Ok, so I've been reading the various opinions here and there seems a general sense that the big thing for the NCAA is basketball because that's where much of its revenue comes from.

And it would seem that most of the NCAA's headaches (due to money driving the discussions, among other things) seem to come from Football.

So what if the NCAA just said that they were no longer supporting football? They'll just be the association for all the other sports (including bball)

Technically then, every school (for half a second) becomes a football independent.

Obviously the schools would create some sort of oversight/grouping for college football. (Let's call it the ACFA just to have something to call it.)

but with all existing rules out the window (no fbs, fcs, div I II III, or whatever)

So imagine that you have a clean slate to do anything.

Do you go for conferences? divisions? league play? relegation? something else?

What would the new ACFA look like? what sort of rules would it need/not need?

I'm curious what sort of models people might suggest for this ACFA, and what college football would subsequently look like.

What does this accomplish?

It cannot be filtered out until courts rule on what a governing body can and cannot regulate.
After one Supreme Court opinion the ncaa is essential threw there hands up and left the problems ahead at the door of conferences.
IMO the ncaa should do just that or grow a set and regulate fair and evenly.
**** or get off the pot.
College football will transform fundamentally in the next decade, what happens will depend on what courts decide is fair or not.

The P5 is opposed to that. A lot of the basketball schools like the idea. Because the P5 opposes it, it won't happen.

(02-10-2022 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  The P5 is opposed to that. A lot of the basketball schools like the idea. Because the P5 opposes it, it won't happen.

Why would/should the P5 oppose taking football away from NCAA control?

Honestly, things would be a lot simpler if the NCAA was out of the FBS football business.

Most all colleges and universities sponsoring intercollegiate athletics are part of the NCAA. There are exceptions such as the NAIA for some of the smaller, low/no scholarship schools.

Rather than forming multiple sports governance organizations the NCAA needs to have something akin to a constitutional convention and do major revamping with provisions that can adapt to changes as needed. Obviously P5/FBS have unique issues and comparatively have way more financial and other high stakes aspects involved than the rest. Certain new levels of autonomous decision-making would be in order. Still an umbrella structure for all college sports would have value.
Somebody has to make the rules, establish a system of accountability, provide legal protections, and enforce compliance and other obvious needed regulations.
Taking an old wild west approach could prove disastrous.

Good topic, Skyhawk.

Maybe the P5 should pull their football programs out from under the purview of the NCAA, allowing the NCAA to consolidate the G5 into FCS.

(02-10-2022 01:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  The P5 is opposed to that. A lot of the basketball schools like the idea. Because the P5 opposes it, it won't happen.

Why would/should the P5 oppose taking football away from NCAA control?

They want fb+bb or everything. They already mostly control fb

How, or even would it, help Olympic athletes s if this happens?

(02-10-2022 01:58 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  How, or even would it, help Olympic athletes s if this happens?

The move towards professionalism for revenue sports is absolutely going to hurt funding of Olympic sports at colleges and universities. Today, universities use profits from their revenue sports to fund non-revenue sports. With the move to professionalism, these revenues will need to be retained by the revenue producing sports to fund salaries and benefits for athletes participating in those sports.

Further, Title IX, which requires equal opportunities for women athletes, is based on the premise that college athletics are an educational program. Once athletes in some sports are determined to be employees of the university, as I understand it, they will no longer governed by Title IX.

With respect to the original post, it is certainly possible that the P5 football schools could voluntarily withdraw their programs from NCAA governance. There are various other sports, such as men's rowing, that are not governed by the NCAA, so there is some precedent for this. The NCAA could continue to govern football for those schools wishing to compete in an NCAA sanctioned competition. However, as another post suggests, it may be more likely that the reorganization of the sport would be done within the NCAA umbrella.

Um, we kind of already HAVE THIS.

The NCAA hosts championships for 88 sports. Not one for FBS football. The CFP is independent.

The rules that "matter" in terms of holding Division I together financially, are not really NCAA rules. It's Title IX. You'd need an act of Congress to carve out a Title IX exemption for football, which will never happen.

(02-10-2022 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 01:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  The P5 is opposed to that. A lot of the basketball schools like the idea. Because the P5 opposes it, it won't happen.

Why would/should the P5 oppose taking football away from NCAA control?

They want fb+bb or everything. They already mostly control fb

Your post sounded like you believe the P5 don't want to remove fb from NCAA control. If they also want other things removed from NCAA control, that suggests that they don't oppose removing football.

(02-10-2022 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 01:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 01:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 12:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  The P5 is opposed to that. A lot of the basketball schools like the idea. Because the P5 opposes it, it won't happen.

Why would/should the P5 oppose taking football away from NCAA control?

They want fb+bb or everything. They already mostly control fb

Your post sounded like you believe the P5 don't want to remove fb from NCAA control. If they also want other things removed from NCAA control, that suggests that they don't oppose removing football.

They oppose removing ONLY football. That doesn't do anything for them, just dumps some costs and doesn't change revenue.

(02-10-2022 01:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Honestly, things would be a lot simpler if the NCAA was out of the FBS football business.

I agree, and it could drop the FCS too, for that matter.

Let football, be football.

Let the rest be the amateur college sports : )

(02-10-2022 01:21 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Most all colleges and universities sponsoring intercollegiate athletics are part of the NCAA. There are exceptions such as the NAIA for some of the smaller, low/no scholarship schools.

Rather than forming multiple sports governance organizations the NCAA needs to have something akin to a constitutional convention and do major revamping with provisions that can adapt to changes as needed. Obviously P5/FBS have unique issues and comparatively have way more financial and other high stakes aspects involved than the rest. Certain new levels of autonomous decision-making would be in order. Still an umbrella structure for all college sports would have value.
Somebody has to make the rules, establish a system of accountability, provide legal protections, and enforce compliance and other obvious needed regulations.
Taking an old wild west approach could prove disastrous.

Good topic, Skyhawk.

Thank you : )

Just trying to look at the logic (or lack thereof) of all of this.

As for a Constitutional convention - they've done that, and it sounds like they mostly just gutted a chunk of the constitution, and removed/moved accountability/liability to the division levels.

I guess I'm just seeing a whole lot of turmoil that's mostly due to one sport. It seems to me that the logical thing would be to separate the rest to give them less disruption and that all-elusive: stability.