-2022 05:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:41 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  1. Will the Big East add a 12th member at the bequest of FOX, and will it be Gonzaga or St. Louis or someone else? Yes to 12; my pick would be Saint Louis or Massachusetts

2. Will the Big 12 go to 14 when Texas and Oklahoma depart? Yes; Memphis and South Florida

3. Will the Mountain West be able to snag Gonzaga? No

4. Will the A-10 go to 16, and who would it be? Probably to 16; I'd watch for Detroit Mercy

5. What will the WCC do if the Zags stay or leave? Add Grand Canyon regardless and Seattle if the Zags leave

6. Where will Chicago State end up? OVC, MEAC, or NAIA - Chicagoland

7. Will the OVC expand to 12? Yes

8. Will the MEAC survive? No

9. Who is America East adding?
10. Who will the NEC be forced to add?
11. Who will the MAAC add?
12. Are the Big South and A-SUN going back to 12?
Questions 9-12 are up in the air

In red.

How can Chicago State end up in the MEAC if it doesn't survive?

(02-17-2022 05:22 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 05:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:41 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  1. Will the Big East add a 12th member at the bequest of FOX, and will it be Gonzaga or St. Louis or someone else? Yes to 12; my pick would be Saint Louis or Massachusetts

2. Will the Big 12 go to 14 when Texas and Oklahoma depart? Yes; Memphis and South Florida

3. Will the Mountain West be able to snag Gonzaga? No

4. Will the A-10 go to 16, and who would it be? Probably to 16; I'd watch for Detroit Mercy

5. What will the WCC do if the Zags stay or leave? Add Grand Canyon regardless and Seattle if the Zags leave

6. Where will Chicago State end up? OVC, MEAC, or NAIA - Chicagoland

7. Will the OVC expand to 12? Yes

8. Will the MEAC survive? No

9. Who is America East adding?
10. Who will the NEC be forced to add?
11. Who will the MAAC add?
12. Are the Big South and A-SUN going back to 12?
Questions 9-12 are up in the air

In red.

How can Chicago State end up in the MEAC if it doesn't survive?

I intended for that to mean where Chicago St might end up. I don't think the MEAC survives but, if I'm wrong, that is a possibility.

(02-17-2022 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Like I've said- I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that WCC does nothing should Gonzaga stay. I don't think they want to go back to round robin 16 games with 9 schools. I think Gonzaga likes knowing that they don't have to play 2 of the dregs 2x. Like this year they have gotten in WCC play 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games (and SF is #32 so really close to making it 6 and 2.) With only 6 Q 3/4 games this year with 2 cancels that they never were going to make up. I think they like that and won't want to go back to have to play everyone 2x.

I agree with this - I'm probably in the 50/50 range about whether the WCC adds anyone else assuming that Gonzaga stays. It's a coin flip to me. Seattle really does match the institutional and geographic profile of the league, although their on-the-court metrics are lacking to say the least. I think Seattle's real value would be to give Gonzaga a conference game in that market every year, which may compensate for the fact that they're not really adding much to the competitiveness of the league. There's a world where I could see Gonzaga saying, "If we need to add someone and everyone is an interchangeable bottom feeder, we'll tolerate Seattle since that at least gives us a de facto home game when we visit them."

14 - does the CAA go to 14 after adding NC A&T

(02-17-2022 05:32 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Like I've said- I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that WCC does nothing should Gonzaga stay. I don't think they want to go back to round robin 16 games with 9 schools. I think Gonzaga likes knowing that they don't have to play 2 of the dregs 2x. Like this year they have gotten in WCC play 5 Q1 and 3 Q2 games (and SF is #32 so really close to making it 6 and 2.) With only 6 Q 3/4 games this year with 2 cancels that they never were going to make up. I think they like that and won't want to go back to have to play everyone 2x.

I agree with this - I'm probably in the 50/50 range about whether the WCC adds anyone else assuming that Gonzaga stays. It's a coin flip to me. Seattle really does match the institutional and geographic profile of the league, although their on-the-court metrics are lacking to say the least. I think Seattle's real value would be to give Gonzaga a conference game in that market every year, which may compensate for the fact that they're not really adding much to the competitiveness of the league. There's a world where I could see Gonzaga saying, "If we need to add someone and everyone is an interchangeable bottom feeder, we'll tolerate Seattle since that at least gives us a de facto home game when we visit them."

Seattle has improved quite a bit after their 1st coach taking them to D1 left. This year they are 20-6 and #116 in NET and KP right now. They are tied for 1st with New Mexico St in the WAC. So I think having them in the league and playing them 2x would be better for Gonzaga than playing teams like Pepperdine or Pacific a 2nd time.

Answer to #9 - Bryant to the America East, Football to Big South

#12 - New Haven to NEC

Another potential question is, do the bidders for the Pac 12 TV renewal find value in raiding the Big 12 for a 13 and 14?