(06-07-2022 03:57 PM)Ridge1982 Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 11:48 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 11:38 AM)Ridge1982 Wrote:  Lindenwood may not be urban, which is in St. Charles County, but without an NFL team, they have massive potential to capture the St. Louis area in the future if the Mizzou program doesn’t turn its self around.

Seriously? Why would the average St Louis resident start to care about Lindenwood? Lol, watch out Mizzou!!!!

Do you live there ? 2015 did a lot of damage to the Mizzou brand.

Those Wal-Mart P5 fans upset with Mizzou will just become disengaged though. They’re not going to swarm to a low D1 OVC team - they’re casual fans for a reason. They’re just going to find something else to do with their time and then become reengaged with Mizzou whenever they’re exciting again.

P5 schools and low D1 teams aren’t picking from the same pool of fans.

(06-05-2022 08:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 01:24 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 06:04 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hope to have a copy of the study next week, so take all of this with a grain of salt, but here are a few other thoughts, after talking to a few other folks. If this matters, I also used to live in New Orleans and know the area a little bit...

1) There's no way this happens without student athletic fees. There's almost zero way FCS football happens ANYWHERE without student athletic fees. If the standard for starting and maintaining a program is for fans, media rights and sponsorships to pay for everything, FCS would have MAYBE five teams in it. If this ACTUALLY happens, it's because the students, the general university budget, AND the New Orleans community decide to pay for it. There has been some political pressure at UNO to actually start this thing for a long time...we'll see if that pressure means somebody is finally prepared to open a checkbook.

2) The value prop here is a little different than Tulane. No disrespect to our Greenie friends, but Tulane...is the school for out of town kids. It hasn't REALLY been the New Orleans team since like, the 1960s. UNO is the school for locals. It's pretty communter-y and it's losing enrollment. The hope here is that UNO football would provide an affordable opportunity to see and participate in D1 football that would be HEAVILY for residents of the 504, by residents of the 504. Whether they can do that successfully is an open question, but I wouldn't exactly draw conclusions from anything that is happening Uptown for what could happen at UNO.

3) My understanding is that this would be a scholarship program that would play in the Southland Conference, with the hope to play on campus, rather than at the Tad Pad.

4) Beyond enrollment and community engagement goals, it's also correct to say that UNO hopes that having a football team would give them additional conference flexibility for the future, especially with big NCAA changes afoot.

As a former Tulane athletics person; no offense and I share your views.

UNO has toyed with adding football a few times. Obviously, they are too small and too under-resourced to compete in football. But they're never going to be resourced to compete in anything, ever.

Tulane is the "rich kid" school -- a northeast liberal arts college with better weather, and THEY can't compete in FBS. And LSU is LSU.

UNO adding football is a smart move. FCS to start. UNO adding FBS is a "yeah, you can't afford it" situation. UNO not adding football is a "you're just another commuter school, no one cares about your athletics" situation.

You are far better off investing in sports than not investing in sports. Because there's a Sports section of the paper, and there's not an Education sections of the paper. (old school reference, since we're digital now; but you get what I mean).

They probably can't afford to add football; but they really can't afford NOT TO add football. So go ahead. Find some investors. You're going to lose a ton of money on the project, but if you get a good coach and have a year, it can stick. If you don't, it'll be a failed experiment. But trying to succeed is better than doing nothing.

I disagree. Well, I agree if you are LSU or Notre Dame, as sports obviously pays off handsomely for them.

But a school like UNO? As MB says, the only way they can fund football is with student fees. It's the only way just about every FCS funds football, heck just about every G5 too.

And why is that? Because the school's community does not care enough about its football to fund it voluntarily, via ticket purchases, sponsorships, etc. And they don't come to games either.

So what's the point? Claims of "front porch" effects, like attracting students, are basically unproven, they are merely asserted by admins who want football.

IMO, UNO should not sock its students with higher fees to fund football they likely will not want to support. These students are lucky that they aren't attending a school where they are currently hammered with these fees to fund football nobody, even at the school, cares about.

This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

(06-07-2022 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 08:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 01:24 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 06:04 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hope to have a copy of the study next week, so take all of this with a grain of salt, but here are a few other thoughts, after talking to a few other folks. If this matters, I also used to live in New Orleans and know the area a little bit...

1) There's no way this happens without student athletic fees. There's almost zero way FCS football happens ANYWHERE without student athletic fees. If the standard for starting and maintaining a program is for fans, media rights and sponsorships to pay for everything, FCS would have MAYBE five teams in it. If this ACTUALLY happens, it's because the students, the general university budget, AND the New Orleans community decide to pay for it. There has been some political pressure at UNO to actually start this thing for a long time...we'll see if that pressure means somebody is finally prepared to open a checkbook.

2) The value prop here is a little different than Tulane. No disrespect to our Greenie friends, but Tulane...is the school for out of town kids. It hasn't REALLY been the New Orleans team since like, the 1960s. UNO is the school for locals. It's pretty communter-y and it's losing enrollment. The hope here is that UNO football would provide an affordable opportunity to see and participate in D1 football that would be HEAVILY for residents of the 504, by residents of the 504. Whether they can do that successfully is an open question, but I wouldn't exactly draw conclusions from anything that is happening Uptown for what could happen at UNO.

3) My understanding is that this would be a scholarship program that would play in the Southland Conference, with the hope to play on campus, rather than at the Tad Pad.

4) Beyond enrollment and community engagement goals, it's also correct to say that UNO hopes that having a football team would give them additional conference flexibility for the future, especially with big NCAA changes afoot.

As a former Tulane athletics person; no offense and I share your views.

UNO has toyed with adding football a few times. Obviously, they are too small and too under-resourced to compete in football. But they're never going to be resourced to compete in anything, ever.

Tulane is the "rich kid" school -- a northeast liberal arts college with better weather, and THEY can't compete in FBS. And LSU is LSU.

UNO adding football is a smart move. FCS to start. UNO adding FBS is a "yeah, you can't afford it" situation. UNO not adding football is a "you're just another commuter school, no one cares about your athletics" situation.

You are far better off investing in sports than not investing in sports. Because there's a Sports section of the paper, and there's not an Education sections of the paper. (old school reference, since we're digital now; but you get what I mean).

They probably can't afford to add football; but they really can't afford NOT TO add football. So go ahead. Find some investors. You're going to lose a ton of money on the project, but if you get a good coach and have a year, it can stick. If you don't, it'll be a failed experiment. But trying to succeed is better than doing nothing.

I disagree. Well, I agree if you are LSU or Notre Dame, as sports obviously pays off handsomely for them.

But a school like UNO? As MB says, the only way they can fund football is with student fees. It's the only way just about every FCS funds football, heck just about every G5 too.

And why is that? Because the school's community does not care enough about its football to fund it voluntarily, via ticket purchases, sponsorships, etc. And they don't come to games either.

So what's the point? Claims of "front porch" effects, like attracting students, are basically unproven, they are merely asserted by admins who want football.

IMO, UNO should not sock its students with higher fees to fund football they likely will not want to support. These students are lucky that they aren't attending a school where they are currently hammered with these fees to fund football nobody, even at the school, cares about.

This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

Shouldn't this be a good thing?

(06-07-2022 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

They're not trying to teach the kids who got 33s on their ACT and went to rich high schools uptown. Tulane exists. UNO's entire purpose is to teach working class kids in the region...and those kids are going to need financial assistance, and they're going to need more academic help. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

(06-22-2022 07:30 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 08:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 01:24 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 06:04 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hope to have a copy of the study next week, so take all of this with a grain of salt, but here are a few other thoughts, after talking to a few other folks. If this matters, I also used to live in New Orleans and know the area a little bit...

1) There's no way this happens without student athletic fees. There's almost zero way FCS football happens ANYWHERE without student athletic fees. If the standard for starting and maintaining a program is for fans, media rights and sponsorships to pay for everything, FCS would have MAYBE five teams in it. If this ACTUALLY happens, it's because the students, the general university budget, AND the New Orleans community decide to pay for it. There has been some political pressure at UNO to actually start this thing for a long time...we'll see if that pressure means somebody is finally prepared to open a checkbook.

2) The value prop here is a little different than Tulane. No disrespect to our Greenie friends, but Tulane...is the school for out of town kids. It hasn't REALLY been the New Orleans team since like, the 1960s. UNO is the school for locals. It's pretty communter-y and it's losing enrollment. The hope here is that UNO football would provide an affordable opportunity to see and participate in D1 football that would be HEAVILY for residents of the 504, by residents of the 504. Whether they can do that successfully is an open question, but I wouldn't exactly draw conclusions from anything that is happening Uptown for what could happen at UNO.

3) My understanding is that this would be a scholarship program that would play in the Southland Conference, with the hope to play on campus, rather than at the Tad Pad.

4) Beyond enrollment and community engagement goals, it's also correct to say that UNO hopes that having a football team would give them additional conference flexibility for the future, especially with big NCAA changes afoot.

As a former Tulane athletics person; no offense and I share your views.

UNO has toyed with adding football a few times. Obviously, they are too small and too under-resourced to compete in football. But they're never going to be resourced to compete in anything, ever.

Tulane is the "rich kid" school -- a northeast liberal arts college with better weather, and THEY can't compete in FBS. And LSU is LSU.

UNO adding football is a smart move. FCS to start. UNO adding FBS is a "yeah, you can't afford it" situation. UNO not adding football is a "you're just another commuter school, no one cares about your athletics" situation.

You are far better off investing in sports than not investing in sports. Because there's a Sports section of the paper, and there's not an Education sections of the paper. (old school reference, since we're digital now; but you get what I mean).

They probably can't afford to add football; but they really can't afford NOT TO add football. So go ahead. Find some investors. You're going to lose a ton of money on the project, but if you get a good coach and have a year, it can stick. If you don't, it'll be a failed experiment. But trying to succeed is better than doing nothing.

I disagree. Well, I agree if you are LSU or Notre Dame, as sports obviously pays off handsomely for them.

But a school like UNO? As MB says, the only way they can fund football is with student fees. It's the only way just about every FCS funds football, heck just about every G5 too.

And why is that? Because the school's community does not care enough about its football to fund it voluntarily, via ticket purchases, sponsorships, etc. And they don't come to games either.

So what's the point? Claims of "front porch" effects, like attracting students, are basically unproven, they are merely asserted by admins who want football.

IMO, UNO should not sock its students with higher fees to fund football they likely will not want to support. These students are lucky that they aren't attending a school where they are currently hammered with these fees to fund football nobody, even at the school, cares about.

This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

Shouldn't this be a good thing?

That 10% are still unemployed 2 years out? That is NOT a good thing.

(06-23-2022 09:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 07:30 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 08:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 01:24 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  As a former Tulane athletics person; no offense and I share your views.

UNO has toyed with adding football a few times. Obviously, they are too small and too under-resourced to compete in football. But they're never going to be resourced to compete in anything, ever.

Tulane is the "rich kid" school -- a northeast liberal arts college with better weather, and THEY can't compete in FBS. And LSU is LSU.

UNO adding football is a smart move. FCS to start. UNO adding FBS is a "yeah, you can't afford it" situation. UNO not adding football is a "you're just another commuter school, no one cares about your athletics" situation.

You are far better off investing in sports than not investing in sports. Because there's a Sports section of the paper, and there's not an Education sections of the paper. (old school reference, since we're digital now; but you get what I mean).

They probably can't afford to add football; but they really can't afford NOT TO add football. So go ahead. Find some investors. You're going to lose a ton of money on the project, but if you get a good coach and have a year, it can stick. If you don't, it'll be a failed experiment. But trying to succeed is better than doing nothing.

I disagree. Well, I agree if you are LSU or Notre Dame, as sports obviously pays off handsomely for them.

But a school like UNO? As MB says, the only way they can fund football is with student fees. It's the only way just about every FCS funds football, heck just about every G5 too.

And why is that? Because the school's community does not care enough about its football to fund it voluntarily, via ticket purchases, sponsorships, etc. And they don't come to games either.

So what's the point? Claims of "front porch" effects, like attracting students, are basically unproven, they are merely asserted by admins who want football.

IMO, UNO should not sock its students with higher fees to fund football they likely will not want to support. These students are lucky that they aren't attending a school where they are currently hammered with these fees to fund football nobody, even at the school, cares about.

This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

Shouldn't this be a good thing?

That 10% are still unemployed 2 years out? That is NOT a good thing.

Well what's being defined as employment here? Is it full time only or does part time or internship count as well?

Is this looking only at the pool that's looking for full time work within that timespan, or does it include the students that choose to continue their education with grad school?

It's actually pretty hard these days for recent graduates to immediately get full time work. Entry level positions are very stupidly requiring multiple years of experience at a lot of places, which forces otherwise qualified people to take on part time and intern roles to get that experience before being able to even have their resume looked at for full time work.

(06-23-2022 09:24 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 07:30 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(06-07-2022 07:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 08:00 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-05-2022 01:24 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  As a former Tulane athletics person; no offense and I share your views.

UNO has toyed with adding football a few times. Obviously, they are too small and too under-resourced to compete in football. But they're never going to be resourced to compete in anything, ever.

Tulane is the "rich kid" school -- a northeast liberal arts college with better weather, and THEY can't compete in FBS. And LSU is LSU.

UNO adding football is a smart move. FCS to start. UNO adding FBS is a "yeah, you can't afford it" situation. UNO not adding football is a "you're just another commuter school, no one cares about your athletics" situation.

You are far better off investing in sports than not investing in sports. Because there's a Sports section of the paper, and there's not an Education sections of the paper. (old school reference, since we're digital now; but you get what I mean).

They probably can't afford to add football; but they really can't afford NOT TO add football. So go ahead. Find some investors. You're going to lose a ton of money on the project, but if you get a good coach and have a year, it can stick. If you don't, it'll be a failed experiment. But trying to succeed is better than doing nothing.

I disagree. Well, I agree if you are LSU or Notre Dame, as sports obviously pays off handsomely for them.

But a school like UNO? As MB says, the only way they can fund football is with student fees. It's the only way just about every FCS funds football, heck just about every G5 too.

And why is that? Because the school's community does not care enough about its football to fund it voluntarily, via ticket purchases, sponsorships, etc. And they don't come to games either.

So what's the point? Claims of "front porch" effects, like attracting students, are basically unproven, they are merely asserted by admins who want football.

IMO, UNO should not sock its students with higher fees to fund football they likely will not want to support. These students are lucky that they aren't attending a school where they are currently hammered with these fees to fund football nobody, even at the school, cares about.

This is a school which on its website touts the fact that 77% of its students receive some financial aid and that 90% find employment within two years of graduating. They don't exactly set the bar high.

Shouldn't this be a good thing?

That 10% are still unemployed 2 years out? That is NOT a good thing.

How does that compare with other schools?

I took classes at UNO in the 90s. I enjoyed baseball games at Privateer Park. An FCS team that played on the lake could be a fun draw. It would need to be marketed as a Saturday party atmosphere IMO. Live bands for pregame. Food trucks. Beer sales. Maybe set a stage/amphitheater shell up along one sideline for pregame concerts. Locker rooms to either side of the stage to add some symmetry. Shaded seating along the other sideline. Enjoy the band, stay for the game. Lake as the backdrop.

I don't know, but FCS football alone without other stuff involved probably wouldn't draw much interest.

(06-23-2022 01:09 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  I took classes at UNO in the 90s. I enjoyed baseball games at Privateer Park. An FCS team that played on the lake could be a fun draw. It would need to be marketed as a Saturday party atmosphere IMO. Live bands for pregame. Food trucks. Beer sales. Maybe set a stage/amphitheater shell up along one sideline for pregame concerts. Locker rooms to either side of the stage to add some symmetry. Shaded seating along the other sideline. Enjoy the band, stay for the game. Lake as the backdrop.

I don't know, but FCS football alone without other stuff involved probably wouldn't draw much interest.

sounds fun, but we have a limited budget. drop me the football game, nobody cares.

(06-04-2022 09:10 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(06-04-2022 08:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-04-2022 08:56 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Page 216 of 220 has the info

The UL System has authorized and approved the student government request for a vote. Vote slated for November 2022.

According to the document, athletics makes about $1.4M from student fees annually. This vote (if approved) is estimated to raise an additional monies for athletics (90% of just over $4M) or conservatively $2.2M more than they have now.

Specifically references intentions to add womens golf, womens soccer and football. The $2.2M is a nice bump for the department

https://s25260.pcdn.co/wp-content/upload...l-2022.pdf

If approved. All the smart students will definitely vote this down and not pay more tuition to add a football program that has zero shot at competing.

I don't see any reason why a UNO team couldn't at least be as competitive as half the other teams in the Southland? It's not as if they're facing off against LSU.

Don't tell DavidSt that. UNO is just a big donor away from taking on LSU.

(06-23-2022 07:59 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(06-04-2022 09:10 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  

(06-04-2022 08:58 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-04-2022 08:56 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Page 216 of 220 has the info

The UL System has authorized and approved the student government request for a vote. Vote slated for November 2022.

According to the document, athletics makes about $1.4M from student fees annually. This vote (if approved) is estimated to raise an additional monies for athletics (90% of just over $4M) or conservatively $2.2M more than they have now.

Specifically references intentions to add womens golf, womens soccer and football. The $2.2M is a nice bump for the department

https://s25260.pcdn.co/wp-content/upload...l-2022.pdf

If approved. All the smart students will definitely vote this down and not pay more tuition to add a football program that has zero shot at competing.

I don't see any reason why a UNO team couldn't at least be as competitive as half the other teams in the Southland? It's not as if they're facing off against LSU.

Don't tell DavidSt that. UNO is just a big donor away from taking on LSU.

He already has Rowan beating Rutgers 55-40. Could you imagine what the UNO-LSU score will be?

More on the feasibility study (crossposted on Chicago State forum as well)

UPDATE: New Orleans Athletics will utilize the sponsorship funds to enhance the experience for each Privateer student-athlete. The department plans to launch the Gulf Coast Bank & Trust Company Financial Literacy Series. Executives from Gulf Coast Bank & Trust Company will develop a series of interactive classes to inform student-athletes about credit, taxes, saving, and investing money. The series will be pivotal as New Orleans Athletics ramps up their Name Image and Likeness (NIL) programming.


Press conference tomorrow surrounding the “largest partnership in school history”.

Article mentions that it is a two year arrangement. It reads as it involves NIL but considering all eyes are on this program, it’s efforts to start football and a subsequent vote this fall, this is worth keeping tabs on this.

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NEW ORLEANS - University of New Orleans Athletics and Gulf Coast Bank & Trust Company will hold a press conference announcing their partnership, the largest in program history, on Wednesday, August 24 at 8 a.m. at 1825 Veterans Blvd., Metairie. There, University of New Orleans President Dr. Nicklow, Vice President for Athletics & Recreation Tim Duncan, and Gulf Coast Bank & Trust Company President & CEO Guy Williams will talk more about the two-year partnership and what it entails.

https://unoprivateers.com/news/2022/8/22...st-co.aspx

Update on campaign, efforts towards a Nov 9 student vote

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That something special includes the proposed addition of a Division I football program.

During his State of the Privateers address to boosters and athletic department staff on Thursday night, Duncan updated his proposed plan to add football, along with women’s golf, women’s soccer and marching band, to the school’s athletic department.

https://www.nola.com/sports/article_4706...71593.html

(01-20-2022 04:39 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:28 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  University of New Orleans to consider starting football program

C-USA invite should be in the mail any minute

Unfortunately, I assume that they’re planning on joining FBS within 5 years. That’s what every Southern team that starts a football program does. And since there are no requirements to get into FBS, they’ll be approved for membership.


And about 80% of this website is thrilled with how ridiculously huge FBS is getting.

(09-24-2022 08:57 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:39 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 04:28 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  University of New Orleans to consider starting football program

C-USA invite should be in the mail any minute

Unfortunately, I assume that they’re planning on joining FBS within 5 years. That’s what every Southern team that starts a football program does. And since there are no requirements to get into FBS, they’ll be approved for membership.


And about 80% of this website is thrilled with how ridiculously huge FBS is getting.

I don't know if thrilled is the correct word but I think fans welcome teams competing at the top level. There is no harm in having more teams in the FBS.

As crazy as this sounds, at some point the Superdome is going to have to be replaced. It's possible UNO could piggyback off of that, even if it's 20 years from now. The only question would be is if UNO could grow their program fast enough to truly cover the cost of turning the lights on in the new facility.

(09-25-2022 11:46 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  As crazy as this sounds, at some point the Superdome is going to have to be replaced. It's possible UNO could piggyback off of that, even if it's 20 years from now. The only question would be is if UNO could grow their program fast enough to truly cover the cost of turning the lights on in the new facility.

If Tulane can barely get attention there, you think UNO could do the same or better? They’re lucky to get 100 people to basketball games. In 20 years, UNO will be having sparsely attended football games in whatever division they’re playing in.

(09-25-2022 12:04 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 11:46 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  As crazy as this sounds, at some point the Superdome is going to have to be replaced. It's possible UNO could piggyback off of that, even if it's 20 years from now. The only question would be is if UNO could grow their program fast enough to truly cover the cost of turning the lights on in the new facility.

If Tulane can barely get attention there, you think UNO could do the same or better? They’re lucky to get 100 people to basketball games. In 20 years, UNO will be having sparsely attended football games in whatever division they’re playing in.

I continue to wonder why UNO wants to plow cash into a money losing football program given that they struggle otherwise athletically and briefly dropped down to D2 (which is probably a better fit for them). The only reason I'd see to have a football team is to boost attendance and tuition with a non-scholarship FCS team. Having a scholarship team that plays in the Southland likely won't do anything except bleed already limited funds.

More here including some on campus reaction