(02-04-2022 08:41 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:13 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Narduzzi sounds old school. You can’t position yourself against NIL and the transfer portal…if done right, NIL and the portal help student athletes. He needs to be specific on how to improve things. When he mentions ND seeking Pickett, then it’s wrong when a ND coach or an administrator makes an overture.

One man's advice is another man's overture.

From time to time I have had parents ask me to help their kid get into a specific college or university. (NC State's Vet School is the hardest followed by VT's, then UNC's Medical School for what I call "normal great students"). Now, unless they can catch and throw a football or put a basketball into a hoop no one cares about my sporting interests. I would hate like Hell to steer a good football or basketball player to UNC, but if it's what the parents want and the kid's not harmed, I will help.

I once helped a girl get into South Carolina, do you know how difficult it was to go along with that - I told her if she went to Clemson she could get a job and a husband, no she wanted to study ******* psychology in Columbia of all places because a high school friend was there. I asked the girl point blank - "are you a lesbian, are you in love with this girl, what job has she got line up, do you expect your parents to look after you in the future".

Her response was, "my sexuality is none of your business and my friends are my friends". To which I said "you missed the ironic implication of my questioning and avoided answering the big question - what do you expect to do in the future - the other was just rhetoric to throw you off your game". "I want to help people", she said. I appreciated her moxie as I banged my head against my desk.

My point is that without context from Pickett, all Narduzi is doing is ginning up a smoke screen for something else - maybe a current recruiting battle, maybe an NIL battle, who really knows.

If it's only because he hates ND, then that makes him stupid and he is not helping his former student.

(For the record my best two heavy lifts were getting a girl into UNC-Ch after she had flunked out of Wingate College and at mid semester and helping to get a girl out of a mountain holler in NC and into State College's Vet school - in both cases you need something to work with the Vet is now a Vet and I am damn proud of her, the other dropped out of UNC after a year)

Got a good story for you. My son was interested in an AFROTC scholarship. We applied to NCSt and Miami since they both have VG meteorology programs. My kid was a varsity athlete captain (in XC), HS valedictorian of a medium sized HS in Texas but his SAT was only 1390. Classic overachiever. A NCSt administrator met us for lunch on the school visit to recruit him. My son was accepted and he was going to seriously consider it but rejected for the Honors Program. That was quite a blow. He decided to take the appointment to West Point and finished with Honors there. Switched his degree to another STEM degree.

Is NCSt stingy with Honors College appointments to out of state students? This was back in 2002/3.

(02-05-2022 08:13 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 04:05 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  We need more bagman . I hope that our alumni start really showing up and throwing money at athletes. I will contribute, but I am not a billionaire. We have some incredibly rich alumni, just need them to jump aboard.

You call it the “Recruiting Staff” but in reality it’s a sales force, entertainment department, and when necessary a bagman brigade.

A football program that isn’t pushing NIL isn’t really recruiting in 2022. Here in Louisville corporations are being approached to offer NIL opportunities for recruits.

The old saying “If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying” is no longer just a disparaging comment about your rival. It’s a business plan.

I would have been such an easy recruit: pretty girl with ample assets on the visit, SOLD!

(02-06-2022 12:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 01:50 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 09:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 09:07 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  LMFAO... you'd think domers would be used to people not liking them. I'm sure Narduzzi wasn't fond of Kelly. Who would be? He's a louse. Coaches don't dislike schools because of the schools, they don't like them because of the ass holes working for them.

But clearly you didn't even bother to read the full quotes. No one directly connected to a university does the contacting in these situations. That's not how the game works. I'm sure you know that if you weren't being so emotional about someone who dared enough to cite an example of the tampering game that involved the holy dome.

I am never emotional. Not ever. I am about as laid back and unemotional person around.

I just don't like Narduzzi, just like he may dislike Kelly.

So, we are even.

He may think Kelly is a dickhead and I am sure that Narduzzi is one.

I know, you are just too busy to be emotional with all the time you need running to and fro to every sports message board on the internet to defend the honor of the holy dome every time it is mentioned. I've seriously seen bots less effective than you. So congratulations on the continued success of your emotionless mission.

The fact that Narduzzi is getting under domer skins certainly helps confirm to the Pitt fan base that its coach is doing something right.

I am retired. Its a hobby, not an emotion.

Besides, I was a litigation attorney for 32 years. Its kind of fun and instinctual to debate people.

Its interesting that you saying Brian Kelly is a louse is just fine and normal, but me saying Narduzzi is a dickhead is being "emotional".

(I am unemotional enough to admit that both are true statements. Are you?)

Like I said, we are even.

LOL! I don't need to agree with your non-emotional statements about anything. More than just a few public articles out there about how Kelly treats people and his conduct that are easily found with the google machine. Even more non-public stuff out there that is fairly well known. Other than winning football games, which ND devotees like to claim isn't the most important thing, ND should be relieved to see him now ply his methods at place that apologists would insinuate is ethically beneath them.

No matter, the truth is ND operatives were tampering, and ND hasn't been above the fray in a way its acolytes would like to claim that it was. We'll see if anything changes now that Kelly is dancing and twanging away in Baton Rouge or, if ND is continued to be called out in the future as conducting itself just like every other major program, it will still ruffle the feathers of its true believers.

No, college football is a dog eat dog world. I truly hope that ND is conducting itself "just like every other major program", only more so, and is pretty damn relentless and ruthless in doing it.

I have long believed that ND has self-hamstrung itself regarding football. I hope that it gets more serious about doing what it takes to compete in big time football and matches up better with Alabama, Texas A&M, Ohio State, etc.

I don't really care that ND was "called out". I sure do hope ND is out there tampering all over the place, all of the time. I sure hope that they are in the mud and in the fray with the SEC and others.

College football is the Wild West now. ND needs to do whatever it takes to win big.

I hope to see others complaining that ND "sold its soul for football glory" like they did in the Seventies and in the Nineties.

That would be a nice change to see.

My only disappointment in this story is that ND didn't snag Pickett, although Jack Coan did a good job at QB and ND won 11 games.

I commented on this because I just don't like Narduzzi at all.

He is a World Class Ass. Maybe being 0-3 versus ND at Pitt fuels his hate, maybe its going 3-7 versus ND as a coordinator, I don't know.

And yes, I only cared that Brian Kelly won football games. That was his only good attribute.

Many ND fans personally despised him from 2010 on (see Rock's House at NDNation.com), other than the wins.

Nobody ever proclaimed that they thought Kelly was a great guy (Maybe Marcus Freeman is, time will tell).

I lived in Baton Rouge for 36 years, despise LSU's programs and am glad that Kelly is there now. I hope that they enjoy him. He will win a lot there. He will be a dick otherwise.

Winning is the only thing now in college football, well that and money. I hope that ND is "called out" all of the time.

That will show that ND is now serious about competing in modern football.

I want ND to do what it takes to win, whatever it is.

So, your "acolyte" and "true believer" stuff is BS. You miss the mark there.

No "holier than thou" stuff from me. Just win, baby.

That, and stay football independent while doing it. That is all I care about here.

(02-07-2022 11:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 12:23 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-06-2022 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 01:50 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 09:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I am never emotional. Not ever. I am about as laid back and unemotional person around.

I just don't like Narduzzi, just like he may dislike Kelly.

So, we are even.

He may think Kelly is a dickhead and I am sure that Narduzzi is one.

I know, you are just too busy to be emotional with all the time you need running to and fro to every sports message board on the internet to defend the honor of the holy dome every time it is mentioned. I've seriously seen bots less effective than you. So congratulations on the continued success of your emotionless mission.

The fact that Narduzzi is getting under domer skins certainly helps confirm to the Pitt fan base that its coach is doing something right.

I am retired. Its a hobby, not an emotion.

Besides, I was a litigation attorney for 32 years. Its kind of fun and instinctual to debate people.

Its interesting that you saying Brian Kelly is a louse is just fine and normal, but me saying Narduzzi is a dickhead is being "emotional".

(I am unemotional enough to admit that both are true statements. Are you?)

Like I said, we are even.

LOL! I don't need to agree with your non-emotional statements about anything. More than just a few public articles out there about how Kelly treats people and his conduct that are easily found with the google machine. Even more non-public stuff out there that is fairly well known. Other than winning football games, which ND devotees like to claim isn't the most important thing, ND should be relieved to see him now ply his methods at place that apologists would insinuate is ethically beneath them.

No matter, the truth is ND operatives were tampering, and ND hasn't been above the fray in a way its acolytes would like to claim that it was. We'll see if anything changes now that Kelly is dancing and twanging away in Baton Rouge or, if ND is continued to be called out in the future as conducting itself just like every other major program, it will still ruffle the feathers of its true believers.

No, college football is a dog eat dog world. I truly hope that ND is conducting itself "just like every other major program", only more so, and is pretty damn relentless and ruthless in doing it.

I have long believed that ND has self-hamstrung itself regarding football. I hope that it gets more serious about doing what it takes to compete in big time football and matches up better with Alabama, Texas A&M, Ohio State, etc.

I don't really care that ND was "called out". I sure do hope ND is out there tampering all over the place, all of the time. I sure hope that they are in the mud and in the fray with the SEC and others.

College football is the Wild West now. ND needs to do whatever it takes to win big.

I hope to see others complaining that ND "sold its soul for football glory" like they did in the Seventies and in the Nineties.

That would be a nice change to see.

My only disappointment in this story is that ND didn't snag Pickett, although Jack Coan did a good job at QB and ND won 11 games.

I commented on this because I just don't like Narduzzi at all.

He is a World Class Ass. Maybe being 0-3 versus ND at Pitt fuels his hate, maybe its going 3-7 versus ND as a coordinator, I don't know.

And yes, I only cared that Brian Kelly won football games. That was his only good attribute.

Many ND fans personally despised him from 2010 on (see Rock's House at NDNation.com), other than the wins.

Nobody ever proclaimed that they thought Kelly was a great guy (Maybe Marcus Freeman is, time will tell).

I lived in Baton Rouge for 36 years, despise LSU's programs and am glad that Kelly is there now. I hope that they enjoy him. He will win a lot there. He will be a dick otherwise.

Winning is the only thing now in college football, well that and money. I hope that ND is "called out" all of the time.

That will show that ND is now serious about competing in modern football.

I want ND to do what it takes to win, whatever it is.

So, your "acolyte" and "true believer" stuff is BS. You miss the mark there.

No "holier than thou" stuff from me. Just win, baby.

That, and stay football independent while doing it. That is all I care about here.

Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Glad we can straighten that out for you. What a relief !!!

ND is different than a number of schools when it comes to academics and athletes in that it requires more than NCAA minimums for admission (more core courses required, a First Year of Studies curriculum for all incoming freshmen, including calculus) and has a higher grad rate for players.

It also has more restrictive requirements for undergraduate transfers as well.

It is not exactly Stanford, but it isn't Mississippi State, either.

(I wish ND would loosen the academic stuff for players a bit, but it likely will not)

It is also "different" in that it is a football independent, obviously.

So, yeah. ND is "different" regarding those things.

But otherwise, it is all about money and winning football games, for ND, Pitt and anyone else who wants to compete and stay relevant.

With the transfer portal, NIL and pay for play, there are no "different" schools now when it comes to competing and winning.

You have to do what it takes to survive and thrive this new college football world. So, I can't wait for ND to be "called out", over and over. It will make me smile.

It is now the Wild West. As a Western Pennsylvania native, I wish good luck to Pitt (except when it plays ND). Take care.

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? I know, UNC.

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? UNC?

(02-08-2022 12:04 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? UNC?

Google is your friend. Here is one article on the subject.

"According to interviews and information provided by the university, players must have four college-prep courses and two years of a foreign language to get into the school. Senior admissions officials still interview every potential recruit, peppering them with questions about their bigger academic aspirations and plans for success.

Also unchanged, they say, is the academic rigor required of players once they get in. Players must be prepared for tough math courses (calculus, for most) that are required for freshmen. They must attain a 2.0 GPA by the end of their freshman year and keep it there. In their first year, they undergo near-constant contact with a tutor and monitoring by the provost's office-a process characterized by one former administrator as "constant baby sitting." That oversight, which school spokesman Paul Browne describes as a "structured transition program" where students spend at least eight hours a week in a "monitored environment," ends only once a student's GPA hits at least 2.5.

Senior center Nick Martin still remembers calculus his first year and the demands of mandatory study hall. "The studies are hard; you have to really work to find balance," he said. "When you come here, they say, 'It's a 40-year decision, not a four-year decision.'"

Notre Dame's standards are above the minimum set by the NCAA and, while such requirements vary among schools, Notre Dame has a reputation for being among the most rigorous of competitive Division I programs, surpassed only by Stanford. The university also pulls more students from academically elite private and Catholic schools, which is perhaps their biggest differentiator, said Allen Trieu, a recruiting analyst with Scout.com.

"They are coming from better and more prestigious high schools," he said. "They have more rigorous classes and maybe different academic standards."

For instance, perennial powerhouse Alabama requires just one foreign-language course, less rigorous math and sticks to the NCAA requirement that students must hit a 2.0 around their junior year."



https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-notre-da...1408726455




As far as graduation rates go, there is this:


"According to UND.com (November 17, 2020), here are Notre Dame’s 2020 NCAA figures:

“Notre Dame has claimed the 2020 national championship for graduating student-athletes in all sports–in the process posting the top NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) figure (98) for the 14th straight year.”

“The GSR number for all Notre Dame student-athletes rates the Irish first among the football-playing institutions (tied with Northwestern and Duke) in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A). The 2020 NCAA figures are based on entering classes from 2010 through 2013.”

“In calculations including all student-athletes in all sports, Notre Dame ranks first (at 98) among the FBS schools in the GSR figures, which were initiated in 2005 by the NCAA. Using the federal formula, Notre Dame graduated a four-year average of 92 percent of its student-athletes, behind only Stanford at 93.”

“In addition to its number-one GSR ranking for all student-athletes (98), Notre Dame finished tied for first among female student-athletes at 100, third among male student-athletes at 96 percent.”)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/col...ar-AAMaZG6


As far as ACC schools go, this is from a 2017 article:


"Notre Dame may not be an official member of football in the ACC. But the institution significantly raises the league’s profile in both men’s basketball and baseball, among other sports.

Notre Dame, the national champion for 2017 for Division I in graduation success rate, ties Duke for the ACC lead in men’s basketball with a perfect 100. The Fighting Irish are tied for second with Boston College and Duke in baseball, with a GSR of 95. Only Clemson, who scored a 100 on the diamond, posted a higher figure. Notre Dame’s GSR of 96 in football would tie for first place in the ACC with Duke if the Irish were a full member."


https://accsports.com/acc-news/examining...ess-rates/

(02-08-2022 12:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 12:04 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? UNC?

Google is your friend. Here is one article on the subject.

"According to interviews and information provided by the university, players must have four college-prep courses and two years of a foreign language to get into the school. Senior admissions officials still interview every potential recruit, peppering them with questions about their bigger academic aspirations and plans for success.

Also unchanged, they say, is the academic rigor required of players once they get in. Players must be prepared for tough math courses (calculus, for most) that are required for freshmen. They must attain a 2.0 GPA by the end of their freshman year and keep it there. In their first year, they undergo near-constant contact with a tutor and monitoring by the provost's office-a process characterized by one former administrator as "constant baby sitting." That oversight, which school spokesman Paul Browne describes as a "structured transition program" where students spend at least eight hours a week in a "monitored environment," ends only once a student's GPA hits at least 2.5.

Senior center Nick Martin still remembers calculus his first year and the demands of mandatory study hall. "The studies are hard; you have to really work to find balance," he said. "When you come here, they say, 'It's a 40-year decision, not a four-year decision.'"

Notre Dame's standards are above the minimum set by the NCAA and, while such requirements vary among schools, Notre Dame has a reputation for being among the most rigorous of competitive Division I programs, surpassed only by Stanford. The university also pulls more students from academically elite private and Catholic schools, which is perhaps their biggest differentiator, said Allen Trieu, a recruiting analyst with Scout.com.

"They are coming from better and more prestigious high schools," he said. "They have more rigorous classes and maybe different academic standards."

For instance, perennial powerhouse Alabama requires just one foreign-language course, less rigorous math and sticks to the NCAA requirement that students must hit a 2.0 around their junior year."



https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-notre-da...1408726455

Just so we are clear, you do think ND is different from others. Apparently, winning isn't everything if you are holding yourselves to different standards than everyone else, a standard the university seems to be proud of. I guess it is okay to have higher standards in some things in this age of the "Wild West," but not in others. See, it is just confusing to us non-domers; the seemingly arbitrary determination of which muck is acceptable to wade into, coupled with all the non-emotional, non-acolyte rushes to defend against anything that might make ND seem less special. Understandable confusing though, since leadership like Swarbrick and Jenkins stake out positions like it is okay for players to make money through NIL, just so long as they aren't classified as employees. I guess that is why people feel compelled to rush to a defense of the dome's honor from public statements by people that aren't reading from the Irish handbook of talking points. It would save a lot of consternation if they'd just put a copy of the handbook on the internet for other coaches to read before they speak.

(02-08-2022 01:40 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 12:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 12:04 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 10:57 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Glad we are all on the same page that ND is no different than anywhere else. Sure is funny how there is so much posting from ND fans about being cited as being as such.

Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? UNC?

Google is your friend. Here is one article on the subject.

"According to interviews and information provided by the university, players must have four college-prep courses and two years of a foreign language to get into the school. Senior admissions officials still interview every potential recruit, peppering them with questions about their bigger academic aspirations and plans for success.

Also unchanged, they say, is the academic rigor required of players once they get in. Players must be prepared for tough math courses (calculus, for most) that are required for freshmen. They must attain a 2.0 GPA by the end of their freshman year and keep it there. In their first year, they undergo near-constant contact with a tutor and monitoring by the provost's office-a process characterized by one former administrator as "constant baby sitting." That oversight, which school spokesman Paul Browne describes as a "structured transition program" where students spend at least eight hours a week in a "monitored environment," ends only once a student's GPA hits at least 2.5.

Senior center Nick Martin still remembers calculus his first year and the demands of mandatory study hall. "The studies are hard; you have to really work to find balance," he said. "When you come here, they say, 'It's a 40-year decision, not a four-year decision.'"

Notre Dame's standards are above the minimum set by the NCAA and, while such requirements vary among schools, Notre Dame has a reputation for being among the most rigorous of competitive Division I programs, surpassed only by Stanford. The university also pulls more students from academically elite private and Catholic schools, which is perhaps their biggest differentiator, said Allen Trieu, a recruiting analyst with Scout.com.

"They are coming from better and more prestigious high schools," he said. "They have more rigorous classes and maybe different academic standards."

For instance, perennial powerhouse Alabama requires just one foreign-language course, less rigorous math and sticks to the NCAA requirement that students must hit a 2.0 around their junior year."



https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-notre-da...1408726455

Just so we are clear, you do think ND is different from others. Apparently, winning isn't everything if you are holding yourselves to different standards than everyone else, a standard the university seems to be proud of. I guess it is okay to have higher standards in some things in this age of the "Wild West," but not in others. See, it is just confusing to us non-domers; the seemingly arbitrary determination of which muck is acceptable to wade into, coupled with all the non-emotional, non-acolyte rushes to defend against anything that might make ND seem less special. Understandable confusing though, since leadership like Swarbrick and Jenkins stake out positions like it is okay for players to make money through NIL, just so long as they aren't classified as employees. I guess that is why people feel compelled to rush to a defense of the dome's honor from public statements by people that aren't reading from the Irish handbook of talking points. It would save a lot of consternation if they'd just put a copy of the handbook on the internet for other coaches to read before they speak.

You asked about academics, smarmily. I answered. I did so from articles, not a "handbook of talking points".

I also posted the links for reference.

You must not like the info provided, so you dropped the academic snark.

You then switched to NIL and other things.

I had previously said that only in academics and independence was ND different.

So, your confusion is confusing. Other than academics, I clearly said that ND was no different and would do what it takes to compete.

That obviously includes NIL, recruiting, transfer portal "tampering", etc......

No matter what response was given, I expected return snark from you. You did not disappoint.

(Notice that I have not said one negative thing about Pitt, its alumni or fans in our interaction. Narduzzi, yes. Pitt, no. Unlike you. But, yes. I am the one being "emotional")

Do a Google search. Maybe such a handbook exists. If so, Narduzzi wouldn't read it anyway.

As I said, take care and good luck. Out.

(02-08-2022 01:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 01:40 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 12:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 12:04 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 11:21 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Academics we're different, still have to go to class. But I hope that the donors and university throw as much money as possible at players. I do not like it, but it the game now. We just need some of our billionaire alums to step up.

Different from whom? UNC?

Google is your friend. Here is one article on the subject.

"According to interviews and information provided by the university, players must have four college-prep courses and two years of a foreign language to get into the school. Senior admissions officials still interview every potential recruit, peppering them with questions about their bigger academic aspirations and plans for success.

Also unchanged, they say, is the academic rigor required of players once they get in. Players must be prepared for tough math courses (calculus, for most) that are required for freshmen. They must attain a 2.0 GPA by the end of their freshman year and keep it there. In their first year, they undergo near-constant contact with a tutor and monitoring by the provost's office-a process characterized by one former administrator as "constant baby sitting." That oversight, which school spokesman Paul Browne describes as a "structured transition program" where students spend at least eight hours a week in a "monitored environment," ends only once a student's GPA hits at least 2.5.

Senior center Nick Martin still remembers calculus his first year and the demands of mandatory study hall. "The studies are hard; you have to really work to find balance," he said. "When you come here, they say, 'It's a 40-year decision, not a four-year decision.'"

Notre Dame's standards are above the minimum set by the NCAA and, while such requirements vary among schools, Notre Dame has a reputation for being among the most rigorous of competitive Division I programs, surpassed only by Stanford. The university also pulls more students from academically elite private and Catholic schools, which is perhaps their biggest differentiator, said Allen Trieu, a recruiting analyst with Scout.com.

"They are coming from better and more prestigious high schools," he said. "They have more rigorous classes and maybe different academic standards."

For instance, perennial powerhouse Alabama requires just one foreign-language course, less rigorous math and sticks to the NCAA requirement that students must hit a 2.0 around their junior year."



https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-notre-da...1408726455

Just so we are clear, you do think ND is different from others. Apparently, winning isn't everything if you are holding yourselves to different standards than everyone else, a standard the university seems to be proud of. I guess it is okay to have higher standards in some things in this age of the "Wild West," but not in others. See, it is just confusing to us non-domers; the seemingly arbitrary determination of which muck is acceptable to wade into, coupled with all the non-emotional, non-acolyte rushes to defend against anything that might make ND seem less special. Understandable confusing though, since leadership like Swarbrick and Jenkins stake out positions like it is okay for players to make money through NIL, just so long as they aren't classified as employees. I guess that is why people feel compelled to rush to a defense of the dome's honor from public statements by people that aren't reading from the Irish handbook of talking points. It would save a lot of consternation if they'd just put a copy of the handbook on the internet for other coaches to read before they speak.

You asked about academics, smarmily. I answered. I did so from articles, not a "handbook of talking points".

I also posted the links for reference.

You must not like the info provided, so you dropped the academic snark.

You then switched to NIL and other things.

I had previously said that only in academics and independence was ND different.

So, your confusion is confusing. Other than academics, I clearly said that ND was no different and would do what it takes to compete.

That obviously includes NIL, recruiting, transfer portal "tampering", etc......

No matter what response was given, I expected return snark from you. You did not disappoint.

(Notice that I have not said one negative thing about Pitt, its alumni or fans in our interaction. Narduzzi, yes. Pitt, no. Unlike you. But, yes. I am the one being "emotional")

Do a Google search. Maybe such a handbook exists. If so, Narduzzi wouldn't read it anyway.

As I said, take care and good luck. Out.

So the academic requirements for athletes at Notre Dame are higher those at Mississippi State, but not the of principles governing Irish intercollegiate athletics for, say, "tampering all over the place" that you are advocating for or, say, hiring coaches whose "only good attribute" was "winning football games." Ok, got it. Just confusing then why someone would run around to message board posts defaming an individual for citing an example of something that you are actually advocating for. Seems non-emotional enough.

I will admit, ND is really different for having control over the scheduling of three more football games each year.

(02-07-2022 10:57 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(02-04-2022 08:41 AM)Statefan Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:13 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Narduzzi sounds old school. You can’t position yourself against NIL and the transfer portal…if done right, NIL and the portal help student athletes. He needs to be specific on how to improve things. When he mentions ND seeking Pickett, then it’s wrong when a ND coach or an administrator makes an overture.

One man's advice is another man's overture.

From time to time I have had parents ask me to help their kid get into a specific college or university. (NC State's Vet School is the hardest followed by VT's, then UNC's Medical School for what I call "normal great students"). Now, unless they can catch and throw a football or put a basketball into a hoop no one cares about my sporting interests. I would hate like Hell to steer a good football or basketball player to UNC, but if it's what the parents want and the kid's not harmed, I will help.

I once helped a girl get into South Carolina, do you know how difficult it was to go along with that - I told her if she went to Clemson she could get a job and a husband, no she wanted to study ******* psychology in Columbia of all places because a high school friend was there. I asked the girl point blank - "are you a lesbian, are you in love with this girl, what job has she got line up, do you expect your parents to look after you in the future".

Her response was, "my sexuality is none of your business and my friends are my friends". To which I said "you missed the ironic implication of my questioning and avoided answering the big question - what do you expect to do in the future - the other was just rhetoric to throw you off your game". "I want to help people", she said. I appreciated her moxie as I banged my head against my desk.

My point is that without context from Pickett, all Narduzi is doing is ginning up a smoke screen for something else - maybe a current recruiting battle, maybe an NIL battle, who really knows.

If it's only because he hates ND, then that makes him stupid and he is not helping his former student.

(For the record my best two heavy lifts were getting a girl into UNC-Ch after she had flunked out of Wingate College and at mid semester and helping to get a girl out of a mountain holler in NC and into State College's Vet school - in both cases you need something to work with the Vet is now a Vet and I am damn proud of her, the other dropped out of UNC after a year)

Got a good story for you. My son was interested in an AFROTC scholarship. We applied to NCSt and Miami since they both have VG meteorology programs. My kid was a varsity athlete captain (in XC), HS valedictorian of a medium sized HS in Texas but his SAT was only 1390. Classic overachiever. A NCSt administrator met us for lunch on the school visit to recruit him. My son was accepted and he was going to seriously consider it but rejected for the Honors Program. That was quite a blow. He decided to take the appointment to West Point and finished with Honors there. Switched his degree to another STEM degree.

Is NCSt stingy with Honors College appointments to out of state students? This was back in 2002/3.

They use actual interviews in the decision making process. The out of state element would have played into only on the margins but since they only accept about 150 a year it's hyper competitive and you never know the mix you are up against. There could have been 2 like him or 20 like him in the pool. Anything "strange and different" has an advantage over the vanilla over achieving student. If your grandfather escaped the Khmer Rouge, and you mother escaped Rwanda, and you started the first pre-school needle exchange program in bum **** West Va and you have the grades - you are in. On top of that there are quite literally a 50-150 donors and friends of NC State that if they want a kid considered they will be considered, and then about 20-30 that if they want a kid admitted they will be admitted. But it's like that most everywhere. Your experience is a single year, the programs get reviewed over a rolling 5-10 years so for instance you kid might have been accepted the year before and the year after.

It's also not beyond the pale to not offer a kid because you think he should go elsewhere - happens more than some folks realize. If State knew that West Point wanted him, some at State would step back. I had a female student at VT and she was having some problems and I found out that she was New Orleans and driving from Blackburg Va to DC for chemo. She had never realized that she could just transfer to Tulane for a semester or two and be at home.

I had a child that wanted to get into Honors at Carolina but was always denied. Still took about 5 Honors classes and made better grades than the rest. An Assistant Dean of Arts and Sciences said "no one cares about it once you are in Graduate school or have a job".

Carolina runs two colleges within the college - Honors Carolina and Robertson Scholars which is partnered with Duke. The Robertson program is the most prestigious and UNC and Duke uses it on likely Rhodes, Truman, Marshall program folks and people they think might go into the academy. It's egg head training.