It appears more and more likely that the B1G is going to punish Michigan during the current season. Regardless of how people feel about the school or the scandal, I’m curious if anybody knows the last time a conference jumped in during the middle of an NCAA investigation to punish a school. I’m assuming that any conference penalty on top of an NCAA penalty is also quite rare, though I’m sure that happens sometimes (SEC blackball of certain coaches springs to mind, though that was unofficial and those coaches are off the naughty list now).

As much as I enjoy joking about it, I’m actually skeptical that even a severe penalty would cause Michigan to start eyeballing the SEC, though you never know.

The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

(11-08-2023 11:13 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

So has the SEC. The commissioner will call the president of the school and simply say, it will go better for you if the school self-reports and imposes a penalty on itself. They comply. And it usually goes better.

Not sure what will happen here, but the advice is the same.

(11-08-2023 11:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  It appears more and more likely that the B1G is going to punish Michigan during the current season. Regardless of how people feel about the school or the scandal, I’m curious if anybody knows the last time a conference jumped in during the middle of an NCAA investigation to punish a school. I’m assuming that any conference penalty on top of an NCAA penalty is also quite rare, though I’m sure that happens sometimes (SEC blackball of certain coaches springs to mind, though that was unofficial and those coaches are off the naughty list now).

As much as I enjoy joking about it, I’m actually skeptical that even a severe penalty would cause Michigan to start eyeballing the SEC, though you never know.

Michigan is the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. More than Notre Dame. More than Stanford. More than anyone else. There might be a bizarro world where Ohio State would somehow be in the SEC, but not Michigan. Believe me - there are ZERO Southern tendencies about them. They are a combo of Big Ten athletic elitism combined with East Coast Ivy-level academic elitism.

(11-08-2023 11:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  It appears more and more likely that the B1G is going to punish Michigan during the current season. Regardless of how people feel about the school or the scandal, I’m curious if anybody knows the last time a conference jumped in during the middle of an NCAA investigation to punish a school. I’m assuming that any conference penalty on top of an NCAA penalty is also quite rare, though I’m sure that happens sometimes (SEC blackball of certain coaches springs to mind, though that was unofficial and those coaches are off the naughty list now).

As much as I enjoy joking about it, I’m actually skeptical that even a severe penalty would cause Michigan to start eyeballing the SEC, though you never know.

Michigan is the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. More than Notre Dame. More than Stanford. More than anyone else. There might be a bizarro world where Ohio State would somehow be in the SEC, but not Michigan. Believe me - there are ZERO Southern tendencies about them. They are a combo of Big Ten athletic elitism combined with East Coast Ivy-level academic elitism.

Well Frank Michigan got one thing right. Their mascot is a varmint! It's why when I was young I pulled for Duffy and the Spartans.

(11-08-2023 11:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  It appears more and more likely that the B1G is going to punish Michigan during the current season. Regardless of how people feel about the school or the scandal, I’m curious if anybody knows the last time a conference jumped in during the middle of an NCAA investigation to punish a school. I’m assuming that any conference penalty on top of an NCAA penalty is also quite rare, though I’m sure that happens sometimes (SEC blackball of certain coaches springs to mind, though that was unofficial and those coaches are off the naughty list now).

As much as I enjoy joking about it, I’m actually skeptical that even a severe penalty would cause Michigan to start eyeballing the SEC, though you never know.

Michigan is the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. More than Notre Dame. More than Stanford. More than anyone else. There might be a bizarro world where Ohio State would somehow be in the SEC, but not Michigan. Believe me - there are ZERO Southern tendencies about them. They are a combo of Big Ten athletic elitism combined with East Coast Ivy-level academic elitism.

My dad migrated to (future) SEC country after getting his degree from Michigan, there’s no reason the rest of them won’t follow! And speaking of Academic snobbery, Michigan and Texas A&M have nearly identical endowments. The only other B1G school besides Michigan with more than a $10b endowment is Northwestern ($16.1b). Heck, A&M, Texas and Vanderbilt combine for about $70b. So, while I wouldn’t start buying my SEC shirt quite yet if I was a Michigan fan, I’d at least start checking out some message boards.

(11-08-2023 11:13 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

That Illinois scandal seems quaint by todays standards. A QB was declared ineligible by the conference and sued the conference. The B1G responded by declaring Illinois ineligible for a bowl that year and they did not receive any tv money that year (admittedly the pre-1984 payouts were very small).

That article discussed a much bigger issue with woody Hayes at OSU in the late ‘50s, which the NCAA allowed the B1G to handle. Notably, the scandal was started by a 1955 SI article, and it took the B1G until 1957 to decide on a punishment.

(11-09-2023 12:56 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:13 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

That Illinois scandal seems quaint by todays standards. A QB was declared indelible by the conference and sued the conference. The B1G responded by declaring Illinois indelible for a bowl that year and they did not receive any tv money that year (admittedly the pre-1984 payouts were very small).

That article discussed a much bigger issue with woody Hayes at OSU in the late ‘50s, which the NCAA allowed the B1G to handle. Notably, the scandal was started by a 1955 SI article, and it took the B1G until 1957 to decide on a punishment.

Wow! Can't erase that guy, huh!

(11-08-2023 11:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:00 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  It appears more and more likely that the B1G is going to punish Michigan during the current season. Regardless of how people feel about the school or the scandal, I’m curious if anybody knows the last time a conference jumped in during the middle of an NCAA investigation to punish a school. I’m assuming that any conference penalty on top of an NCAA penalty is also quite rare, though I’m sure that happens sometimes (SEC blackball of certain coaches springs to mind, though that was unofficial and those coaches are off the naughty list now).

As much as I enjoy joking about it, I’m actually skeptical that even a severe penalty would cause Michigan to start eyeballing the SEC, though you never know.

Michigan is the single snobbiest and elitist school in all of FBS. More than Notre Dame. More than Stanford. More than anyone else. There might be a bizarro world where Ohio State would somehow be in the SEC, but not Michigan. Believe me - there are ZERO Southern tendencies about them. They are a combo of Big Ten athletic elitism combined with East Coast Ivy-level academic elitism.

Sounds Like an ACC school. Quick ESPN add Michigan to the ACC. They can play Stanford and Cal Annual. They are the Champions of the West after all.

(11-08-2023 11:13 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

This is a bit different, however. Illinois never owned the Big Ten. Michigan does, along with Ohio State.

can Michigan just get their punishment next season, like they did Ohio State with the tattoo scandal?

(11-09-2023 01:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-09-2023 12:56 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-08-2023 11:13 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  The Big Ten has done it multiple times in it's history, last time in 1981 with Illinois.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/co...577074007/

That Illinois scandal seems quaint by todays standards. A QB was declared indelible by the conference and sued the conference. The B1G responded by declaring Illinois indelible for a bowl that year and they did not receive any tv money that year (admittedly the pre-1984 payouts were very small).

That article discussed a much bigger issue with woody Hayes at OSU in the late ‘50s, which the NCAA allowed the B1G to handle. Notably, the scandal was started by a 1955 SI article, and it took the B1G until 1957 to decide on a punishment.

Wow! Can't erase that guy, huh!

Yeah, he must have used a pen for his lawsuit...