(08-30-2022 04:13 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 09:52 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 06:40 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:59 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let’s be honest here—the better ACC and PAC 12 teams aren’t going to ever get paired with the weak Big 10 teams. The weak Big Teams are going to get the Wakes and Wazzous so if you’re Illinois, NW, Purdue, or Rutgers you really are exchanging a rotation that includes the top Big 10 teams from the other division for someone else’s little sister program. The Big 10 East schools are always going to have the Big 3 of Mich/Penn St/Ohio St every other year so Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland won’t be hurt as much but if you’re Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Minnesota this definitely means fewer visits from the Big 10 standard bearers.

I'd say for Rutgers, we'd much rather keep annual games against the four top tier teams in the East, over playing any of the ACC, B12 or PAC schools. Those four bring fan interest and put fans in the seats. Other than those four, probably only Wisky out of the West moves the needle for fans. If you are talking about trading a game vs Neb for say one of the former BE ACC schools, that is a trade that most Rutgers fans would make.

What is Rutgers' opinion on Maryland and vice versa? I interpret you guys being rivals by circumstance rather than anything natural. You both think of Penn State as your number one rival in the conference but Maryland/Rutgers is next due to proximity and coming into the conference together. If the B10 went divisionless, I assume Rutgers and Maryland would want PSU and each other to be two of the locked annual opponents. Am I off base?

I personally think that RU and Md end up being each other's biggest rival some day and I'm good with that. Most, if not all RU and Md fans who have heard me say that think I'm nuts. We have next to no history with each other prior to joining the BIG. Both fan bases see PSU as their biggest rival in conference. PSU sees us both only as opponents. Right now any rivalry we have with each other is out of circumstance, based on proximity, joining at the same time and going after the same recruits. Still these things can't be forced, otherwise we end up with some fake rivalry trophy game forced on us by the conference like Neb/Wisky.

We stopped playing our rival in 1980 and no school has replaced Princeton in football, and Seton Hall is our rival in basketball.

The Big East didn't do anything to cultivate a rivalry although we had one developing with Connecticut in the BE 2.0 era (we had also played them a lot before the 1A/1AA split). During BE 1.0 we were mediocre to horrible, so nothing really developed there.

The "rival" would be Penn State because we have a history with Penn State, going back to our Eastern 8/Atlantic 10 days, and in basketball and other sports, sure. In football, it's too lopsided.

Maryland feels a little forced.

Adding this point -- if the fanbases of your conference mates have a feeling of disgust (i.e. "Why are we stuck playing them"), a rivalry will never develop. SO -- "Unrivaled" may be something we have in common with Penn State. Just not with the same connotation.

(02-08-2022 06:40 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:59 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 01:58 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 06:46 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  To be fair, if you're going to use the least-interesting Pac-12 and ACC teams, you should do the same with the Big Ten:

A) Rutgers
B) Washington St
C) Wake Forest

I agree with you, Mark, a bit of cherry picking going on.

I wish tOSU had a permanent game against one of FSU, VT, NC State, Georgia Tech, Washington or USC. Out of the SEC I'd be ok with Texas A&M, Florida or Georgia.

For Nebraska give me, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, VT, Miami or North Carolina. Out of the SEC, Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU or Auburn.

Let’s be honest here—the better ACC and PAC 12 teams aren’t going to ever get paired with the weak Big 10 teams. The weak Big Teams are going to get the Wakes and Wazzous so if you’re Illinois, NW, Purdue, or Rutgers you really are exchanging a rotation that includes the top Big 10 teams from the other division for someone else’s little sister program. The Big 10 East schools are always going to have the Big 3 of Mich/Penn St/Ohio St every other year so Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland won’t be hurt as much but if you’re Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Minnesota this definitely means fewer visits from the Big 10 standard bearers.

I'd say for Rutgers, we'd much rather keep annual games against the four top tier teams in the East, over playing any of the ACC, B12 or PAC schools. Those four bring fan interest and put fans in the seats. Other than those four, probably only Wisky out of the West moves the needle for fans. If you are talking about trading a game vs Neb for say one of the former BE ACC schools, that is a trade that most Rutgers fans would make.

What is Rutgers' opinion on Maryland and vice versa? I interpret you guys being rivals by circumstance rather than anything natural. You both think of Penn State as your number one rival in the conference but Maryland/Rutgers is next due to proximity and coming into the conference together. If the B10 went divisionless, I assume Rutgers and Maryland would want PSU and each other to be two of the locked annual opponents. Am I off base?

As a Rutgers fan I would want PSU and Maryland on the schedule every year. Maryland is becoming a rival and they are both easy drives for Rutgers fans. I'm sure we are beneath Penn State fans notice, but they are definitely the school we hate the most.

(08-31-2022 12:13 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 06:40 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:59 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 01:58 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I agree with you, Mark, a bit of cherry picking going on.

I wish tOSU had a permanent game against one of FSU, VT, NC State, Georgia Tech, Washington or USC. Out of the SEC I'd be ok with Texas A&M, Florida or Georgia.

For Nebraska give me, Colorado, Utah, Arizona, VT, Miami or North Carolina. Out of the SEC, Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU or Auburn.

Let’s be honest here—the better ACC and PAC 12 teams aren’t going to ever get paired with the weak Big 10 teams. The weak Big Teams are going to get the Wakes and Wazzous so if you’re Illinois, NW, Purdue, or Rutgers you really are exchanging a rotation that includes the top Big 10 teams from the other division for someone else’s little sister program. The Big 10 East schools are always going to have the Big 3 of Mich/Penn St/Ohio St every other year so Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland won’t be hurt as much but if you’re Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Minnesota this definitely means fewer visits from the Big 10 standard bearers.

I'd say for Rutgers, we'd much rather keep annual games against the four top tier teams in the East, over playing any of the ACC, B12 or PAC schools. Those four bring fan interest and put fans in the seats. Other than those four, probably only Wisky out of the West moves the needle for fans. If you are talking about trading a game vs Neb for say one of the former BE ACC schools, that is a trade that most Rutgers fans would make.

What is Rutgers' opinion on Maryland and vice versa? I interpret you guys being rivals by circumstance rather than anything natural. You both think of Penn State as your number one rival in the conference but Maryland/Rutgers is next due to proximity and coming into the conference together. If the B10 went divisionless, I assume Rutgers and Maryland would want PSU and each other to be two of the locked annual opponents. Am I off base?

As a Rutgers fan I would want PSU and Maryland on the schedule every year. Maryland is becoming a rival and they are both easy drives for Rutgers fans. I'm sure we are beneath Penn State fans notice, but they are definitely the school we hate the most.

State Penn will push hard for Ohio State (I would think) as a protected game. Do they think of Michigan State as a rival?

(09-01-2022 11:32 AM)megadrone Wrote:  

(08-31-2022 12:13 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 06:40 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:59 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 05:47 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let’s be honest here—the better ACC and PAC 12 teams aren’t going to ever get paired with the weak Big 10 teams. The weak Big Teams are going to get the Wakes and Wazzous so if you’re Illinois, NW, Purdue, or Rutgers you really are exchanging a rotation that includes the top Big 10 teams from the other division for someone else’s little sister program. The Big 10 East schools are always going to have the Big 3 of Mich/Penn St/Ohio St every other year so Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland won’t be hurt as much but if you’re Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, or Minnesota this definitely means fewer visits from the Big 10 standard bearers.

I'd say for Rutgers, we'd much rather keep annual games against the four top tier teams in the East, over playing any of the ACC, B12 or PAC schools. Those four bring fan interest and put fans in the seats. Other than those four, probably only Wisky out of the West moves the needle for fans. If you are talking about trading a game vs Neb for say one of the former BE ACC schools, that is a trade that most Rutgers fans would make.

What is Rutgers' opinion on Maryland and vice versa? I interpret you guys being rivals by circumstance rather than anything natural. You both think of Penn State as your number one rival in the conference but Maryland/Rutgers is next due to proximity and coming into the conference together. If the B10 went divisionless, I assume Rutgers and Maryland would want PSU and each other to be two of the locked annual opponents. Am I off base?

As a Rutgers fan I would want PSU and Maryland on the schedule every year. Maryland is becoming a rival and they are both easy drives for Rutgers fans. I'm sure we are beneath Penn State fans notice, but they are definitely the school we hate the most.

State Penn will push hard for Ohio State (I would think) as a protected game. Do they think of Michigan State as a rival?

I don't. I think we got them to end the season because Michigan of course had Ohio State to end the season. Now with two Eastern Big Ten teams in the conference and Ohio State, Michigan State's expendable. I'd rather play Michigan annually too.