(02-07-2022 12:46 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 06:18 PM)VCE Wrote:  Ewing as quoted in the Post.

Quote: “We just have to keep working,” Ewing said. “We have to keep them positive, show them the mistakes that they make. They can’t get into their feelings when we show it to them, and we have to make a change. We’re only going to win when everybody in that room decides whatever we’re doing right now is not working.”

Zero accountability on his part.

Sounds like something Penny Hardaway would say. Neither Penny nor Big Pat want to take any blame. It's never their fault. Pathetic.

The disturbing thing for Georgetown is that Hardaway, compared to Ewing, has achieved Coach K level of success in terms of wins, attendance and recruiting. Both are mediocre (if that) game coaches and communicators/motivators.

Pat’s a decent (although overrated) recruiter; he just can’t keep the talent on campus. McClung, Akinjo, LeBlanc, Wahab and the list goes on. And on. I wouldn’t be shocked to see three or more transfers after the season.

He’s a horrible GM in that respect and in roster composition, a problem III also suffered from. Witness taking three centers in a single class, two of whom were projects at best.

The attendance is flat out embarrassing. I’d like to blame it on covid and the fact that folks in the northeast seem to be much more terrified of it than people elsewhere, but then I watch games in Philly, Newark and Hartford/Storrs and I see a different story.

(02-07-2022 01:30 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:46 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 06:18 PM)VCE Wrote:  Ewing as quoted in the Post.

Quote: “We just have to keep working,” Ewing said. “We have to keep them positive, show them the mistakes that they make. They can’t get into their feelings when we show it to them, and we have to make a change. We’re only going to win when everybody in that room decides whatever we’re doing right now is not working.”

Zero accountability on his part.

Sounds like something Penny Hardaway would say. Neither Penny nor Big Pat want to take any blame. It's never their fault. Pathetic.

The disturbing thing for Georgetown is that Hardaway, compared to Ewing, has achieved Coach K level of success in terms of wins, attendance and recruiting. Both are mediocre (if that) game coaches and communicators/motivators.

Pat’s a decent (although overrated) recruiter; he just can’t keep the talent on campus. McClung, Akinjo, LeBlanc, Wahab and the list goes on. And on. I wouldn’t be shocked to see three or more transfers after the season.

He’s a horrible GM in that respect and in roster composition, a problem III also suffered from. Witness taking three centers in a single class, two of whom were projects at best.

The attendance is flat out embarrassing. I’d like to blame it on covid and the fact that folks in the northeast seem to be much more terrified of it than people elsewhere, but then I watch games in Philly, Newark and Hartford/Storrs and I see a different story.

I recall GU signing three centers in a single class. That was a true head-scratcher.

Yeah Bill. Wahab made sense as he was a top 100ish type out of HS (and played like one before transferring), Igoefe I could understand as a raw player from Africa already in a man’s body. The third, Wilson, made zero sense to me. Even with redshirting, it makes for an unbalanced roster.

It’s interesting, someone posted a Why Villanova and not Georgetown thread today. A few hours later another poster bumped a thread from six years ago Why Villanova and not Us. The fact that we as Hoya fans are still having the same conversation so many years later speaks to problems beyond just the Head Coach.

I’d say half of my friends who used to watch games have stopped altogether. All but one have stopped going to games. The admin is doing nothing to connect with those of us whose main connection to the school post graduation is in its athletics teams.

I’ve said this before, but I get more emails from State U than I do from Georgetown after having donated to GU for years. My contact with Alma Mater consists of a magazine sent inconsistently and phone calls begging for more money.

(02-08-2022 10:10 PM)VCE Wrote:  Yeah Bill. Wahab made sense as he was a top 100ish type out of HS (and played like one before transferring), Igoefe I could understand as a raw player from Africa already in a man’s body. The third, Wilson, made zero sense to me. Even with redshirting, it makes for an unbalanced roster.

It’s interesting, someone posted a Why Villanova and not Georgetown thread today. A few hours later another poster bumped a thread from six years ago Why Villanova and not Us. The fact that we as Hoya fans are still having the same conversation so many years later speaks to problems beyond just the Head Coach.

I’d say half of my friends who used to watch games have stopped altogether. All but one have stopped going to games. The admin is doing nothing to connect with those of us whose main connection to the school post graduation is in its athletics teams.

I’ve said this before, but I get more emails from State U than I do from Georgetown after having donated to GU for years. My contact with Alma Mater consists of a magazine sent inconsistently and phone calls begging for more money.

I hate to hear this, VCE. It seems GU is doing a poor job of maintaining positive relationships with as many, as possible, graduates and friends of the university.

My relative who had been set to attend Georgetown is now a student at Vanderbilt and still ponders the thought of attempting to gain admission to GU for grad school. I want to see the men's hoops program do well regardless of whether my relative attends. The current state of the men's hoops program is bad. And, again, when I compare to the so-so status of the Memphis program ... Memphis seems like Duke compared to Georgetown at this point.

(02-09-2022 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:10 PM)VCE Wrote:  Yeah Bill. Wahab made sense as he was a top 100ish type out of HS (and played like one before transferring), Igoefe I could understand as a raw player from Africa already in a man’s body. The third, Wilson, made zero sense to me. Even with redshirting, it makes for an unbalanced roster.

It’s interesting, someone posted a Why Villanova and not Georgetown thread today. A few hours later another poster bumped a thread from six years ago Why Villanova and not Us. The fact that we as Hoya fans are still having the same conversation so many years later speaks to problems beyond just the Head Coach.

I’d say half of my friends who used to watch games have stopped altogether. All but one have stopped going to games. The admin is doing nothing to connect with those of us whose main connection to the school post graduation is in its athletics teams.

I’ve said this before, but I get more emails from State U than I do from Georgetown after having donated to GU for years. My contact with Alma Mater consists of a magazine sent inconsistently and phone calls begging for more money.

I hate to hear this, VCE. It seems GU is doing a poor job of maintaining positive relationships with as many, as possible, graduates and friends of the university.

My relative who had been set to attend Georgetown is now a student at Vanderbilt and still ponders the thought of attempting to gain admission to GU for grad school. I want to see the men's hoops program do well regardless of whether my relative attends. The current state of the men's hoops program is bad. And, again, when I compare to the so-so status of the Memphis program ... Memphis seems like Duke compared to Georgetown at this point.

If your relative is considering the law school, it’s very much separate from the main school. They have their own issues, but it’s very much a different animal. If s/he wants to go into government, getting a grad degree in Public Policy or from the School of Foreign Service is probably worthwhile.

Regarding GU/Memphis you’re spot on. I’m guessing UofM didn’t screw up ties to the local recruiting scene like GU did. This started under III and has continued under Ewing. Josh Hart of Villanova fame was a local who wanted to come here, would sit behind our bench wearing Hoyas gear; JTIII apparently offered but didn’t put the hard press on him. The program has given the cold shoulder to some of our former, local players. Ewing kept the same recruiter for the DMV who was here under III.

And now, we have an issue with (a portion of) the local, non alum fanbase because we kept it all in the “family” with first III and then Ewing. If we get rid of Ewing and hire someone from outside the family, it will be an issue. And there are other aspects at play as well as to who would be acceptable...

Many of the locals are entirely tied into fandom because of what JT Jr meant to the AA community. And that’s perfectly understandable for someone like me who is an ND football fan in part because of my Irish heritage. But I, and many other of what ND refers to as “subway alumni”, seem to share a deeper connection with ND as an institution than the Georgetown sub alums to Georgetown.

It’s just a tough situation overall, but this is what we pay top people, whether they’re college presidents or CEOs, to figure out. The best leaders I’ve encountered in life surround themselves with the smartest people they can find. I’m not sure that happens at Georgetown.

We beat the spread! Glad Pat took those early timeouts in the 2nd half.

Georgetown now with a 26% chance of a winless conference season.

And that number will really go up after Saturday's home game vs Creighton where they have a 30% chance of winning(yeah, right!)

Stever, you’re a local, and I think non alum, fan. What’s your take on the program’s relationships with the WCAC and other area schools? As far as my take on the AA community relationship, I hope that’s anecdotal and incorrect. Any insights?

(02-09-2022 11:58 PM)VCE Wrote:  Stever, you’re a local, and I think non alum, fan. What’s your take on the program’s relationships with the WCAC and other area schools? As far as my take on the AA community relationship, I hope that’s anecdotal and incorrect. Any insights?

I don't think they have much of one. Been like 5 years since they have had any WCAC guys on the roster. And what do you notice about this?
https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketba...er/2016-17

Every single player has their High School listed, EXCEPT for the 2 WCAC guys. That doesn't seem like it was just an oh whoops.

(02-09-2022 08:15 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:14 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:10 PM)VCE Wrote:  Yeah Bill. Wahab made sense as he was a top 100ish type out of HS (and played like one before transferring), Igoefe I could understand as a raw player from Africa already in a man’s body. The third, Wilson, made zero sense to me. Even with redshirting, it makes for an unbalanced roster.

It’s interesting, someone posted a Why Villanova and not Georgetown thread today. A few hours later another poster bumped a thread from six years ago Why Villanova and not Us. The fact that we as Hoya fans are still having the same conversation so many years later speaks to problems beyond just the Head Coach.

I’d say half of my friends who used to watch games have stopped altogether. All but one have stopped going to games. The admin is doing nothing to connect with those of us whose main connection to the school post graduation is in its athletics teams.

I’ve said this before, but I get more emails from State U than I do from Georgetown after having donated to GU for years. My contact with Alma Mater consists of a magazine sent inconsistently and phone calls begging for more money.

I hate to hear this, VCE. It seems GU is doing a poor job of maintaining positive relationships with as many, as possible, graduates and friends of the university.

My relative who had been set to attend Georgetown is now a student at Vanderbilt and still ponders the thought of attempting to gain admission to GU for grad school. I want to see the men's hoops program do well regardless of whether my relative attends. The current state of the men's hoops program is bad. And, again, when I compare to the so-so status of the Memphis program ... Memphis seems like Duke compared to Georgetown at this point.

If your relative is considering the law school, it’s very much separate from the main school. They have their own issues, but it’s very much a different animal. If s/he wants to go into government, getting a grad degree in Public Policy or from the School of Foreign Service is probably worthwhile.

Regarding GU/Memphis you’re spot on. I’m guessing UofM didn’t screw up ties to the local recruiting scene like GU did. This started under III and has continued under Ewing. Josh Hart of Villanova fame was a local who wanted to come here, would sit behind our bench wearing Hoyas gear; JTIII apparently offered but didn’t put the hard press on him. The program has given the cold shoulder to some of our former, local players. Ewing kept the same recruiter for the DMV who was here under III.

And now, we have an issue with (a portion of) the local, non alum fanbase because we kept it all in the “family” with first III and then Ewing. If we get rid of Ewing and hire someone from outside the family, it will be an issue. And there are other aspects at play as well as to who would be acceptable...

Many of the locals are entirely tied into fandom because of what JT Jr meant to the AA community. And that’s perfectly understandable for someone like me who is an ND football fan in part because of my Irish heritage. But I, and many other of what ND refers to as “subway alumni”, seem to share a deeper connection with ND as an institution than the Georgetown sub alums to Georgetown.

It’s just a tough situation overall, but this is what we pay top people, whether they’re college presidents or CEOs, to figure out. The best leaders I’ve encountered in life surround themselves with the smartest people they can find. I’m not sure that happens at Georgetown.

My relative would likely opt for Public Policy or School of Foreign Service. I would predict there is 50-50 chance of my relative attending GU. I hope it happens as I think it would be a hugely positive experience.

Georgetown and Memphis hoops programs offer more similarities then some folks realize (though far more differences overall).

One thing that helps Memphis compared to many other programs (and I've noted this on the board previously): The Tiger program has a "captive audience" to some extent (with a significant number of Black fans). There is a "we're all in this together/us-against-the-world" mindset with the Tiger fans that you don't see at many other programs. So even when Memphis is bad by its standards, there remains lots of interest.

I agree fully on the "best leader" definition. They surround themselves with bright folks and say "Tell me why I'm wrong." If that type leadership is lacking at GU ... not good.

I think S20 is a "closet" Georgetown fan!

(02-10-2022 04:21 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

https://www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/22/150...ing-change

We’re in some sort of purgatory here.

Georgetown now with a 44.4% chance of finishing 0-19 in conference play. Realistically it's all 1 chance- home vs DePaul.

DFWHoya mentioned on MU board that the head men’s basketball coach at Georgetown doesn’t report through the Athletic Department (JT requested and received special privileges that remain today). Is that true? How can a head coach not report through the athletic department? Who would Ewing report to then? DeGioia?

(02-17-2022 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  DFWHoya mentioned on MU board that the head men’s basketball coach at Georgetown doesn’t report through the Athletic Department (JT requested and received special privileges that remain today). Is that true? How can a head coach not report through the athletic department? Who would Ewing report to then? DeGioia?

I believe he technically reports to Jack, but rumor has it that it was the Board who forced Jack to fire III. ‘Zo was on the Board then; Dikembe is now...

A rumor posted on Hoyatalk today is that the wheels are in motion to force a resignation/retirement and that it may happen after the game this weekend. We shall see.

(02-17-2022 10:13 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  DFWHoya mentioned on MU board that the head men’s basketball coach at Georgetown doesn’t report through the Athletic Department (JT requested and received special privileges that remain today). Is that true? How can a head coach not report through the athletic department? Who would Ewing report to then? DeGioia?

I believe he technically reports to Jack, but rumor has it that it was the Board who forced Jack to fire III. ‘Zo was on the Board then; Dikembe is now...

A rumor posted on Hoyatalk today is that the wheels are in motion to force a resignation/retirement and that it may happen after the game this weekend. We shall see.

For all parties involved, I hope there is truth behind the rumor. Georgetown needs a fresh start with a completely new (but experienced) voice.

Would love for them to go after Mack.

(02-18-2022 03:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 10:13 PM)VCE Wrote:  

(02-17-2022 12:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  DFWHoya mentioned on MU board that the head men’s basketball coach at Georgetown doesn’t report through the Athletic Department (JT requested and received special privileges that remain today). Is that true? How can a head coach not report through the athletic department? Who would Ewing report to then? DeGioia?

I believe he technically reports to Jack, but rumor has it that it was the Board who forced Jack to fire III. ‘Zo was on the Board then; Dikembe is now...

A rumor posted on Hoyatalk today is that the wheels are in motion to force a resignation/retirement and that it may happen after the game this weekend. We shall see.

For all parties involved, I hope there is truth behind the rumor. Georgetown needs a fresh start with a completely new (but experienced) voice.

Would love for them to go after Mack.

Mack would be a good hire, but I’d prefer someone with ties to the northeast.

Pitino would be interesting too; he had at least one kid attend Georgetown. I kind of doubt he’d be acceptable to the administration and much of the fanbase, but bringing him on for a 3-5 year contract with someone like Mike Jones as an assistant head coach/head coach in waiting would be my ideal outcome. Jones is at VaTech but has strong ties to the DMV as the former coach at DeMatha.

Some of the names being thrown around are underwhelming. Kim English has local ties and has worked under some good coaches, but almost no experience as a head coach. Dennis Gates has a decent resume, but he’s a midwest guy.

The other names I’ve seen are Ivy/Patriot League guys and I could easily see the GU admin pushing for one of those. Hopefully the Board doesn’t allow it.

This will be the first true coaching search in 50!!! years, if it happens.

(02-19-2022 07:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

Amaker would be a good hire in many respects.

Let's see what VCE and DFW Hoya say. I'm curious.