I’m not sure the hockey moves happen. But if Quinnipiac did join Hockey East, I think it is more likely you see RIT join the ECAC. And I’m not sure that AHA takes LIU at this point. They are going to need to demonstrate they are funding the sport at a D1 level for a few years at least. There is also question about Robert Morris’ survival… a completely crowdsourced program is always going to be on a year to year basis.

(03-10-2022 01:22 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:39 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I have a theory on CAA team #14 so I will leave that for the end.

I think ultimately Bryant and Quinnipiac head to the AE, and Quinnipiac heads to Hockey East.

That leaves AE with 10.

The MAAC would be down to 9 with the defection of Quinnipiac. I think the MAAC grabs Wagner to get to 10. Wagner goes to the OVC-Big South for football.

The NEC responds by adding New Haven and Stonehill (both D2 programs).

My pick for CAA #14 is Howard. I think they are waiting for one or two football-playing D2 HBCUs to announce they are joining the MEAC for next year.

Bonus: I think Tennessee State and Clark Atlanta (D2) are headed to the SWAC.

This leaves the OVC with 9. Instead of going back into the D2 pool, they add Chicago State to get back to 10.

Who in the MEAC footprint that's HBCU is ready to move up from the CIAA or eastern SIAC? Especially if Clark Atlanta would be going to the SWAC? I say Tuskegee might get that 14th spot but idk.

Last year the two most likely candidates, Bowie State and Virginia State, both said they were not interested and there's been nothing more said since. This is the first mention of Clark Atlanta and D1 I've seen.

the HBCU guys that said Hampton and NC A&T were going to the CAA and Tenn St. talking w/ SWAC said Clark Atl. I just said Tuskegee because that would seem like the most known D-II school that the SWAC would take.

(03-10-2022 02:32 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:22 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(03-10-2022 01:05 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:39 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I have a theory on CAA team #14 so I will leave that for the end.

I think ultimately Bryant and Quinnipiac head to the AE, and Quinnipiac heads to Hockey East.

That leaves AE with 10.

The MAAC would be down to 9 with the defection of Quinnipiac. I think the MAAC grabs Wagner to get to 10. Wagner goes to the OVC-Big South for football.

The NEC responds by adding New Haven and Stonehill (both D2 programs).

My pick for CAA #14 is Howard. I think they are waiting for one or two football-playing D2 HBCUs to announce they are joining the MEAC for next year.

Bonus: I think Tennessee State and Clark Atlanta (D2) are headed to the SWAC.

This leaves the OVC with 9. Instead of going back into the D2 pool, they add Chicago State to get back to 10.

Who in the MEAC footprint that's HBCU is ready to move up from the CIAA or eastern SIAC? Especially if Clark Atlanta would be going to the SWAC? I say Tuskegee might get that 14th spot but idk.

Last year the two most likely candidates, Bowie State and Virginia State, both said they were not interested and there's been nothing more said since. This is the first mention of Clark Atlanta and D1 I've seen.

the HBCU guys that said Hampton and NC A&T were going to the CAA and Tenn St. talking w/ SWAC said Clark Atl. I just said Tuskegee because that would seem like the most known D-II school that the SWAC would take.

I'll have to catch up with their reports. I don't know how much it means to a D1 move but Clark Atlanta just got put on a minor 1 year infractions probation. D2 will deny an applicant from NAIA if they are on NAIA probation.

(03-10-2022 02:01 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I’m not sure the hockey moves happen. But if Quinnipiac did join Hockey East, I think it is more likely you see RIT join the ECAC. And I’m not sure that AHA takes LIU at this point. They are going to need to demonstrate they are funding the sport at a D1 level for a few years at least. There is also question about Robert Morris’ survival… a completely crowdsourced program is always going to be on a year to year basis.

OK, I swapped Sacred Heart and RIT and dropped LIU, RMU, and Stonehill from Atlantic Hockey.

(03-09-2022 10:11 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Looking for feedback from anyone who's more knowledgeable about Northeast college sports (NOT DavidSt). Taking some semi-educated guesses as to how the chess match will play out. Only considering the major men's team sports (basketball, baseball, football, soccer, lacrosse, hockey). I'm also assuming the A-10 will be successful in their effort to sponsor lacrosse, which would likely mean the SoCon drops lacrosse as the A-10 adds its programs. Hartford, Monmouth, and Stony Brook have already announced their moves. Below is all speculation.

Bryant
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to AEC
FB from NEC to OVC

Fairfield
BSK, BSE, SOC from MAAC to CAA

Quinnipiac
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from MAAC to AEC
HOC from ECACH to HEA

RIT
HOC from AHA to ECACH

Sacred Heart
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

St. Bonaventure
LAX from MAAC to A-10

St. Joseph's
LAX from NEC to A-10

Wagner
BSK, BSE, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

Bentley
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC, LAX from D2 NE10 to NEC

New Haven
BSK, BSE, FB from D2 NE10 to NEC

Queens
BSK, BSE, SOC from D2 SAC to Big South
LAX from D2 SAC to NEC

Stonehill
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC from D2 NE10 to NEC
HOC from D2 NE10 to D1 Ind

In summary:

America East Conference (AEC)

• Basketball (10): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Baseball (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC
• Soccer (9): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Lacrosse (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
  

Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC)

• Basketball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Baseball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Soccer (9): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's
• Lacrosse (6): Canisius, Manhattan, Marist, Sacred Heart, Siena, Wagner
  

Northeast Conference (NEC)

• Basketball (10): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill
• Baseball (8): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, Stonehill
• Football (7+1): Bentley, CCSU, LIU, Merrimack, New Haven, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Duquesne*
• Soccer (9+1): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Howard*
• Lacrosse (4+2): Bentley, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, Hobart*, Queens*
  

Hockey East Association (HEA)

• Hockey (12): Boston College, Boston U, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Merrimack, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, Vermont
  

ECAC Hockey (ECACH)

• Hockey (12): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RIT, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, Yale
  

Atlantic Hockey Association (AHA)

• Hockey (9): AIC, Air Force, Army, Bentley, Canisius, Holy Cross, Mercyhurst, Niagara, Sacred Heart
  

And the FB programs of Bryant, Sacred Heart, and Wagner are relegated to the OVC/Big South collab.

Switched things around a bit, thinking that the MAAC is more likely to restock from the NEC than from D2. So here the MAAC takes Sacred Heart in addition to Wagner, and New Haven joins the NEC instead of the MAAC. Not sure if Sacred Heart is a likely add for the MAAC though. Let me know what you think!

(03-11-2022 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:11 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Looking for feedback from anyone who's more knowledgeable about Northeast college sports (NOT DavidSt). Taking some semi-educated guesses as to how the chess match will play out. Only considering the major men's team sports (basketball, baseball, football, soccer, lacrosse, hockey). I'm also assuming the A-10 will be successful in their effort to sponsor lacrosse, which would likely mean the SoCon drops lacrosse as the A-10 adds its programs. Hartford, Monmouth, and Stony Brook have already announced their moves. Below is all speculation.

Bryant
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to AEC
FB from NEC to OVC

Fairfield
BSK, BSE, SOC from MAAC to CAA

Quinnipiac
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from MAAC to AEC
HOC from ECACH to HEA

RIT
HOC from AHA to ECACH

Sacred Heart
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

St. Bonaventure
LAX from MAAC to A-10

St. Joseph's
LAX from NEC to A-10

Wagner
BSK, BSE, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

Bentley
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC, LAX from D2 NE10 to NEC

New Haven
BSK, BSE, FB from D2 NE10 to NEC

Queens
BSK, BSE, SOC from D2 SAC to Big South
LAX from D2 SAC to NEC

Stonehill
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC from D2 NE10 to NEC
HOC from D2 NE10 to D1 Ind

In summary:

America East Conference (AEC)

• Basketball (10): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Baseball (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC
• Soccer (9): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Lacrosse (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
  

Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC)

• Basketball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Baseball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Soccer (9): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's
• Lacrosse (6): Canisius, Manhattan, Marist, Sacred Heart, Siena, Wagner
  

Northeast Conference (NEC)

• Basketball (10): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill
• Baseball (8): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, Stonehill
• Football (7+1): Bentley, CCSU, LIU, Merrimack, New Haven, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Duquesne*
• Soccer (9+1): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Howard*
• Lacrosse (4+2): Bentley, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, Hobart*, Queens*
  

Hockey East Association (HEA)

• Hockey (12): Boston College, Boston U, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Merrimack, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, Vermont
  

ECAC Hockey (ECACH)

• Hockey (12): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RIT, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, Yale
  

Atlantic Hockey Association (AHA)

• Hockey (9): AIC, Air Force, Army, Bentley, Canisius, Holy Cross, Mercyhurst, Niagara, Sacred Heart
  

And the FB programs of Bryant, Sacred Heart, and Wagner are relegated to the OVC/Big South collab.

Switched things around a bit, thinking that the MAAC is more likely to restock from the NEC than from D2. So here the MAAC takes Sacred Heart in addition to Wagner, and New Haven joins the NEC instead of the MAAC. Not sure if Sacred Heart is a likely add for the MAAC though. Let me know what you think!

If the AEC takes Quinnipiac and Bryant.
If the MAAC goes to 12. Wagner, Mt St Mary's, F.Dickinson. All guesses since Wagner was wanted last time. Will they be cool w/ football somewhere other than the NEC? The other 2 don't have it so it sounds easy. If the NEC lets the fb members stay as fb only then Wagner, LIU, Sacred Heart sound good.

(03-11-2022 06:29 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  

(03-11-2022 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And the FB programs of Bryant, Sacred Heart, and Wagner are relegated to the OVC/Big South collab.

If Duquesne would switch, then you would have in the "OVC/Big South:

Midwest/Midsouth (5) after Murray State and Tennessee State leave and Lindenwood joins: E Illinois, SE Missouri, Tennessee Tech, UT Martin, and Lindenwood:

Southeast: (3) after Monmouth, Hampton, NCA&T leave: Campbell, Charleston Southern, and Gardner-Webb.

Northeast: (5) Bryant, Sacred Heart, Wagner, Duquesne, and Robert Morris.

So why don't the northeastern schools start looking for a 6th? URI? Dayton?

(03-11-2022 04:40 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(03-09-2022 10:11 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Looking for feedback from anyone who's more knowledgeable about Northeast college sports (NOT DavidSt). Taking some semi-educated guesses as to how the chess match will play out. Only considering the major men's team sports (basketball, baseball, football, soccer, lacrosse, hockey). I'm also assuming the A-10 will be successful in their effort to sponsor lacrosse, which would likely mean the SoCon drops lacrosse as the A-10 adds its programs. Hartford, Monmouth, and Stony Brook have already announced their moves. Below is all speculation.

Bryant
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to AEC
FB from NEC to OVC

Fairfield
BSK, BSE, SOC from MAAC to CAA

Quinnipiac
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from MAAC to AEC
HOC from ECACH to HEA

RIT
HOC from AHA to ECACH

Sacred Heart
BSK, BSE, SOC, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

St. Bonaventure
LAX from MAAC to A-10

St. Joseph's
LAX from NEC to A-10

Wagner
BSK, BSE, LAX from NEC to MAAC
FB from NEC to OVC

Bentley
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC, LAX from D2 NE10 to NEC

New Haven
BSK, BSE, FB from D2 NE10 to NEC

Queens
BSK, BSE, SOC from D2 SAC to Big South
LAX from D2 SAC to NEC

Stonehill
BSK, BSE, FB, SOC from D2 NE10 to NEC
HOC from D2 NE10 to D1 Ind

In summary:

America East Conference (AEC)

• Basketball (10): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Baseball (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, Maine, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC
• Soccer (9): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, New Hampshire, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
• Lacrosse (8): Albany, Binghamton, Bryant, NJIT, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, UMBC, Vermont
  

Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC)

• Basketball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Baseball (10): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's, Wagner
• Soccer (9): Canisius, Iona, Manhattan, Marist, Niagara, Rider, Sacred Heart, Siena, St. Peter's
• Lacrosse (6): Canisius, Manhattan, Marist, Sacred Heart, Siena, Wagner
  

Northeast Conference (NEC)

• Basketball (10): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill
• Baseball (8): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, New Haven, Stonehill
• Football (7+1): Bentley, CCSU, LIU, Merrimack, New Haven, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Duquesne*
• Soccer (9+1): Bentley, CCSU, FDU, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, St. Francis-NY, St. Francis-PA, Stonehill, Howard*
• Lacrosse (4+2): Bentley, LIU, Merrimack, Mount St. Mary's, Hobart*, Queens*
  

Hockey East Association (HEA)

• Hockey (12): Boston College, Boston U, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Merrimack, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence, Quinnipiac, UMass Lowell, Vermont
  

ECAC Hockey (ECACH)

• Hockey (12): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RIT, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, Yale
  

Atlantic Hockey Association (AHA)

• Hockey (9): AIC, Air Force, Army, Bentley, Canisius, Holy Cross, Mercyhurst, Niagara, Sacred Heart
  

And the FB programs of Bryant, Sacred Heart, and Wagner are relegated to the OVC/Big South collab.

Switched things around a bit, thinking that the MAAC is more likely to restock from the NEC than from D2. So here the MAAC takes Sacred Heart in addition to Wagner, and New Haven joins the NEC instead of the MAAC. Not sure if Sacred Heart is a likely add for the MAAC though. Let me know what you think!

I’m just not sold on the idea that QU wants to go to Hockey East. They’ve more or less had an open invite for several years (since ND left) and the administration has publicly denied interest in HEA & stated several times how happy they are in the ECAC and to be competing with the Ivies/top liberal arts colleges that are also there. Plus, it isn’t like they need a competitive upgrade, necessarily - they’ve played for 2 national titles, won 4-5 conference titles (I believe) and been a 1 seed in the tournament several times since ~2013.

I’ll try to dig up the quotes if anyone wants citations on any of this.

(03-12-2022 04:45 AM)TexasCat Wrote:  I’m just not sold on the idea that QU wants to go to Hockey East. They’ve more or less had an open invite for several years (since ND left) and the administration has publicly denied interest in HEA & stated several times how happy they are in the ECAC and to be competing with the Ivies/top liberal arts colleges that are also there. Plus, it isn’t like they need a competitive upgrade, necessarily - they’ve played for 2 national titles, won 4-5 conference titles (I believe) and been a 1 seed in the tournament several times since ~2013.

I’ll try to dig up the quotes if anyone wants citations on any of this.

I certainly don't claim to know what Quinnipiac's intentions are, but that's exactly the kind of stuff a school says, right up until the point they announce they're leaving the conference.

(03-12-2022 11:17 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 04:45 AM)TexasCat Wrote:  I’m just not sold on the idea that QU wants to go to Hockey East. They’ve more or less had an open invite for several years (since ND left) and the administration has publicly denied interest in HEA & stated several times how happy they are in the ECAC and to be competing with the Ivies/top liberal arts colleges that are also there. Plus, it isn’t like they need a competitive upgrade, necessarily - they’ve played for 2 national titles, won 4-5 conference titles (I believe) and been a 1 seed in the tournament several times since ~2013.

I’ll try to dig up the quotes if anyone wants citations on any of this.

I certainly don't claim to know what Quinnipiac's intentions are, but that's exactly the kind of stuff a school says, right up until the point they announce they're leaving the conference.

No definitely. It’s just that they repeated it when speculation was happening in 2015-17 and haven’t needed to repeat it since. Hockey East would take them anytime, but QU seems very happy where they are - the proof being that they are still in the ECAC.

(03-12-2022 11:17 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 04:45 AM)TexasCat Wrote:  I’m just not sold on the idea that QU wants to go to Hockey East. They’ve more or less had an open invite for several years (since ND left) and the administration has publicly denied interest in HEA & stated several times how happy they are in the ECAC and to be competing with the Ivies/top liberal arts colleges that are also there. Plus, it isn’t like they need a competitive upgrade, necessarily - they’ve played for 2 national titles, won 4-5 conference titles (I believe) and been a 1 seed in the tournament several times since ~2013.

I’ll try to dig up the quotes if anyone wants citations on any of this.

I certainly don't claim to know what Quinnipiac's intentions are, but that's exactly the kind of stuff a school says, right up until the point they announce they're leaving the conference.

No definitely. It’s just that they repeated it when speculation was happening in 2015-17 and haven’t needed to repeat it since. Hockey East would take them anytime, but QU seems very happy where they are - the proof being that they are still in the ECAC.