Its homecoming weekend. We are coming off a dominating win over Elon. We are about to hit the road for some tough games. This week always had to be a 2-0 week if we wanted to compete for a title. W&M is playing better in conference play but are still not a good team, likely the worst in conference. They are prone to giving up massive runs. We can't overlook this team though as they have shown capable of playing well and beating expected top teams in the CAA. Hope the crowd is large. W&M always travels well to Philly. We should have most of our roster available and we are playing great basketball currently. Hope we run away with this one

W&M- 67
Drexel- 78

Vegas: DU -15

After a fast start and a 21-17 lead with 8:24 left, we struggled bad to finish the half and are down 34-28

Embarrassing. We apparently are content just jacking up 3s and allowing W&M whatever they want. We hit a 3 and took a timeout with just under 10 left, down 60-44 now

U4 timeout and we have clawed from 21 down to cut it to 8. Down 72-64. Just a bad game all around

cut to 4 before W&M ended out 17-0 run

Fell 83-75

Big crowd, flat effort. That wont help bring anyone back thats for sure. Being down 21 to the worst team in the conference isnt good. Nice run to make it look like a game, but it was a bad game overall. Highly disappointing after some really good efforts by us.

This team is frustrating as hell.

(01-22-2022 04:08 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Big crowd, flat effort. That wont help bring anyone back thats for sure. Being down 21 to the worst team in the conference isnt good. Nice run to make it look like a game, but it was a bad game overall. Highly disappointing after some really good efforts by us.

W&M the worst team in conference? That’s debatable. Certainly not true based on the league standings. Beat Hofstra, Northeastern, and Drexel and only lost to JMU in OT.

williams and mary was the tougher team. 24-10 points in the paint in the first half. they weren't afraid to go straight at amari. we kept jacking up threes instead of taking it to the basketball when threes weren't falling.

i feel like we're underachieving. lots of good pieces...but not playing well together. we looked better with a shorter bench. sometimes i feel like we're trying to maximize too many players. at some point i think we should shorten the bench and only use certain pieces when we really need them.

if i'm reading this site right...cam has one of the worst plus/minus stats on the team. he's a terrific player...but sometimes i don't think he has a great feel for the game. he needs a bit of a kick in the ass the get going. it wasn't until the second half that he attacked the basket...and sometimes it was awkward like when he threw up an off balanced shut at the end instead of leaning in for contact.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../2022.html

It was a failed effort today, no doubt about it. A couple of players just didn't show up. I called Martin out for his terrible play. But the guy who was just terrible in his first game back in 3 weeks was Butler. I wonder if EvanJ put a curse on Butler when he predicted him to be POY. I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he's still dealing with injuries but he was just terrible today, 3 points and 3 rebounds. I'm looking for a box score with a +/- but I can't find one. Amari played 26 minutes and Butler played 14 minutes. I would guess that in the 8 point loss, Butler was probably about a -14 and Amari was probably about +6. It seems like things started falling apart after Amari got his second foul and Butler came in the game.

I also hope that Okros is OK. He came out of Thursday's game 5 minutes in and wasn't dressed tonight. They really could have used his 3 point shot tonight.

Wynter is a bit odd. He doesn't seem to do very much in the first half, but he can put up points in bunches in desperate times like he did today.

Well today wasn't a total loss for me. After Drexel crapped the bed in the afternoon, my evening at the Wells Fargo Center turned out better. Wings came back from a 7-4 2nd quarter deficit to score 9 goals in a row and dominated Rochester 18-10, with a crazy, fight filled 2nd half.

1. What hiroshimascarp linked to has "box plus/minus," which is an estimate per 100 possessions. The page does not have +/- while each player was on the court.

2. What I said about Butler was my opinion, not a prediction.

3. All CAA teams use StatBroadcast during games, which is my favorite statistics format. If you change the URL to a number you make up, you can find statistics from many teams and sports going back years. It includes +/-. http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=367236 is for yesterday's game. Williams was +1, and Butler was -9, so the difference of 10 was half of what you guessed. It has a season tab, and here is the season +/- for your players who played yesterday:

Juric: +55
Wynter: +53
Martin: +48
Washington: +37
Butler: +33
Williams: +23
Bell: +17
Oden: -9
Brown: -16

It adds up to +231. You've outscored opponents by 52, so that's +260. Okros, House, Terrence Butler, Wang, and Atsuren combined for +29. The efficiency statistic is very different from +/-. Among those nine players, Juric leads in +/-, and Oden is second-to-last. In efficiency, Oden has 82, and Juric has 42. Oden has played 6 more minutes, so the difference in playing time can't affect efficiency much.

Your schedule has the statistics links for every remaining game. http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=367240 is for your game before the CAA Tournament. If you bookmark that, after the game it will have your season +/- for everybody who plays. I want to thank you for bringing it up because I hadn't realized that it has season +/-. StatBroadcast is my favorite form of live statistics for any pro or college game. You can export statistics to a PDF during or after the game. When Hofstra plays a nonconference away game, before the game I care about the quality of the opponent, the availability to watch, and if the school uses StatBroadcast or an inferior type of statistics such as Siderarm Stats. All CAA teams use StatBroadcast for all sports.

(01-22-2022 04:31 PM)Zorch Wrote:  

(01-22-2022 04:08 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Big crowd, flat effort. That wont help bring anyone back thats for sure. Being down 21 to the worst team in the conference isnt good. Nice run to make it look like a game, but it was a bad game overall. Highly disappointing after some really good efforts by us.

W&M the worst team in conference? That’s debatable. Certainly not true based on the league standings. Beat Hofstra, Northeastern, and Drexel and only lost to JMU in OT.

W&M seems to be playing inspired in conference play, thats for sure. Conference standings really only tell much down the stretch and final standings. Early on, they dont mean a whole lot. But I think NU has shown to be an absolute mess right now and hard to argue against them as the worst team in conference right now. I think W&M is probably still the least talented, but certainly not playing as the worst currently.

Thanks EvanJ. I see the +/- now, I couldn't see it on my cell phone yesterday. I was 5 off on my educated guess from yesterday. Butler was a -9 and Williams was +1. Oden provided the worst +/- result with a -15. As bad as I thought Martin was yesterday, these stats proved me wrong, as he was a +7, far outperforming the rest of the team in that category.