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(02-07-2022 02:52 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You guys continue to underrate Des's accuracy. When you factor degree of difficulty of his passes he was elite in passing accuracy this season. Will it translate to the NFL? That's always hard to be sure of, but Des delivered a ton of passes with tremendous ball placement to all areas of the field all season. He had a higher adjusted competition percentage and more air yards per attempt than the Heisman winner. Short crosses still can be an issue for him, but he showed consistent accuracy to nearly every other part of the field.

Oh, I think he is phenomenal outside the hashes and specifically on flags and mid-out routes...he just has a lot of trouble leading receivers accurately between the hashes, that's always been an issue on inside routes and luckily the offensive gameplan evolved to play to his strengths this year. The inexcusable thing to me was always his under-throwing deep balls when his receivers had top side leverage, everything else was ok. I think he will be a more than serviceable backup with some replacement level upside given the situation and time to develop...as I always have.

(02-07-2022 02:52 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You guys continue to underrate Des's accuracy. When you factor degree of difficulty of his passes he was elite in passing accuracy this season. Will it translate to the NFL? That's always hard to be sure of, but Des delivered a ton of passes with tremendous ball placement to all areas of the field all season. He had a higher adjusted competition percentage and more air yards per attempt than the Heisman winner. Short crosses still can be an issue for him, but he showed consistent accuracy to nearly every other part of the field.

I don't think I am. It's hard for me to believe you watched the games and thought his accuracy was elite. He's a really nice player, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he's a Top 15 QB in the world, which is what you need to be to stay a starter long term in the NFL. He's good at basically everything, but Elite at nothing. Nothing to be ashamed of, but saying we are hating on the guy isn't a fair statement.

(02-07-2022 03:22 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  McShay: I really do like just about everything about Ridder's game. He has the 6-foot-3, 207-pound frame. He's mobile. He has a good arm. And he's a proven winner. But nothing really changed this week with the inconsistent ball placement. He's on the money more often than not but just inexplicably misses in the strike zone on too many passes.

Fowler: NFL teams really want to like Ridder, with his intangibles, size, mobility and pretty good arm strength. "The accuracy is a problem," said an NFC exec, "particularly when under duress." And that issue showed up in spurts during the week, though he did clean up some of those problems during an improved Thursday session. An AFC exec thought he threw it better than expected in Mobile -- "definitely better than against Alabama [in the College Football Playoff]."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft20...pects-more

(02-08-2022 07:23 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:52 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You guys continue to underrate Des's accuracy. When you factor degree of difficulty of his passes he was elite in passing accuracy this season. Will it translate to the NFL? That's always hard to be sure of, but Des delivered a ton of passes with tremendous ball placement to all areas of the field all season. He had a higher adjusted competition percentage and more air yards per attempt than the Heisman winner. Short crosses still can be an issue for him, but he showed consistent accuracy to nearly every other part of the field.

I don't think I am. It's hard for me to believe you watched the games and thought his accuracy was elite. He's a really nice player, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he's a Top 15 QB in the world, which is what you need to be to stay a starter long term in the NFL. He's good at basically everything, but Elite at nothing. Nothing to be ashamed of, but saying we are hating on the guy isn't a fair statement.

I don't want to go all about the eyeballs but the scout quotes and Mark's I agree with. The problem for me is the placement on short routes is critical to keeping drives going and while he's improved intermediate to longer routes he's not great there.

And if I look at production his top passing game was 304 yards. Sure we blew some people out and he would have passed that if we had thrown more but college football is such an offensive game. If he was an elite passer he would have had some huge passing games. 29th in QBR as a 5th year senior on a top 4 team.

I hope he goes #1. I’m not really much of a NFL fan so a team reaching for him won’t impact me a bit.

(02-08-2022 07:38 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 03:22 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  McShay: I really do like just about everything about Ridder's game. He has the 6-foot-3, 207-pound frame. He's mobile. He has a good arm. And he's a proven winner. But nothing really changed this week with the inconsistent ball placement. He's on the money more often than not but just inexplicably misses in the strike zone on too many passes.

Fowler: NFL teams really want to like Ridder, with his intangibles, size, mobility and pretty good arm strength. "The accuracy is a problem," said an NFC exec, "particularly when under duress." And that issue showed up in spurts during the week, though he did clean up some of those problems during an improved Thursday session. An AFC exec thought he threw it better than expected in Mobile -- "definitely better than against Alabama [in the College Football Playoff]."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft20...pects-more

(02-08-2022 07:23 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:52 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  You guys continue to underrate Des's accuracy. When you factor degree of difficulty of his passes he was elite in passing accuracy this season. Will it translate to the NFL? That's always hard to be sure of, but Des delivered a ton of passes with tremendous ball placement to all areas of the field all season. He had a higher adjusted competition percentage and more air yards per attempt than the Heisman winner. Short crosses still can be an issue for him, but he showed consistent accuracy to nearly every other part of the field.

I don't think I am. It's hard for me to believe you watched the games and thought his accuracy was elite. He's a really nice player, don't get me wrong. I just don't think he's a Top 15 QB in the world, which is what you need to be to stay a starter long term in the NFL. He's good at basically everything, but Elite at nothing. Nothing to be ashamed of, but saying we are hating on the guy isn't a fair statement.

I don't want to go all about the eyeballs but the scout quotes and Mark's I agree with. The problem for me is the placement on short routes is critical to keeping drives going and while he's improved intermediate to longer routes he's not great there.

And if I look at production his top passing game was 304 yards. Sure we blew some people out and he would have passed that if we had thrown more but college football is such an offensive game. If he was an elite passer he would have had some huge passing games. 29th in QBR as a 5th year senior on a top 4 team.

This past year, we were always a run 1st type team, plus Fickell doesn't ever want to run up the score on anyone. That certainly effects the numbers of the QB and receivers.

(02-08-2022 08:11 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  This past year, we were always a run 1st type team, plus Fickell doesn't ever want to run up the score on anyone. That certainly effects the numbers of the QB and receivers.

I don't disagree; if I didn't agree with this to a certain extent his production would be more of a massive red flag than just a reason for concern to me. In raising it as a reason for concern I do consider a run oriented offense limited opportunities however I still feel there would have been opportunities for a QB to put up one or two of those wow games if he were a first round talent.

(02-08-2022 09:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 08:11 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  This past year, we were always a run 1st type team, plus Fickell doesn't ever want to run up the score on anyone. That certainly effects the numbers of the QB and receivers.

I don't disagree; if I didn't agree with this to a certain extent his production would be more of a massive red flag than just a reason for concern to me. In raising it as a reason for concern I do consider a run oriented offense limited opportunities however I still feel there would have been opportunities for a QB to put up one or two of those wow games if he were a first round talent.

I agree with your assessment. It may be nitpicking a perfect season but for the sake of this discussion a few games that seemed too close for comfort could have been remedied by as few as half a dozen more completed passes.

I think very highly of Ridder and my hope is for him to be in the NFL for years to come; stay healthy and makes lots of money. But the pass completion questions will continue to be raised until he either overcomes them or is in a perfect situation where those can be minimized on the strength of a particular offensive scheme.

(02-08-2022 10:29 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 09:37 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 08:11 AM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  This past year, we were always a run 1st type team, plus Fickell doesn't ever want to run up the score on anyone. That certainly effects the numbers of the QB and receivers.

I don't disagree; if I didn't agree with this to a certain extent his production would be more of a massive red flag than just a reason for concern to me. In raising it as a reason for concern I do consider a run oriented offense limited opportunities however I still feel there would have been opportunities for a QB to put up one or two of those wow games if he were a first round talent.

I agree with your assessment. It may be nitpicking a perfect season but for the sake of this discussion a few games that seemed too close for comfort could have been remedied by as few as half a dozen more completed passes.

I think very highly of Ridder and my hope is for him to be in the NFL for years to come; stay healthy and makes lots of money. But the pass completion questions will continue to be raised until he either overcomes them or is in a perfect situation where those can be minimized on the strength of a particular offensive scheme.

Fickell was asked about this during one of his mid week press conferences. He basically said his philosophy was team first and by the end of the season guys like Ridder and Pearce would have decent numbers. Probably why Whyle and Taylor both decided to return. Both guys need to step up their games to be considered elite at the next .