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Goodness. They need a disclaimer before that.

The details for those not wanting the details: she tells how he raped her.

A former captain of the Western Michigan University hockey team has pleaded guilty to seduction. (Aug. 22, 2022):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0UQKIMXhaA

More info here:

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

It sounds like he won't get any jail/prison time, and as part of the Holmes Youthful Trainee act, his record won't reflect exactly what his crime was.

According to this explanation of the crime of seduction, he also won't have to register as a sexual offender.

https://www.zeinehlaw.com/how-the-little...duct-cases

Reads like he's getting off pretty light.

(08-22-2022 07:55 PM)Taz Wrote:  More info here:

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

It sounds like he won't get any jail/prison time, and as part of the Holmes Youthful Trainee act, his record won't reflect exactly what his crime was.

According to this explanation of the crime of seduction, he also won't have to register as a sexual offender.

https://www.zeinehlaw.com/how-the-little...duct-cases

Yeah thats not surprising that he doesnt have to register as a sex offender, normally you only have to do that if you commit the crime against a minor.

I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

(08-24-2022 11:27 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

Just take a look at what's happening in Hockey Canada right now

(08-24-2022 11:27 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

USA Hockey and SafeSport do a really good job of keeping people with records like his away from kids, regardless of reporting requirements. Hockey Canada on the other hand.....

I'm just glad it is over . It has been a black eye on WMU hockey and I want to move forward .

(08-25-2022 07:47 AM)moe24 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 11:27 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

USA Hockey and SafeSport do a really good job of keeping people with records like his away from kids, regardless of reporting requirements. Hockey Canada on the other hand.....

I am literally the SafeSport rep (on the executive board) for my son’s program. SafeSport sets the procedures to follow. I will reserve comment about USA Hockey/SafeSport and/or MAHA.

(08-30-2022 03:33 PM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:47 AM)moe24 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 11:27 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

USA Hockey and SafeSport do a really good job of keeping people with records like his away from kids, regardless of reporting requirements. Hockey Canada on the other hand.....

I am literally the SafeSport rep (on the executive board) for my son’s program. SafeSport sets the procedures to follow. I will reserve comment about USA Hockey/SafeSport and/or MAHA.

That's awesome. Good for you.

In my son's program, as far as I've seen, the standard set is very high and is strictly followed.

(08-30-2022 05:38 PM)moe24 Wrote:  

(08-30-2022 03:33 PM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  

(08-25-2022 07:47 AM)moe24 Wrote:  

(08-24-2022 11:27 AM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I don’t want to be insensitive to the victim, but It will be interesting to see where Washe ends up…

Will this be the end of the line for hockey?

Doubtful…in my opinion. Hockey has a strong fraternity…he will end up making money playing somewhere for a minute, until he washes out…and with the reporting requirements off the table…he will be doing camps and coaching some youth hockey team in Metro Detroit within the next 5 years.

USA Hockey and SafeSport do a really good job of keeping people with records like his away from kids, regardless of reporting requirements. Hockey Canada on the other hand.....

I am literally the SafeSport rep (on the executive board) for my son’s program. SafeSport sets the procedures to follow. I will reserve comment about USA Hockey/SafeSport and/or MAHA.

That's awesome. Good for you.

In my son's program, as far as I've seen, the standard set is very high and is strictly followed.

Some programs are great. I don’t mean to paint with a broad brush. But I will say that ethics and adherence to SafeSport policies start and stop with the individual programs. Sounds like your program is pointed in the correct direction.

I'd say he's getting off light but the charge is from a bygone age people said was outdated & hurt people (they probably argued it hurt women of all people). He s/b back on the team. .____.

"Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars"

Or they undercharged him, I suppose.

https://www.zeinehlaw.com/how-the-little...duct-cases
Interesting article that explains how they still find use for it:
"This allowed the prosecutor’s office to secure convictions and place the men under supervision while acknowledging the victim in the case. The major benefit for these men with their pleas is their avoidance of the requirements of the Michigan Sex Offender Registry."

Ha ha, I was right:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l.../33556649/

"Michigan has had similar seduction and debauchery laws on the books since the 19th century, said Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning, who called the statute “a relic of a bygone era.”

But “as long as it’s on the books, it is available for prosecutors to use,” said Henning, noting plea deals in sexual assault cases can allow for a conviction without the victim taking the witness stand."

I think he s/b back on the team.

& then the ACLU says 'they shouldn't be using these charges'. Well, then have the prosecution charge something different, or it's no case. Or this one works. Not hard! You don't have to update a law if a case isn't there. It's called they don't have the case they think they have so they want to change the rules.

IMO, I never heard of of someone being convicted of "seduction". I agree with you Bronco14, the prosecutor may being using this old statue to get a conviction as it appears there was a good chance Washe would not be convicted of a rape charge.

It looks to me to be a win/win for both parties, as they both get something out of this.

I wonder what other states have a law like this on the books? Can you imagine all those pro athletes, famous musicians, actors who are at risk for violating this statue?

(09-01-2022 10:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Ha ha, I was right:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l.../33556649/

"Michigan has had similar seduction and debauchery laws on the books since the 19th century, said Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning, who called the statute “a relic of a bygone era.”

But “as long as it’s on the books, it is available for prosecutors to use,” said Henning, noting plea deals in sexual assault cases can allow for a conviction without the victim taking the witness stand."

I think he s/b back on the team.

& then the ACLU says 'they shouldn't be using these charges'. Well, then have the prosecution charge something different, or it's no case. Or this one works. Not hard! You don't have to update a law if a case isn't there. It's called they don't have the case they think they have so they want to change the rules.

You think he should be back on the team?? F that he was a predator with a history of despicable behavior. If his teammates had any sense they'd have given him a swift beating vigilante style. But I've been to house parties with WMU hockey players and they were all entitled predatory goons thinking any woman was theirs for the taking.

Western Michigan hockey captain sentenced after pleading to seduction

https://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/202...ction.html

(09-01-2022 10:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Ha ha, I was right:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l.../33556649/

"Michigan has had similar seduction and debauchery laws on the books since the 19th century, said Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning, who called the statute “a relic of a bygone era.”

But “as long as it’s on the books, it is available for prosecutors to use,” said Henning, noting plea deals in sexual assault cases can allow for a conviction without the victim taking the witness stand."

I think he s/b back on the team.

& then the ACLU says 'they shouldn't be using these charges'. Well, then have the prosecution charge something different, or it's no case. Or this one works. Not hard! You don't have to update a law if a case isn't there. It's called they don't have the case they think they have so they want to change the rules.

Give me a break. It's pretty easy to get laid as a hockey player at WMU without even coming close to skirting the law. Washe is a multiple-time offending creep who finally got caught. Screw him.

(09-02-2022 11:33 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  You think he should be back on the team?? F that he was a predator with a history of despicable behavior. If his teammates had any sense they'd have given him a swift beating vigilante style. But I've been to house parties with WMU hockey players and they were all entitled predatory goons thinking any woman was theirs for the taking.

Amen

(09-01-2022 10:29 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Ha ha, I was right:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l.../33556649/

"Michigan has had similar seduction and debauchery laws on the books since the 19th century, said Wayne State University law professor Peter Henning, who called the statute “a relic of a bygone era.”

But “as long as it’s on the books, it is available for prosecutors to use,” said Henning, noting plea deals in sexual assault cases can allow for a conviction without the victim taking the witness stand."

I think he s/b back on the team.

& then the ACLU says 'they shouldn't be using these charges'. Well, then have the prosecution charge something different, or it's no case. Or this one works. Not hard! You don't have to update a law if a case isn't there. It's called they don't have the case they think they have so they want to change the rules.

It's like you relish in having the dumbest takes possible.