Allen received a flagrant-2 ejection and 1-game suspension for this hit on Alex Caruso, which led to a wrist injury (his injury will force him to miss 6-8 weeks as a result).

POS.

The swing with the other arm is what got him. For the record, the first half was a basketball play and Caruso was going to hit the deck like he did just from that. ( i am not a fan of Allen at all, either)

That's not a basketball play. It was allowed during the 80s and 90s, but he had no play on the ball and is default is cheap and dirty...that is his instinct. I'm not trying to change your opinion on that though. The two aspects that are truly revealing are the fact that he never checked on Caruso. He had not an ounce of concern (almost as if the outcome was intended, uh?), and the fact that he was laughing while it was reviewed, and smirking after he was ejected.

Nation, also what I understand about Caruso is that he'll be re-evaluated in 6-8 weeks. His timetable to return may be longer.

Woj reported today that the NBA wasn't planning to suspend him until it was confirmed that Caruso required surgery, and they didn't consider his antics in Durham as part of his history (I agree with that TBH).

I hope someone hurts him, Charles Oakley style. Kid is a thug and will deserves whatever comes his way. In baseball, though, we wouldn't retaliate against Allen, it would be Giannis that paid. While I don't want Giannis to get hurt, his teammates and organization can't keep enabling his behavior. That message becomes clearer when it the team pays. Allen missing a single game doesn't matter at all to Milwaukee.

(01-25-2022 03:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  That's not a basketball play. It was allowed during the 80s and 90s, but he had no play on the ball and is default is cheap and dirty...that is his instinct. I'm not trying to change your opinion on that though. The two aspects that are truly revealing are the fact that he never checked on Caruso. He had not an ounce of concern (almost as if the outcome was intended, uh?), and the fact that he was laughing while it was reviewed, and smirking after he was ejected.

Nation, also what I understand about Caruso is that he'll be re-evaluated in 6-8 weeks. His timetable to return may be longer.

Woj reported today that the NBA wasn't planning to suspend him until it was confirmed that Caruso required surgery, and they didn't consider his antics in Durham as part of his history (I agree with that TBH).

I hope someone hurts him, Charles Oakley style. Kid is a thug and will deserves whatever comes his way. In baseball, though, we wouldn't retaliate against Allen, it would be Giannis that paid. While I don't want Giannis to get hurt, his teammates and organization can't keep enabling his behavior. That message becomes clearer when it impacts the stars.

His left hand was on the ball for the first 3 seconds of the play. The swing with the right hand is what's dirty. Let's face it doesn't matter what Allen does you'd hate him, as a Carolina fan that's your job. Even the announcer says it's a hard foul initially but it's the wind up that's the problem. He did foul through with the left hand too which is a bit much. But they are coming from different directions he definitely doesn't deserve the benefit of any doubt.

(01-25-2022 03:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  His left hand was on the ball for the first 3 seconds of the play.

I'm not sure what replay you're watching. I watched it live and have seen it from every angle. It looks like the back of his hand touches the ball, but the initial contact was his forearm to Caruso's elbow.

(01-25-2022 03:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Even the announcer says it's a hard foul initially but it's the wind up that's the problem.

I like JVG, but he's wrong in this case. There are plenty of NBA players that disagree with him, but I drew my own conclusion without their input. Yes, it's completely tainted by his days in Durham; it may not surprise you that I'm also a Bulls fan. I'm completely biased, but Allen is a thug. Screw him!

(01-25-2022 03:19 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  The two aspects that are truly revealing are the fact that he never checked on Caruso. He had not an ounce of concern (almost as if the outcome was intended, uh?), and the fact that he was laughing while it was reviewed, and smirking after he was ejected.

Being a player who fouls hard and plays in your face, hard-nosed defense isn't a problem. It's being dirty and THEN acting like what is mentioned above by Bricks is why everyone outside of Duke fans can't stand him, and why he's just an overall POS.

Part of that may be nervous laughter, as some people have that odd reaction in situations when it's not warranted, but the smirk after the ejection and the fact HE knows this is his legacy throughout his ENTIRE basketball career is what is truly troubling. I don't care if he's everyone's favorite angel at practice with his teammates. It's how he plays the game, and how he plays it in public that warrants the harsh public criticism. Honestly, IMO, a person like him has no business playing the game, and certainly not for the sum of money these guys are making.

His laugh has everything to do with perception and his legacy, no different than Rasheed Wallace. He used to smile, smirk and laugh at technicals because he was getting them on legacy and not necessarily the paly itself. Allen falls into the same category (because of his own doing in the past, multiple times)

(01-25-2022 03:47 PM)dan10 Wrote:  His laugh has everything to do with perception and his legacy, no different than Rasheed Wallace. He used to smile, smirk and laugh at technicals because he was getting them on legacy and not necessarily the paly itself. Allen falls into the same category (because of his own doing in the past, multiple times)

Huge difference between how Rasheed Wallace played and how Grayson Allen plays. Sheed played tough and hard, and would demonstratively lash out when called for a foul, and that's how he earned a fair share of those T's. Grayson Allen makes explicitly dirty plays that aren't even part of basketball. I'm not a Bulls fan, and I agree with Bricks. He's a thug in a basketball uniform. In most of those situations, he knows he's beat and the lesser player and makes a dangerous, physical play not even going for the ball, but maliciously going after a player's body. He's a complete POS, in my book.

(01-25-2022 03:43 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-25-2022 03:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  His left hand was on the ball for the first 3 seconds of the play.

I'm not sure what replay you're watching. I watched it live and have seen it from every angle. It looks like the back of his hand touches the ball, but the initial contact was his forearm to Caruso's elbow.

(01-25-2022 03:28 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Even the announcer says it's a hard foul initially but it's the wind up that's the problem.

I like JVG, but he's wrong in this case. There are plenty of NBA players that disagree with him, but I drew my own conclusion without their input. Yes, it's completely tainted by his days in Durham; it may not surprise you that I'm also a Bulls fan. I'm completely biased, but Allen is a thug. Screw him!

I didn't see the smirking and I'm in no way sticking up for him as a player/ person, he's a POS. I just don't think the play itself until the second arm swings warrants the reaction it's gotten, but i understand why it has. When you act like a POS you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
I don't follow the NBA close enough anymore to care, they are all over paid whiny, entitled babies that for the most part play a terrible brand of hoops. But, that's more the old dude getting off my lawn in me LOL

(01-25-2022 04:01 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I just don't think the play itself until the second arm swings warrants the reaction it's gotten, but i understand why it has. When you act like a POS you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

That is really where I am with it. He has not earned the benefit of the doubt. The first part was a hard foul being beat that happens pretty frequently. He tries to show getting the ball and made sure he didnt make the basket. It was an attempt at the ball, though. The follow-through, different story.