Maybe someone else will too. Reference, 358 teams in D1

Most Quad 1 wins Baylor and Purdue are both 8-3 vs Quad 1 teams
Kansas is 7-3, others also have 7 wins

Most Quad 1 games played 13. # 69 Kansas State, 12-11, is 4-9, Marquette is #24, 16-8 is 7-6. Noteworthy, North Carolina 17-7 is #41 but a terrible 1-7 versus Quad 1.

Highest ranked team with a Quad 4 loss, #35 Boise State 18-5 to Bakersfield.

Highest team with no Quad 1 wins, Washington State #43, also Virginia Tech #44

Lowest team with a Quad 1 win. Lipscomb 7-16, 289, beat Dayton 78-59 on the road.
Others with a Quad 1 Southeast Missouri 9-14, 280, beat 64 Missouri State 99-94 in the first game on the road
Bakersfield 4-12, 273 beat Boise St #35 on the road.

Lowest ranked team that’s not below .500 to other Quad 4 teams, Chicago State is 6-6

Lowest ranked team with any Quad 3 wins, Charleston Southern #350, 2-19.

Just plain weird, #62 Dayton is only 7-3 versus Quad 4 teams (early losses to UMass-Lowell #251, Austin Peay, 274 and Lispcomb, 289) but is 2-2 versus Quad 1 teams including wins against Kansas, #7 and Belmont #38.
I don’t know about Dayton specifically, but I would imagine they were out some players early. But despite bad losses, are having a successful season.


These are just for fun. Please don’t take them too seriously:)

But North Carolina does illustrate a point of annoyance for me. Teams like them get so many cracks at good teams. When it comes to being seeded in the tournament, they’ll say oh, they’ve got 3 quad 1 wins (or however many at the time) but they never talk about Quad 1 winning percent, just totals. That way, the big conferences who get 20 cracks at those wins that are so valuable for making the tournament and seeding can look good.

And it might be a win at home on a night another team had someone out sick or hurt but it counts just the same because he came back later and that team kept winning and they therefor remained Quad 1 because it was just one random loss.

But then those Quad 1 losses still work for them in strength of schedule which is part of the Net rankings. I know we all know the Net is stacked in favor of power conference schools, but this just illustrates one way that the mechanism works. It’s a form of double dealing.

Thanks for this post. The Net Ranking privilege is probably the thing I dislike the most about the NCAA tournament. I am sure I'm in the minority, but there is no way the seventh-place finisher in the Big 12, ACC or SEC should get into the tourney ahead of any regular season conference champion. I would much rather watch Lipscomb or Stoney Brook that I really know little to nothing about other than their name, get pummeled by the #1 seed than I would a TCU versus Utah match up because both of those schools are from Power 5 conferences.

(02-12-2022 11:20 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Thanks for this post. The Net Ranking privilege is probably the thing I dislike the most about the NCAA tournament. I am sure I'm in the minority, but there is no way the seventh-place finisher in the Big 12, ACC or SEC should get into the tourney ahead of any regular season conference champion. I would much rather watch Lipscomb or Stoney Brook that I really know little to nothing about other than their name, get pummeled by the #1 seed than I would a TCU versus Utah match up because both of those schools are from Power 5 conferences.

I’m not super against the 7th place team being in, but they better have a winning conference record. I don’t think having a losing record is “worthy” of an at-large bid. I would rather see 26-4 Belmont in there. I believe most NCAA Tournament fans would agree, except for the fans of the 17-14 (7-11) SEC team that got in. If you can’t go .500 in your conference or at least 4 games over .500 overall, no at-large for you.

(02-12-2022 01:30 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 11:20 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  Thanks for this post. The Net Ranking privilege is probably the thing I dislike the most about the NCAA tournament. I am sure I'm in the minority, but there is no way the seventh-place finisher in the Big 12, ACC or SEC should get into the tourney ahead of any regular season conference champion. I would much rather watch Lipscomb or Stoney Brook that I really know little to nothing about other than their name, get pummeled by the #1 seed than I would a TCU versus Utah match up because both of those schools are from Power 5 conferences.

I’m not super against the 7th place team being in, but they better have a winning conference record. I don’t think having a losing record is “worthy” of an at-large bid. I would rather see 26-4 Belmont in there. I believe most NCAA Tournament fans would agree, except for the fans of the 17-14 (7-11) SEC team that got in. If you can’t go .500 in your conference or at least 4 games over .500 overall, no at-large for you.

Seems like that used to virtually be a rule with the committee, but I believe in the last few years they have made a few exceptions, and increasingly often. I don’t like the trend, but I see it continuing. Conferences have gotten bigger, talent, and good teams are more concentrated now than before.

Then worst (for me) are the teams full of talented freshman all destined for the pros that took all season to get it together and then slide in the tourney based on how good they have been in their last few games IMO.

Perusing the NET rankings, here’s what caught my eye this week.

Nebraska, Utah, Mississippi State, Georgia, Tulsa, and Oregon State are among the 18 teams that have not won a road game all season.

With neutral court tournament events having taken the place of some road games it doesn’t mean that haven’t won away from home at all. Most aren’t having very good seasons but some have a fair number of total wins considering. Mississippi State is 14-10 for example.

Alcorn State has the most road games and have a 7-12 road record.

Coppin State has the most road losses and is 3-15 on the road.

Gonzaga has a grand total of a whopping 3 road games played this entire season. Definitely the least of anyone.

By comparison, Villanova is 7-4 on the road, Baylor 6-2, Arizona is 7-2, and Auburn is 7-1 on the road. I have to think winning road games is pretty essential to team toughness, but I’m not Mark Few. How a teams conference schedule fell together has some factor in the numbers at this point and it may even out a little later, but a team like Villanova, Arizona or Baylor sure look a lot more battle tested in this regard.

(02-14-2022 06:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  Perusing the NET rankings, here’s what caught my eye this week.

Nebraska, Utah, Mississippi State, Georgia, Tulsa, and Oregon State are among the 18 teams that have not won a road game all season.

With neutral court tournament events having taken the place of some road games it doesn’t mean that haven’t won away from home at all. Most aren’t having very good seasons but some have a fair number of total wins considering. Mississippi State is 14-10 for example.

Alcorn State has the most road games and have a 7-12 road record.

Coppin State has the most road losses and is 3-15 on the road.

Gonzaga has a grand total of a whopping 3 road games played this entire season. Definitely the least of anyone.

By comparison, Villanova is 7-4 on the road, Baylor 6-2, Arizona is 7-2, and Auburn is 7-1 on the road. I have to think winning road games is pretty essential to team toughness, but I’m not Mark Few. How a teams conference schedule fell together has some factor in the numbers at this point and it may even out a little later, but a team like Villanova, Arizona or Baylor sure look a lot more battle tested in this regard.

Gonzaga played 5 games away from Spokane. Seattle(1)/Vegas(3) /PHX (1)

(02-16-2022 01:16 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 06:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  Perusing the NET rankings, here’s what caught my eye this week.

Nebraska, Utah, Mississippi State, Georgia, Tulsa, and Oregon State are among the 18 teams that have not won a road game all season.

With neutral court tournament events having taken the place of some road games it doesn’t mean that haven’t won away from home at all. Most aren’t having very good seasons but some have a fair number of total wins considering. Mississippi State is 14-10 for example.

Alcorn State has the most road games and have a 7-12 road record.

Coppin State has the most road losses and is 3-15 on the road.

For Gonzaga part of that is the way the conference schedule fell. They were on the road last night at Pepperdine. I didn't look but I assume they have mostly away games left in conference.
Gonzaga has a grand total of a whopping 3 road games played this entire season. Definitely the least of anyone.

By comparison, Villanova is 7-4 on the road, Baylor 6-2, Arizona is 7-2, and Auburn is 7-1 on the road. I have to think winning road games is pretty essential to team toughness, but I’m not Mark Few. How a teams conference schedule fell together has some factor in the numbers at this point and it may even out a little later, but a team like Villanova, Arizona or Baylor sure look a lot more battle tested in this regard.

Gonzaga played 5 games away from Spokane. Seattle(1)/Vegas(3) /PHX (1)

I suspect some of that is the way their conference schedule fell. They played at Pepperdine last night and I assume they have mostly away conference games left.

(02-17-2022 08:45 AM)FirstandGoal Wrote:  

(02-16-2022 01:16 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 06:27 AM)Todor Wrote:  Perusing the NET rankings, here’s what caught my eye this week.

Nebraska, Utah, Mississippi State, Georgia, Tulsa, and Oregon State are among the 18 teams that have not won a road game all season.

With neutral court tournament events having taken the place of some road games it doesn’t mean that haven’t won away from home at all. Most aren’t having very good seasons but some have a fair number of total wins considering. Mississippi State is 14-10 for example.

Alcorn State has the most road games and have a 7-12 road record.

Coppin State has the most road losses and is 3-15 on the road.

For Gonzaga part of that is the way the conference schedule fell. They were on the road last night at Pepperdine. I didn't look but I assume they have mostly away games left in conference.
Gonzaga has a grand total of a whopping 3 road games played this entire season. Definitely the least of anyone.

By comparison, Villanova is 7-4 on the road, Baylor 6-2, Arizona is 7-2, and Auburn is 7-1 on the road. I have to think winning road games is pretty essential to team toughness, but I’m not Mark Few. How a teams conference schedule fell together has some factor in the numbers at this point and it may even out a little later, but a team like Villanova, Arizona or Baylor sure look a lot more battle tested in this regard.

Gonzaga played 5 games away from Spokane. Seattle(1)/Vegas(3) /PHX (1)

I suspect some of that is the way their conference schedule fell. They played at Pepperdine last night and I assume they have mostly away conference games left.

It doesn’t really matter though. Gonzaga is a major basketball program playing in a mid-major league. They have earned respect and can schedule like that. It’s not the same as Belmont or UIC only playing road games at Chicago State and Fairfield. Then complaining they didn’t get in the tournament after their win over Louisville on a neutral court.