Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Post less moving forward

-thanks

Well, I wouldnt go that far... how about this...

Post less when you are drunk moving forward

-thanks

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA? I don't think so. I bet there is a percentage that know from day one that they will not make it to the NBA but still have a competitive drive and want to win at this level. What that percentage number is, I don't know. If your definition of next level is G League or a professional league in a foreign country, the percentage may be higher but still not 100%.

The number of players on our team who think they are NBA caliber is probably pretty high. Dandridge believed himself a two and done. We have several players with NBA level potential but not many with the motor.

Duren and Minott are NBA bound. Bates might make it but so far he is a bust. Not sure he has the work ethic to last even if drafted.

Nolley probably goes to Europe. Timberlake needs a jump shot and has an outside chance on a few years.

Dont see Quinones in the NBA, certainly not anyone else on our squad for that matter. Duren and Minott will likely have really nice careers.

Nothing wrong with having a nice college experience, getting your degree and moving on.

Minott may be a better pro than Duren, tough to tell but they both have "it". Not really sure anyone else on our team does. That should be enough to lead us into the post season if the players roles were clearly defined,. Instead Penny plays "positionless" basketball which fails to take advantages of what should be his primary weapons..

It is very, very frustrating to watch.

(02-02-2022 11:07 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA?

Yes. The overwhelming majority of high D-1 basketball players think they are going to the NBA. When I was closely involved with the players at ORU (low D-1), even many of them thought they had a legit shot at the NBA...if only the coach would use them right, more minutes, more shots, etc.

(02-02-2022 12:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 11:07 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA?

Yes. The overwhelming majority of high D-1 basketball players think they are going to the NBA. When I was closely involved with the players at ORU (low D-1), even many of them thought they had a legit shot at the NBA...if only the coach would use them right, more minutes, more shots, etc.

Then you agree with me. "Overwhelming majority" does not equal 100%.

(02-02-2022 12:32 PM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 12:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 11:07 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA?

Yes. The overwhelming majority of high D-1 basketball players think they are going to the NBA. When I was closely involved with the players at ORU (low D-1), even many of them thought they had a legit shot at the NBA...if only the coach would use them right, more minutes, more shots, etc.

Then you agree with me. "Overwhelming majority" does not equal 100%.

You have to define at this level. Does that mean every player in every program? Highly touted and recruited players from high school? Starters at D1 high-majors? If you want to pick nits and get ultra-specific, it's helpful to know definitive parameters on the front-end.

(02-02-2022 12:37 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 12:32 PM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 12:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 11:07 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA?

Yes. The overwhelming majority of high D-1 basketball players think they are going to the NBA. When I was closely involved with the players at ORU (low D-1), even many of them thought they had a legit shot at the NBA...if only the coach would use them right, more minutes, more shots, etc.

Then you agree with me. "Overwhelming majority" does not equal 100%.

You have to define at this level. Does that mean every player in every program? Highly touted and recruited players from high school? Starters at D1 high-majors? If you want to pick nits and get ultra-specific, it's helpful to know definitive parameters on the front-end.

Since Tigermoon started this thread with that phrase, I'll let him define at this level before I defend what I said. I assumed he meant all players for D1 programs, but I may have misunderstood what he meant.

(02-02-2022 08:47 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Post less moving forward

-thanks

How about you “post” less, it’s my opinion

There’s“Drama” everywhere, even a school like “Gonzaga” has drama, our drama is no different than anyone else’s, all of these players are trying to get to the same play, the pro’s, most of them will not make it, to be a coach in any of today’s sports, the drama as we as fans call it will always be there, I if you are the best team or the worst team or somewhere in the middle, it’s going to be some kind of drama, the 2008 team had drama, it is what it is,

(02-02-2022 12:32 PM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 12:18 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 11:07 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:10 AM)Tigermoon Wrote:  Drama on any team is all in the minds of “us” as fans of these teams, weather it be pro sports or college, it is what it is , at this level all of these kids and there “family’s” are trying to get to the next level” I think what is happening with the bates group is the emergence of “josh” and it has taken on a drive of its on, an its a beautiful thing, penny and the players know this, if everyone comes back they will be better, but the drama will always be here and everywhere else, we have to live with it, check out the drama not in the “NFL” and we have not heard of the information that is about to. One out from John Gruden yet, more “drama”

Do you really think ALL kids at this level are trying to make it to the NBA?

Yes. The overwhelming majority of high D-1 basketball players think they are going to the NBA. When I was closely involved with the players at ORU (low D-1), even many of them thought they had a legit shot at the NBA...if only the coach would use them right, more minutes, more shots, etc.

Then you agree with me. "Overwhelming majority" does not equal 100%.

I don't think I'd say 100% about anything, other than death and taxes.

Hey OP, how about this? Learn to use a freaking period. Your word salad is pretty much unreadable, which makes me really question the authenticity of whatever point it is you are trying to make.

(02-02-2022 01:23 PM)Tigermoon Wrote:  There’s“Drama” everywhere, even a school like “Gonzaga” has drama, our drama is no different than anyone else’s, all of these players are trying to get to the same play, the pro’s, most of them will not make it, to be a coach in any of today’s sports, the drama as we as fans call it will always be there, I if you are the best team or the worst team or somewhere in the middle, it’s going to be some kind of drama, the 2008 team had drama, it is what it is,

Our current team has more drama than any Tiger team I can remember. More than Tic Price, more than the Grey and Alexander debacle. Stupid and foolish to say that our drama is no different than anyone else's. Not true

(02-02-2022 01:09 PM)Tigermoon Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:47 AM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  Post less moving forward

-thanks

How about you “post” less, it’s my opinion

You tell'm, TM...

(02-02-2022 03:23 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 01:23 PM)Tigermoon Wrote:  There’s“Drama” everywhere, even a school like “Gonzaga” has drama, our drama is no different than anyone else’s, all of these players are trying to get to the same play, the pro’s, most of them will not make it, to be a coach in any of today’s sports, the drama as we as fans call it will always be there, I if you are the best team or the worst team or somewhere in the middle, it’s going to be some kind of drama, the 2008 team had drama, it is what it is,

Our current team has more drama than any Tiger team I can remember. More than Tic Price, more than the Grey and Alexander debacle. Stupid and foolish to say that our drama is no different than anyone else's. Not true

Cal's teams had plenty of drama. Difference was things were better contained back then. And the team was winning bigly.

(02-02-2022 05:32 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 03:23 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 01:23 PM)Tigermoon Wrote:  There’s“Drama” everywhere, even a school like “Gonzaga” has drama, our drama is no different than anyone else’s, all of these players are trying to get to the same play, the pro’s, most of them will not make it, to be a coach in any of today’s sports, the drama as we as fans call it will always be there, I if you are the best team or the worst team or somewhere in the middle, it’s going to be some kind of drama, the 2008 team had drama, it is what it is,

Our current team has more drama than any Tiger team I can remember. More than Tic Price, more than the Grey and Alexander debacle. Stupid and foolish to say that our drama is no different than anyone else's. Not true

Cal's teams had plenty of drama. Difference was things were better contained back then. And the team was winning bigly.

I remember some games where Cal had 6 players on the bench.

(02-02-2022 12:12 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  The number of players on our team who think they are NBA caliber is probably pretty high. Dandridge believed himself a two and done. We have several players with NBA level potential but not many with the motor.

Duren and Minott are NBA bound. Bates might make it but so far he is a bust. Not sure he has the work ethic to last even if drafted.

Nolley probably goes to Europe. Timberlake needs a jump shot and has an outside chance on a few years.

Dont see Quinones in the NBA, certainly not anyone else on our squad for that matter. Duren and Minott will likely have really nice careers.

Nothing wrong with having a nice college experience, getting your degree and moving on.

Minott may be a better pro than Duren, tough to tell but they both have "it". Not really sure anyone else on our team does. That should be enough to lead us into the post season if the players roles were clearly defined,. Instead Penny plays "positionless" basketball which fails to take advantages of what should be his primary weapons..

It is very, very frustrating to watch.

I've yet to see anything from Duren that recommends him over Minott. Duren isn't nearly as smooth, he doesn't attack the basket like he's trying to kill it and he sure doesn't hustle nearly as much as Josh. None of which is to say he isn't NBA good and won't have a great career there.

Man, y'all are hard on the noobs.