(01-26-2022 03:15 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Working on typing up everything now, but I can share a few nuggets:

MVC plans on a 20 game schedule for the foreseeable future. Nothing on divisions. League will consider adding new sports and/or playing other championship events (besides basketball, of course) in Chicago, but nothing is concrete yet.

MVC change will be for next season. UIC paid an entrance fee and an exit fee to the Horizon, and plans on scheduling horizon league programs in the near future as well.

MVC also confirmed they may expand again but did not offer at timeline OR an "institutional fit" that they'd target.

Do you think they have a chance at getting Wichita State back?

(02-09-2022 10:43 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:15 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Working on typing up everything now, but I can share a few nuggets:

MVC plans on a 20 game schedule for the foreseeable future. Nothing on divisions. League will consider adding new sports and/or playing other championship events (besides basketball, of course) in Chicago, but nothing is concrete yet.

MVC change will be for next season. UIC paid an entrance fee and an exit fee to the Horizon, and plans on scheduling horizon league programs in the near future as well.

MVC also confirmed they may expand again but did not offer at timeline OR an "institutional fit" that they'd target.

Do you think they have a chance at getting Wichita State back?

This is just my educated guess, but I can't see that happening without a lot of further defections from the AAC (and that may not even be enough). Even with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF, the AAC will continue to have Memphis, Temple and SMU at a minimum. The AAC is still a deeper basketball league that pays more money (and I say that as someone with a lot of personal affinity for the MVC).

(02-09-2022 10:20 AM)stever20 Wrote:  So honest question, why are teams announcing in season when they could announce after the conference tournaments? You get knocked out on Monday, your announcement is on realignment Tuesday. Conferences want to be a douche, fight fire with fire.

I think it's just the nature that you have to take conference realignment opportunities whenever they might fall on the calendar. It's like a job opening - if there's a good fit, then it behooves both the employer and employee to lock it down immediately even if you have to give something up in the short term. Having a large time gap allows either party to change their minds.

(02-09-2022 10:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:43 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:15 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Working on typing up everything now, but I can share a few nuggets:

MVC plans on a 20 game schedule for the foreseeable future. Nothing on divisions. League will consider adding new sports and/or playing other championship events (besides basketball, of course) in Chicago, but nothing is concrete yet.

MVC change will be for next season. UIC paid an entrance fee and an exit fee to the Horizon, and plans on scheduling horizon league programs in the near future as well.

MVC also confirmed they may expand again but did not offer at timeline OR an "institutional fit" that they'd target.

Do you think they have a chance at getting Wichita State back?

This is just my educated guess, but I can't see that happening without a lot of further defections from the AAC (and that may not even be enough). Even with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF, the AAC will continue to have Memphis, Temple and SMU at a minimum. The AAC is still a deeper basketball league that pays more money (and I say that as someone with a lot of personal affinity for the MVC).

The new AAC's 5-year KenPom is 11th. The new MVC's 5-year KenPom is 10th.

But that won't matter. What matters is WSU earns through $2 million annually from the AAC's tv deal through 2032 and their contract with the AAC calls for a $5 million exit fee.

(02-09-2022 11:04 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:43 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-26-2022 03:15 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  Working on typing up everything now, but I can share a few nuggets:

MVC plans on a 20 game schedule for the foreseeable future. Nothing on divisions. League will consider adding new sports and/or playing other championship events (besides basketball, of course) in Chicago, but nothing is concrete yet.

MVC change will be for next season. UIC paid an entrance fee and an exit fee to the Horizon, and plans on scheduling horizon league programs in the near future as well.

MVC also confirmed they may expand again but did not offer at timeline OR an "institutional fit" that they'd target.

Do you think they have a chance at getting Wichita State back?

This is just my educated guess, but I can't see that happening without a lot of further defections from the AAC (and that may not even be enough). Even with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF, the AAC will continue to have Memphis, Temple and SMU at a minimum. The AAC is still a deeper basketball league that pays more money (and I say that as someone with a lot of personal affinity for the MVC).

The new AAC's 5-year KenPom is 11th. The new MVC's 5-year KenPom is 10th.

But that won't matter. What matters is WSU earns through $2 million annually from the AAC's tv deal through 2032 and their contract with the AAC calls for a $5 million exit fee.

Here's the problem with going on that. The 6 new teams are going to be getting a lot more money than they used to. So for one won't have to do as many buy games. Also will be able to hire/retain better coaches(see Tulane and Ron Hunter as a good example) and improve facilities.

This situation is just getting absurd now.

Havent blocked me yet lol, but I did call the league office and commissioner this AM.

The Illinois Chicago coach made a plea on social media; hoping people lay in to America East, Colonial and Horizon for these shenanigans

(02-09-2022 02:23 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The Illinois Chicago coach made a plea on social media; hoping people lay in to America East, Colonial and Horizon for these shenanigans

Dont schools vote and approve these types of bylaws and rules?

I'll say it again: The NCAA should take away the March Madness autobid of any conference that declares a member's teams ineligible just because that member is leaving the conference.

That's the only way to stop this bullsheet.

(02-09-2022 02:25 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 02:23 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The Illinois Chicago coach made a plea on social media; hoping people lay in to America East, Colonial and Horizon for these shenanigans

Dont schools vote and approve these types of bylaws and rules?

Yes, University presidents of the respective conferences.

Its dumb but University presidents are like untouchable bureaucrats. They will be there longer than temporary bad press

Public shaming is the oniy way to end this chicanery, but I just don't see enough people caring

(02-09-2022 02:23 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  The Illinois Chicago coach made a plea on social media; hoping people lay in to America East, Colonial and Horizon for these shenanigans

Luke Yaklich rose from HS History Teacher in IL to Final Four assistant to UIC Head Coach. He’s an awesome person.

This is really poor from the Horizon League. And it's not just men's hoops, I feel awful for women's basketball, their very successful baseball program, and also the softball team that won't get to defend their crown from last season. I'd love to see the Valley make a unilateral move to stop playing the Horizon League and supporting Indianapolis businesses too that are in cahoots with the Horizon League.

What a **** move by the Horizon (only compounded by their calculated decision in blocking writers to ask questions on the subject). What goes around, comes around. This will come back and bite them in some form.

It's just dumb

Do these leagues think the administration is hurt by the half year ban? Get your financial pound of flesh sure, but the teams play

You're hurting the senior softball outfielder for more than you are hurting the person(s) that actually made the decisions.

And what do you gain by it??

So dumb

(02-09-2022 02:27 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I'll say it again: The NCAA should take away the March Madness autobid of any conference that declares a member's teams ineligible just because that member is leaving the conference.

That's the only way to stop this bullsheet.

IIRC, the HL is saying that UIC did not give one year's notice as required by the conference bylaws.

If so, then IMO the HL is justified in making this decision.

(02-09-2022 02:52 PM)solohawks Wrote:  You're hurting the senior softball outfielder for more than you are hurting the person(s) that actually made the decisions.

The administrators are showing who they are again...
Not
Concerned
About
Athletes

Is anyone else not bothered by the Horizon League's move to ban UIC? It's literally in the bylaws that UIC agreed to. This is only happening because UIC annouced their intent to leave without the required 12 month notice.

UIC is essentially breaking their contract/agreement with the HL. Am I getting this wrong?

(02-09-2022 03:05 PM)stpnum4 Wrote:  Is anyone else not bothered by the Horizon League's move to ban UIC? It's literally in the bylaws that UIC agreed to. This is only happening because UIC annouced their intent to leave without the required 12 month notice.

UIC is essentially breaking their contract/agreement with the HL. Am I getting this wrong?

Well yeah, I said the same thing a couple posts up. :)

If the HL bylaws are that you have to give a minimum of 12 months notice, then I agree the HL ban is justified. Basically, UIC is leaving the championships sooner than it was supposed to (it was supposed to be in the HL for one more year) so the league is removing UIC from the championships sooner as well.

Others can call this spiteful if they want, but IMO notice-rules serve a legitimate purpose in that they help a conference respond to an unexpected loss of membership. And heck, by the standards of other leagues, 12 months is not a lot of notice. Some require 27 months, etc.

(02-09-2022 03:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 03:05 PM)stpnum4 Wrote:  Is anyone else not bothered by the Horizon League's move to ban UIC? It's literally in the bylaws that UIC agreed to. This is only happening because UIC annouced their intent to leave without the required 12 month notice.

UIC is essentially breaking their contract/agreement with the HL. Am I getting this wrong?

Well yeah, I said the same thing a couple posts up. :)

If the HL bylaws are that you have to give a minimum of 12 months notice, then I agree the HL ban is justified. Basically, UIC is leaving the championships sooner than it was supposed to (it was supposed to be in the HL for one more year) so the league is removing UIC from the championships sooner as well.

Others can call this spiteful if they want, but IMO notice-rules serve a legitimate purpose in that they help a conference solidify itself. And heck, by the standards of other leagues, 12 months is not a lot of notice. Some require 27 months, etc.

That's my understanding of the situation. So unless additional info comes to light, it looks like UIC is at fault. UIC's ineptitute is what's penalizing UIC student athletes.