(02-11-2022 04:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the three get postseason bans from C-USA, could the three schools just host their unofficial postseason tournament?

That’d be the ugliest MBB tournament in the country this year.

It’s the NCAA bid that matters and I suppose the conference can assign that.

But it would allow the student-athletes to play for something (even if it wasn't an NCAAT bid). The fact that these kids are being robbed of that opportunity is a joke.

(02-11-2022 04:18 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 03:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I wonder if they try to be dicks about it and try to do the stupid not allowed to participate in conference tournaments rest of the year.

I would ban them from all post season touraments since those schools broke the agreements.

Don’t think they can do that at this point. Those 3 would have a case that it was stated they would remain eligible just weeks ago.

(02-11-2022 04:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the three get postseason bans from C-USA, could the three schools just host their unofficial postseason tournament?

That’d be the ugliest MBB tournament in the country this year.

It’s the NCAA bid that matters and I suppose the conference can assign that.

But it would allow the student-athletes to play for something (even if it wasn't an NCAAT bid). The fact that these kids are being robbed of that opportunity is a joke.

Let’s hope that’s not the case.

Wonder if this changes SHSU's timeline.

so it sounds what made this happen today was C-USA sent the football schedules to the schools today at 2pm with the on there.

(02-11-2022 04:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the three get postseason bans from C-USA, could the three schools just host their unofficial postseason tournament?

That’d be the ugliest MBB tournament in the country this year.

It’s the NCAA bid that matters and I suppose the conference can assign that.

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ODU, Marshall, and USM are a combined 6-26 in C-USA MBB play so far this season, and the latter 2 have only 1 win a piece so it’s not like any of them would be likely to win a conference tournament. What’s going to be mess is C-USA scrambling to fill all the holes in the prematurely-announced football schedule.

(02-11-2022 04:32 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:17 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:12 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If the three get postseason bans from C-USA, could the three schools just host their unofficial postseason tournament?

That’d be the ugliest MBB tournament in the country this year.

It’s the NCAA bid that matters and I suppose the conference can assign that.

.

ODU, Marshall, and USM are a combined 6-26 in C-USA MBB play so far this season, and the latter 2 have only 1 win a piece so it’s not like any of them would be likely to win a conference tournament. What’s going to be mess is C-USA scrambling to fill all the holes in the prematurely-announced football schedule.

We have very good shots at winning WBB, baseball & tennis titles though.

They managed when UAB shutdown football. I guarantee they already have one made up without us.

(02-11-2022 04:32 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  What’s going to be mess is C-USA scrambling to fill all the holes in the prematurely-announced football schedule.

Meh. I would bet a lot of money that the same people who drafted the 14-team 2022 CUSA football schedule also sent an 11-team 2022 CUSA football schedule to the conference office.

(02-11-2022 04:44 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm rooting for chaos.

- This scares off the teams with CUSA invites from joining.
- CUSA forced to disband this summer

Come on.

Liberty and NMSU need homes. SHSU and JSU want to be FBS.

This ain't scaring them off.

(02-11-2022 03:38 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Maybe I just didn't follow it as closely, but it seems like these conference breakups are getting messier and messier. The previous CUSA/Sun Belt stuff had some animosity, but it seems like a lot of schools leaving (JMU, Stony Brook, UIC, potentially these CUSA ones) are getting post season bans and a very cold shoulder.

When Tech left the pre-football sunbelt back in 2000, it wasn't exactly met with a celebration from the conference office or other schools (especially since they were trying to add football). They stripped us from hosting a WBB conference tournament (when we were a powerhouse and easily the best draw for selling tickets, I think we were a #1 seed/Elite 8 team that year). But at least they let us play (we'd have got an at-large obviously, so in hindsight maybe the conference would have done better to have not let us play at all - might have got a 3rd team in).

With that experience (with the SB in particular) I am in favor of USM losing the baseball tourney, but I think they should all have to chance to play (just somewhere else).

So the AAC bound schools are staying per the bylaws but the SB schools are throwing a fit.

(02-11-2022 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So the AAC bound schools are staying per the bylaws but the SB schools are throwing a fit.

Yup.

Low class move by ODU, Marshall and USM. Hopefully the C-USA gets major damages from them.

(02-11-2022 05:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:44 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm rooting for chaos.

- This scares off the teams with CUSA invites from joining.
- CUSA forced to disband this summer

Come on.

Liberty and NMSU need homes. SHSU and JSU want to be FBS.

This ain't scaring them off.

Join a conference that ignores its members. Marshall, ODU, and USM are publicly saying the conference is actively ignoring there requests for meeting.

Its a dumpster fire. You're better off an independent or remaining in the FCS than joining CUSA.

This is the same conference that took a deal with Facebook and Stadium over simply resigning with ESPN in 2018. Then they backtracked when you know, nobody watches football on Facebook or Stadium.

(02-11-2022 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So the AAC bound schools are staying per the bylaws but the SB schools are throwing a fit.

The C-USA bylaws do provide for an early exit fee if 14 months notice is not provided, but the bylaws are silent on the value or calculation of those fees. The three schools have been attempting to negotiate/finalize those early exit fees, but C-USA was not engaging in those discussions (separately line of discussion would be if C-USA had strategic motivation for not wanting to engage in those negotiations). Today was basically the announcement that we are leaving without the early exit fee valuation finalized.

(02-11-2022 05:24 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  You're better off an independent or remaining in the FCS than joining CUSA.

Nobody is expecting a "conference of the year" award here.

But no, you are not better off as an independent or remaining in FCS (if FBS is your goal).

(02-11-2022 05:27 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So the AAC bound schools are staying per the bylaws but the SB schools are throwing a fit.

The C-USA bylaws do provide for an early exit fee if 14 months notice is not provided, but the bylaws are silent on the value or calculation of those fees. The three schools have been attempting to negotiate/finalize those early exit fees, but C-USA was not engaging in those discussions (separately line of discussion would be if C-USA had strategic motivation for not wanting to engage in those negotiations). Today was basically the announcement that we are leaving without the early exit fee valuation finalized.

Yeah, that's all I can imagine here. You'd still think you'd at least reply with a crazy counter-offer or something rather than just radio silence.

(02-11-2022 05:24 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:44 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm rooting for chaos.

- This scares off the teams with CUSA invites from joining.
- CUSA forced to disband this summer

Come on.

Liberty and NMSU need homes. SHSU and JSU want to be FBS.

This ain't scaring them off.

Join a conference that ignores its members. Marshall, ODU, and USM are publicly saying the conference is actively ignoring there requests for meeting.

Its a dumpster fire. You're better off an independent or remaining in the FCS than joining CUSA.

This is the same conference that took a deal with Facebook and Stadium over simply resigning with ESPN in 2018. Then they backtracked when you know, nobody watches football on Facebook or Stadium.

LOL if you think independence is better.

The trio knew the bylaws when they joined. They knew the bylaws when they put notice in. This is 100% on schools not honoring their commitments. Sun Belt may regret inviting these three conference hoppers, especially ODU and Marshall.

(02-11-2022 05:35 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:24 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:44 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm rooting for chaos.

- This scares off the teams with CUSA invites from joining.
- CUSA forced to disband this summer

Come on.

Liberty and NMSU need homes. SHSU and JSU want to be FBS.

This ain't scaring them off.

Join a conference that ignores its members. Marshall, ODU, and USM are publicly saying the conference is actively ignoring there requests for meeting.

Its a dumpster fire. You're better off an independent or remaining in the FCS than joining CUSA.

This is the same conference that took a deal with Facebook and Stadium over simply resigning with ESPN in 2018. Then they backtracked when you know, nobody watches football on Facebook or Stadium.

LOL if you think independence is better.

The trio knew the bylaws when they joined. They knew the bylaws when they put notice in. This is 100% on schools not honoring their commitments. Sun Belt may regret inviting these three conference hoppers, especially ODU and Marshall.

I don't like that they're leaving, but I think the SB will be glad to have them.

They're getting a couple of really good baseball programs, a historically good football program that is struggling, a historically good football program that is still pretty good, several historic rivalries, and really good tight divisional geography (with enough teams to minimize cross-divisional play).

These schools had issues with CUSA leadership, and may end up having issues with SB leadership down the road after the honeymoon, but at this point it's way too early to know if those conflicts were specific to CUSA leadership/other teams/circumstances or more about administrations at those schools (or a mix).

SB won't regret this I don't think. Not for overall outcome in the foreseeable future.

(02-11-2022 05:35 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:24 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 05:00 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:44 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  I'm rooting for chaos.

- This scares off the teams with CUSA invites from joining.
- CUSA forced to disband this summer

Come on.

Liberty and NMSU need homes. SHSU and JSU want to be FBS.

This ain't scaring them off.

Join a conference that ignores its members. Marshall, ODU, and USM are publicly saying the conference is actively ignoring there requests for meeting.

Its a dumpster fire. You're better off an independent or remaining in the FCS than joining CUSA.

This is the same conference that took a deal with Facebook and Stadium over simply resigning with ESPN in 2018. Then they backtracked when you know, nobody watches football on Facebook or Stadium.

LOL if you think independence is better.

The trio knew the bylaws when they joined. They knew the bylaws when they put notice in. This is 100% on schools not honoring their commitments. Sun Belt may regret inviting these three conference hoppers, especially ODU and Marshall.

Yeah the Sun Belt will definitely regret adding schools that make their divisions more compact.

(02-11-2022 04:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 04:32 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  What’s going to be mess is C-USA scrambling to fill all the holes in the prematurely-announced football schedule.

Meh. I would bet a lot of money that the same people who drafted the 14-team 2022 CUSA football schedule also sent an 11-team 2022 CUSA football schedule to the conference office.

Agree. The idiots on this board have never worked with scheduling software. It's freaking easy. They already have all the home and road dates and flex dates schools submitted. Just punch a button and you have an 8 game schedule in seconds for every team. Send a preliminary to the ADs to get feedback (standard operating procedure), adjust as needed, boom you are done.

Divisions go out the window with 11, you just apply for a two year waiver due to unexpected conference realignment; pretty much an automatic granting, and boom your CCG is unaffected. With 9 schools in 2023 you don't need the waiver as you play an 8 game round robin.

I just don't get all this worry about the scheduling intern. People act like it's the hardest job in the history of jobs. When in reality it's more like the guy who pushes the button on the big ball spin of the lottery. The hard work was done by the ADs in filling out the forms to give their can host and cannot host dates for their various facilities/sports. I just don't know what exactly people think is the great difficulty here.