The Big XII will be good, but the newcomers will face established P5 programs week in and week out. The only newcomer that can recently compare is Cincinnati during their Big East tenure, but this will be a step-up from that due to Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, and Iowa State.

I think the Big XII will still be better than the Pac 12 from top to bottom, but the Pac 12 will have the better teams on top USC, UCLA, and Oregon.

(04-15-2022 04:30 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big XII will be good, but the newcomers will face established P5 programs week in and week out. The only newcomer that can recently compare is Cincinnati during their Big East tenure, but this will be a step-up from that due to Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, and Iowa State.

I think the Big XII will still be better than the Pac 12 from top to bottom, but the Pac 12 will have the better teams on top USC, UCLA, and Oregon.

The Big East from '04-'11 was just as good as the Big 12 (other than Oklahoma) has been the past 8 years.


In the 7 years UC was in the Big East, the 8 teams finished the season ranked 14 times (25%).

Since 2012 (10 seasons), the 5 teams you listed (Baylor, TCU, TT, OSU, ISU) have been ranked at the end of the year 15 times (30%). All 8 Big 12 left-behinds finished ranked 19 times (23.75%).

If you include all 12 New Big 12 teams, they were ranked 31 times (26%) in the last 10 years. If you ignore 2021 (which was an aberration), they were ranked 24% of the time.

All of those groups are clearly superior to the PAC-12 over the past 8 years, which has only had 18 teams finish the year ranked (19%)

I wish he was hired away after rebuilding UC so there was a chance his successor flopped and our rivalry (basically just in-name at this point) were competitive again. Unfortunately we squandered the Big Ben years twenty years ago with awful admin/coaching so that dug us a hole we haven't truly recovered from, even if we're no longer a doormat. But "not a doormat" MAC program just isn't close to UC at this point.

Good for the Bearcats to bounce back from Tuberville with a home run hire. Based on what I've read Fickell and his wife are pretty attached to Ohio so I doubt he goes anywhere but OSU if even Notre Dame wasn't able to lure him away, barring a scandal that knocks him out for a few years until a comeback.

(04-15-2022 07:33 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-15-2022 04:30 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big XII will be good, but the newcomers will face established P5 programs week in and week out. The only newcomer that can recently compare is Cincinnati during their Big East tenure, but this will be a step-up from that due to Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, OK State, and Iowa State.

I think the Big XII will still be better than the Pac 12 from top to bottom, but the Pac 12 will have the better teams on top USC, UCLA, and Oregon.

The Big East from '04-'11 was just as good as the Big 12 (other than Oklahoma) has been the past 8 years.


In the 7 years UC was in the Big East, the 8 teams finished the season ranked 14 times (25%).

Since 2012 (10 seasons), the 5 teams you listed (Baylor, TCU, TT, OSU, ISU) have been ranked at the end of the year 15 times (30%). All 8 Big 12 left-behinds finished ranked 19 times (23.75%).

If you include all 12 New Big 12 teams, they were ranked 31 times (26%) in the last 10 years. If you ignore 2021 (which was an aberration), they were ranked 24% of the time.

All of those groups are clearly superior to the PAC-12 over the past 8 years, which has only had 18 teams finish the year ranked (19%)

Yeah man, I don't know. It just looks like there is more talent in the current Big XII. I guess we'll see.

(04-15-2022 08:35 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I wish he was hired away after rebuilding UC so there was a chance his successor flopped and our rivalry (basically just in-name at this point) were competitive again. Unfortunately we squandered the Big Ben years twenty years ago with awful admin/coaching so that dug us a hole we haven't truly recovered from, even if we're no longer a doormat. But "not a doormat" MAC program just isn't close to UC at this point.

Good for the Bearcats to bounce back from Tuberville with a home run hire. Based on what I've read Fickell and his wife are pretty attached to Ohio so I doubt he goes anywhere but OSU if even Notre Dame wasn't able to lure him away, barring a scandal that knocks him out for a few years until a comeback.

If he would have been looking to leave Marcus Freeman would have gotten the nod before he left to be the DC at Notre Dame. Even if Marcus could not coach(which he can), he would have recruited too well to lose to Miami.