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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 05:15 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe there was a report that Thompson (MWC) wasn't interested in Texas State or UTEP.

Personally, I think Texas State needs to start gauging C-USA's interest, because I think the Belt is looking to tighten up their geography. And the western most members haven't been a priority for the Sun Belt.

With that being said:

SBC ===> CUSA
TXST
ULL
ULM

CUSA ===> SBC
MTSU
WKU
FIU

TX & LA schools reunited under shotgun wedding...
CUSA gets west of MS River schools...
SBC gets east of MS River schools...
Exception is ARST but would be an outlier but in a state adjacent to MTSU & WKU...
Geographically logical...
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:55 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 05:15 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe there was a report that Thompson (MWC) wasn't interested in Texas State or UTEP.

Personally, I think Texas State needs to start gauging C-USA's interest, because I think the Belt is looking to tighten up their geography. And the western most members haven't been a priority for the Sun Belt.

With that being said:

SBC ===> CUSA
TXST
ULL
ULM

CUSA ===> SBC
MTSU
WKU
FIU

TX & LA schools reunited under shotgun wedding...
CUSA gets west of MS River schools...
SBC gets east of MS River schools...
Exception is ARST but would be an outlier but in a state adjacent to MTSU & WKU...
Geographically logical...

If the Belt wanted those C-USA programs they would have taken them when they added Marshall, ODU, & Southern Miss. ULL has no reason to move to C-USA. And, no one wants ULM. They will always be in the Belt, or at least until they can no longer remain an FBS program.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:55 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 05:15 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe there was a report that Thompson (MWC) wasn't interested in Texas State or UTEP.

Personally, I think Texas State needs to start gauging C-USA's interest, because I think the Belt is looking to tighten up their geography. And the western most members haven't been a priority for the Sun Belt.

With that being said:

SBC ===> CUSA
TXST
ULL
ULM

CUSA ===> SBC
MTSU
WKU
FIU

TX & LA schools reunited under shotgun wedding...
CUSA gets west of MS River schools...
SBC gets east of MS River schools...
Exception is ARST but would be an outlier but in a state adjacent to MTSU & WKU...
Geographically logical...

A good plan and so logical it would never happen COGS
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:55 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 05:15 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  I believe there was a report that Thompson (MWC) wasn't interested in Texas State or UTEP.

Personally, I think Texas State needs to start gauging C-USA's interest, because I think the Belt is looking to tighten up their geography. And the western most members haven't been a priority for the Sun Belt.

With that being said:

SBC ===> CUSA
TXST
ULL
ULM

CUSA ===> SBC
MTSU
WKU
FIU

TX & LA schools reunited under shotgun wedding...
CUSA gets west of MS River schools...
SBC gets east of MS River schools...
Exception is ARST but would be an outlier but in a state adjacent to MTSU & WKU...
Geographically logical...

no thanks, we're good. Our divisions are compact, with only TxSt as a true outlier. Once/if they figure Football out, they have just as much potential as UTSA/UNT. I hope they do and they become a part of leapfrogging the AAC in football.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(01-25-2022 12:09 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  If Texas State is offered a position in the MWC, they should jump/run at the opportunity. It's a far better conference than Texas State could hope to join.

That being said, If the AAC loses Memphis and the MWC loses Boise State, I don't see why either SMU or SMU/Rice/Navy wouldn't all join the MWC. It has a much better mix of state flagships, armed forces academies, land grants, etc than the AAC. And being in the Mountain time zone, there's not much further chance of them being raided.

It's geography mostly. Trading out for bad timeslots can be detrimental. There is a reason why the MWC and Pac 12 get a lower share of NY6/Playoff slots than they probably deserve based simply on on-field performance.

It's also hard to make the "low chance of getting raided" argument. That's also true of the MAC, no one is stealing any of Their teams. Plus the MAC at least gets good weeknight timeslots.

Either way, I don't see a team like SMU moving down if they think a move up to the Big12/AAC 2.0 is coming at some point.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

Historically USM is way better if not currently. Plus doesn't the SBC have 2 Louisiana schools in their conference already and didn't have one in Mississippi? USM seems like a no-brainer for the SBC over LA Tech.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 01:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

Historically USM is way better if not currently. Plus doesn't the SBC have 2 Louisiana schools in their conference already and didn't have one in Mississippi? USM seems like a no-brainer for the SBC over LA Tech.

They are a no brainer. Especially considering La Tech has antagonized the Sun Belt and ULM in the past. As a Texas State fan I have no qualms with La Tech though. I think they'd be a great add, but if I had to choose I'd go with USM.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-24-2022 05:23 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  As a Sam Houston fan, I would be very happy with that school in San Marcos. It would help tighten the geography in the CUSA western flank.

Can’t imagine the Bobcats would be thrilled with such a move - being put in a league with Sam - but the Bobcats have basically swindled a decade head start on Sam Houston, have been surpassed (as I guaranteed a decade ago) by UTSA on the football field (and in conference prestige).

Either way, don’t see the San Marcos bunch joining the CUSA.


This is true.

UTSA was the no-brainer choice for the AAC, and that was obvious early on.

Texas State is no further ahead than Sam Houston State right now in football. It would be better for them if they could put pride aside and join the CUSA Texas contingent.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 02:40 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 05:23 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  As a Sam Houston fan, I would be very happy with that school in San Marcos. It would help tighten the geography in the CUSA western flank.

Can’t imagine the Bobcats would be thrilled with such a move - being put in a league with Sam - but the Bobcats have basically swindled a decade head start on Sam Houston, have been surpassed (as I guaranteed a decade ago) by UTSA on the football field (and in conference prestige).

Either way, don’t see the San Marcos bunch joining the CUSA.


This is true.

UTSA was the no-brainer choice for the AAC, and that was obvious early on.

Texas State is no further ahead than Sam Houston State right now in football. It would be better for them if they could put pride aside and join the CUSA Texas contingent.

You realize that the CUSA Texas contingent only comprises of a school that has bad facilities and support and another that is practically in another state right? To flip to a weaker football conference with a terrible tv deal for one school within 3 hours makes no sense. Again, the only positive would be basketball.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 01:57 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:00 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  None of the schools on that list were full members of the conference. I think the Belt is more likely to split than to kick us out. Also theres a big difference between making 4 potential trips to TX vs 1. I know you look down on us for whatever reason but we'll be fine.

FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

Historically USM is way better if not currently. Plus doesn't the SBC have 2 Louisiana schools in their conference already and didn't have one in Mississippi? USM seems like a no-brainer for the SBC over LA Tech.

It's their conference. They can do what they want. But in my opinion, LA Tech currently has the better football and basketball programs.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.
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(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:45 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  FBS conferences don't split. There's no CFP money in splitting and there are no NCAA credits for splitting. The Belt won't split.

The Sun Belt has already isolated Texas State. All but one of your fellow Belt members will be over 400 miles away from San Marcos. This year no Sun Belt championship or conference tournament was located in Texas. The Belt didn't extend any invitations to any schools west of the Mississippi river. Make of that what you wish.

And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

So Louisiana, ULM, and stAte aren't west of the Mississippi?

Were yall run off? Nope.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 08:29 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

So Louisiana, ULM, and stAte aren't west of the Mississippi?

Were yall run off? Nope.

ULL, ULM, & Arkansas St are all located about 50 miles from the Mississippi river. That's why I stated "along the Mississippi river and east".

UNT was not run off. We chose to leave, and it's a good thing we did. Had we stayed, we probably would not have been invited to the AAC.
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(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And what schools west of the Mississippi should the SBC have invited?

LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

You can ask some Idaho and New Mexico State fans, but I'm fairly certain NMSU didn't want to go independent, and Idaho didn't want to drop down to the FCS. Facts.
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 09:00 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 09:53 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  LA Tech would have been a solid addition. Much better than Southern Miss.

So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

You can ask some Idaho and New Mexico State fans, but I'm fairly certain NMSU didn't want to go independent, and Idaho didn't want to drop down to the FCS. Facts.

Idaho and New Mexico State were not run out of the conference. There football membership contract ended per the term of the contract. If both of them did not like the term of there football membership contract they would not have signed them
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RE: Should Texas State Stay East (Sunbelt) or Look to The West (MWC)?
(04-25-2022 09:24 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 09:00 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 07:27 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 06:42 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(04-25-2022 08:03 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  So because the SBC took USM over LaTech, they’re purposely isolating Texas State?

No. LA Tech proved to be the more productive program over the last decade in C-USA. That's why they would have been a better addition to the Sun Belt. USM is struggling in football and basketball. LT is winning at both.

Texas State is isolated because the Belt has managed to run off every Belt program that was located farther west than the Mississippi. TXSU is the last program standing. I'm not making this up. It's a fact.

Which programs have they run off? Facts only please.

You can ask some Idaho and New Mexico State fans, but I'm fairly certain NMSU didn't want to go independent, and Idaho didn't want to drop down to the FCS. Facts.

Idaho and New Mexico State were not run out of the conference. There football membership contract ended per the term of the contract. If both of them did not like the term of there football membership contract they would not have signed them

And they’re also further away from Texas State and not full members. This UNT fan is claiming the SBC ran off teams near TSU “on purpose”, but gives an example of two teams in New Mexico and Idaho, not even close to TSU’s location. Funny.
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