Hillary has been breaking laws and getting away from it for 40 years dating back to her insider trading days in Arkansas. Remember that time you only invested $1000 yet made $100,000 on cattle futures before cashing out in 9 months?

(02-17-2022 12:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

The right's obsession with her? This coming from the guy who started a thread about Sarah Paliin?

One major difference is that the left hasn't spent years clamoring for Sarah Palin to be locked up. She is rightly ridiculed at some points, other times she has been piled on unfairly by the media. But if some faction has been pushing for her incarceration, I've missed it and it clearly didn't capture the hearts & minds on the left as fully as your equally unsuccessful campaign to imprison Secretary Clinton has.

Could that be Palin hasn't engaged in shady activities to the degree Hillary has?

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

Baseless allegations

Bwahahahahahaha

Youre effin delusional

Word on the street is Durham is running this investigation like a well oiled legitimate professional machine.

Unlike Comey and Mueller

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(02-17-2022 12:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:36 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

The right's obsession with her? This coming from the guy who started a thread about Sarah Paliin?

One major difference is that the left hasn't spent years clamoring for Sarah Palin to be locked up. She is rightly ridiculed at some points, other times she has been piled on unfairly by the media. But if some faction has been pushing for her incarceration, I've missed it and it clearly didn't capture the hearts & minds on the left as fully as your equally unsuccessful campaign to imprison Secretary Clinton has.

Maybe that's because Palin hasn't done a bunch of crap that would land one of us peons in prison.

Hillary's Campaign Lawyer Attempts to Get Out of Durham Prosecution

Quote:The Hillary Clinton campaign attorney who has been indicted by Special Counsel John Durham for lying to federal investigators filed to have charges dismissed Thursday.

"Attorneys for Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann filed a motion Thursday to dismiss the case against him in Special Counsel John Durham’s investigation, claiming a case of 'extraordinary prosecutorial overreach,'" Fox News reports.

An indictment details the charges against Sussmann, who failed to disclose his work for the Clinton campaign after telling the FBI President Donald Trump was colluding with the Russian government to win the 2016 presidential election. He pleaded not guilty and his attorneys argue his statements to the FBI were not false, but rather a simple tip to the law enforcement agency.

"The defendant is charged in a one-count indictment with making a materially false statement to the FBI, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001 (the 'Indictment'). As set forth in the Indictment, on Sept. 19, 2016 – less than two months before the 2016 U.S. Presidential election – the defendant, a lawyer at a large international law firm ('Law Firm-1') that was then serving as counsel to the Clinton Campaign, met with the FBI General Counsel at FBI Headquarters in Washington, D.C.," Durham's recent case filing states.

"The defendant provided the FBI General Counsel with purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel between the Trump Organization and a Russia-based bank ('Russian Bank-1')," the filing continues. "The Indictment alleges that the defendant lied in that meeting, falsely stating to the General Counsel that he was not providing the allegations to the FBI on behalf of any client. In fact, the defendant had assembled and conveyed the allegations to the FBI on behalf of at least two specific clients, including (i) a technology executive ('Tech Executive-1') at a U.S.-based Internet company ('Internet Company- 1'), and (ii) the Clinton Campaign."

This is interesting. It turns out Joffe was close to Obama, and had worked undercover with the FBI in the past. If that was the case, why did they need Sussman to go to the FBI with this information (and lie about not working with the Clintont campaign)?

Because they wanted the information to appear to have come from multiple sources.

(02-17-2022 01:13 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

Baseless allegations

Bwahahahahahaha

Youre effin delusional

Word on the street is Durham is running this investigation like a well oiled legitimate professional machine.

Unlike Comey and Mueller

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1,000+ Days and what, 2 indictments?

Yeah...sure thing.

Is there anyone more cucked than Bernie supporters?

(02-17-2022 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:13 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

Baseless allegations

Bwahahahahahaha

Youre effin delusional

Word on the street is Durham is running this investigation like a well oiled legitimate professional machine.

Unlike Comey and Mueller

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1,000+ Days and what, 2 indictments?

Yeah...sure thing.

Untangling corruption and treason should take a long time and be done carefully.

No leaks and acceleration of the case is a good thing.

Now if you want to talk about incompetence, it took Mueller how long to figure out nothing happened?


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Durham dropped another bunch of supporting evidence this evening it appears.

Only heard a minute or two of it tho

(02-17-2022 07:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Durham dropped another bunch of supporting evidence this evening it appears.

Only heard a minute or two of it tho

In mensa's failing thread, I posted a tweet from Jonathan Turley where he spoke to this. Sussman asked a court to dismiss the case because the evidence was so "vague". But Turley pointed out that by making this filing, Sussman was opening the door for Durham to present even more evidence. Sounds like this happened.

The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

(02-18-2022 10:38 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

Can you point to exactly where Durham distanced himself? For some reason this left wing rag left it out.

(02-18-2022 10:38 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

In other words another Liberal circle jerk website that points back to the NYT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Wire

Political Wire is an American political blog. It was founded in 1999 and published by Taegan (/ˈteɪɡən/) Goddard, a former policy adviser to Democratic U.S. Senator Donald Riegle

(02-18-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:38 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

Can you point to exactly where Durham distanced himself? For some reason this left wing rag left it out.

Here you go, here's a couple stories about it that aren't behind paywall -

https://news.yahoo.com/john-durham-dista...12065.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...uxbndlbing

(02-18-2022 10:53 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:38 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

Can you point to exactly where Durham distanced himself? For some reason this left wing rag left it out.

Here you go, here's a couple stories about it that aren't behind paywall -

https://news.yahoo.com/john-durham-dista...12065.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...uxbndlbing

Thanks, because what Durham said is also the exact opposite of what these left wing rags said he said. Here's Furhams quote:

"If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government's Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government's inclusion of this information," Durham's team wrote in a court filing Thursday.

What Durham said is that its not his fault if the media, whether right or left, cant read his indictment. If he's saying some right wing media is overstating his indictment, he's also saying the left wing media is understating his indictment.

This is another case where its better to read what Durham said instead of some left wing rag trying to tell us what he said.

(02-17-2022 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 01:13 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 11:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 08:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  Why is Tom so hell bent on defending Hillary?

I'm not defending her, neither is anyone else here. I voted for her solely because it was a vote against trump. I said years ago that I just want her to go away. And thankfully other than the right's continual obsession with her, she has.

But if you think I'm going to blindly parrot, so far, baseless allegations from this Durham debacle you're delusional.

If he actually presents any evidence that's credible and charges her with anything, I'll be right there calling for her the appropriate punishment. The facts just don't fit here. Durham made some vague allegations and presented no facts and the fox heads starting adding words like infiltrated and hacked and you all started following along like lost sheep.

Baseless allegations

Bwahahahahahaha

Youre effin delusional

Word on the street is Durham is running this investigation like a well oiled legitimate professional machine.

Unlike Comey and Mueller

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1,000+ Days and what, 2 indictments?

Yeah...sure thing.

Exactly. Do you know seehow long it takes to actually to unfold a real election conspiracy?

We still haven’t figured out exactly what happened in 2016—and yet many want to march around here proclaiming they know for a fact that the 2020 election was the “safest and most secure” election ever. If nothing else, the ongoing Durham investigation basically shows us it will be years before we likely know exactly what all happened in 2020. What we already know is hundreds of thousands of ballots were cast under election laws we now know were illegally passed add were illegitimate. Thus, the continued argument that widespread election law violations did not occur is now a patently false statement. I suspect, like Durham’s investigation of 2016, we will continue to discover more and more illegalities and fraud occurred in the 2020 election as time passes.

(02-18-2022 11:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:53 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:49 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-18-2022 10:38 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The Special Counsel himself realizes that this is not, at this point, what many of you want it to be -

Durham Distances Himself From Furor in Right-Wing Media
February 18, 2022 at 9:13 am EST By Taegan Goddard 73 Comments

“John Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers,” the New York Times reports.

Can you point to exactly where Durham distanced himself? For some reason this left wing rag left it out.

Here you go, here's a couple stories about it that aren't behind paywall -

https://news.yahoo.com/john-durham-dista...12065.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...uxbndlbing

Thanks, because what Durham said is also the exact opposite of what these left wing rags said he said. Here's Furhams quote:

"If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated, or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the Government's Motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the Government's inclusion of this information," Durham's team wrote in a court filing Thursday.

What Durham said is that its not his fault if the media, whether right or left, cant read his indictment. If he's saying some right wing media is overstating his indictment, he's also saying the left wing media is understating his indictment.

This is another case where its better to read what Durham said instead of some left wing rag trying to tell us what he said.

I think we agree on what he is saying, which is what a Special Counsel should say - EVERYONE back off, calm down and let me finish my work. But if the left went wild with rampant speculation and said that he hadn't found anything and his investigation should be shut down, I missed that. Given that it was the right who has gleefully predicted that his filing heralds their dreamed of reckoning for the ever elusive Mrs. Clinton, I think the interpretation that he is distancing himself from that is a fair one. Certainly, if there is speculation on the left that his investigation is a witch hunt or that Hillary has been exonerated, that too is premature and I would agree he also seeks to distance himself from that.