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Nice **** block joey D
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We really need to steer clear of commissioners with J names. Joey and Judy making Johns and Janes look bad.
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You guys are good to go for 2022. The SBC would ideally like to have all 14 join but are prepared to move forward with 11 for a year. There was no chance the league would leave you guys in a lurch for 2022.
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Who is worse----CUSA or CAA?

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(01-26-2022 10:53 PM)hburg Wrote:  Who is worse----CUSA or CAA?


I would give my vote to CUSA.
With the CAA, they have never been elite. Solid conference with a few Cinderella moments. CAA football was elite in terms of FCS, but that will definitely take a hit now that we are gone.
CUSA's blame mostly falls on Judy. I don't think Joey Dbag has really much control and is more of a figurehead than anything. They let him do whatever the hell he wants. Judy is a mess and they know it and they still allow her to captain the ship.
CAA media deal is bad due to it taking advantage of one school's fan base. The CUSA deal was just BAD. Schools lost money. And to make it worse, may even add FloSports!
Look at the mass exodus of schools leaving. CUSA is about as unstable as it gets. CAA has at least mostly been stable. The schools that are being added to the CAA don't make up for us leaving, but they are at least in the region and make sense.
CUSA's mess started a long time ago when they went after markets over school quality. As a result, the conference was all over the country and a traveling nightmare.
CUSA is still making bad decisions despite all the other bad decisions they have made. They are desperate and needed schools so badly, they are bringing in Liberty: the school no other conference has wanted to touch. And they had to resort to bringing in not just one, but two FCS schools that are not even prepared for the move. Sam Houston has a stadium that isn't even big for FCS standards. They aren't coming to FBS to compete. They are coming to FBS to exist.
Obviously the CAA's postseason ban is reprehensible. At least it's a bylaw.
CUSA is just flying by the seat of their pants and not even consistent in their bad actions.
And then there's La Tech. Their conference members are either delusional, clueless, or in denial for what's happening. I believe CAA knows exactly what they are. CUSA thinks they know what they are, but are definitely not.
I am not saying CAA isn't bad, because they are the worst. But, CUSA is the worst of the worst.
Thank god we didn't join them years ago.
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I took it more as "who's worse in their douchiness towards exiting members?" and in that case I'd say CAA by a landslide.

If we're talking overall which conference is worse, yeah CUSA. Although if CUSA had been our only FBS option I would've been in favor of weighing that option vs independent with either one hopefully being a stepping stone to the Sun Belt or AAC. It would've been time to take what we can get and accept that a stepping stone is needed imo. I'm glad we didn't have to worry about that and got in to a great fit instead.
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(01-27-2022 10:10 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I took it more as "who's worse in their douchiness towards exiting members?" and in that case I'd say CAA by a landslide.

If we're talking overall which conference is worse, yeah CUSA. Although if CUSA had been our only FBS option I would've been in favor of weighing that option vs independent with either one hopefully being a stepping stone to the Sun Belt or AAC. It would've been time to take what we can get and accept that a stepping stone is needed imo. I'm glad we didn't have to worry about that and got in to a great fit instead.

Looking at it that way, you are absolutely right. What the CAA did not just to JMU, but to student athletes is absolutely worse. And the fact that it was wrong before and they still continue to do it after all the bad publicity is ridiculous. I even forgot about the petition signed by current members of the conference that Joey wouldn't even acknowledge they received.
While CUSA isn't banning any of its teams or athletes, they are more vocal about their exiting teams. They even put out a statement about them leaving early. At least the CAA isn't trying to make us stay. They just want to leach on to our success to make them look good.
CUSA NEEDS them to stay. And to leave they may have to give CUSA more money to make it happen. At least the CAA is only making us pay an exit fee and not trying to squeeze more money out of us.
I still think it's possible CUSA may force Marshall/ODU/SoMiss to stick around another year just to stay eligible. If they leave next year, they may not have enough members next year. I don't expect either side to go down without a fight.
Imagine a scenario where Marshall/ODU/SoMiss actually have to play in CUSA next year. It's probably not likely, but that could get very ugly.
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(01-27-2022 10:21 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 10:10 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I took it more as "who's worse in their douchiness towards exiting members?" and in that case I'd say CAA by a landslide.

If we're talking overall which conference is worse, yeah CUSA. Although if CUSA had been our only FBS option I would've been in favor of weighing that option vs independent with either one hopefully being a stepping stone to the Sun Belt or AAC. It would've been time to take what we can get and accept that a stepping stone is needed imo. I'm glad we didn't have to worry about that and got in to a great fit instead.

Looking at it that way, you are absolutely right. What the CAA did not just to JMU, but to student athletes is absolutely worse. And the fact that it was wrong before and they still continue to do it after all the bad publicity is ridiculous. I even forgot about the petition signed by current members of the conference that Joey wouldn't even acknowledge they received.
While CUSA isn't banning any of its teams or athletes, they are more vocal about their exiting teams. They even put out a statement about them leaving early. At least the CAA isn't trying to make us stay. They just want to leach on to our success to make them look good.
CUSA NEEDS them to stay. And to leave they may have to give CUSA more money to make it happen. At least the CAA is only making us pay an exit fee and not trying to squeeze more money out of us.
I still think it's possible CUSA may force Marshall/ODU/SoMiss to stick around another year just to stay eligible. If they leave next year, they may not have enough members next year. I don't expect either side to go down without a fight.
Imagine a scenario where Marshall/ODU/SoMiss actually have to play in CUSA next year. It's probably not likely, but that could get very ugly.

This is likely because they don't have any leverage in the bylaws to do so, plus existing members may be considering SoCon or FBS (UD) in the future and don't want to create that rule/precedent.

Add to that, playing JMU next year and taking more losses would not be beneficial to the other schools for their football or basketball postseason hopes. Remember all the schools that avoided playing us in Spring?

The CAA is letting us go in their own self-interest, not because they are nicer or somehow less petty than CUSA.
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Yeah and the whole thing with CUSA is money, they aren't gonna be taking away any championship/bowl opportunities from any student athletes. They want that media revenue from those three fanbases just like the CAA milked the JMU fanbase for that FloSports money. The AAC 6 aren't trying to leave this year so it's not a matter of CUSA needing those three teams to survive or to put together much of a schedule. They just want the media revenue.

Maybe they'll give in pretty easily if it helps their exit fee negotiations or if they're afraid they're gonna have to drag things out in court, maybe they'll stick it out so they can negotiate their new media deal before showing how much their ratings drop without those fanbases.

The CAA has a bunch of JMU athletes across every sport but football spending a year of their eligibility on a season where very few can realistically hope for any kind of postseason. CUSA is just gonna maybe make athletes play one more season in a different FBS conference. Both moves suck for the fans, one sucks a lot more and also really sucks for the athletes.
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Will C-USA even exist after 2023-24? I think that's a question worth asking.
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(01-27-2022 12:51 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  Will C-USA even exist after 2023-24? I think that's a question worth asking.

I disagree. Where are those schools going to go right now? The answer: nowhere.
Perhaps in 5-10 years, but nowhere in the near future.
If they get a new commissioner, perhaps they can fix it, but it's going to take a very long time.
Liberty wanted a conference and they got one. However, I think CUSA is going to leech off of them. Especially if FloSports ends up being a reality. Liberty will probably vote against it because it will most likely require them to do the same that happened to us. To fund the deal, Liberty is probably going to lose the chance to televise their games on their own network. If not all, then a significant amount.
Sam Houston is making a huge mistake this is going to cost them dearly. They may be able to stay afloat, but I don't see them being a threat to anyone.
In order for CUSA to truly die, a new conference is going to have to form. I just don't see that happening any time soon.
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Wait, is Liberty going C-USA? I thought they were ASUN. I am so confused with this merry-go-round. Who is where?
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(01-27-2022 04:10 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  Wait, is Liberty going C-USA? I thought they were ASUN. I am so confused with this merry-go-round. Who is where?

Liberty is joining CUSA for most sports in 2023.
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(01-27-2022 04:58 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 04:10 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  Wait, is Liberty going C-USA? I thought they were ASUN. I am so confused with this merry-go-round. Who is where?

Liberty is joining CUSA for most sports in 2023.

In addition to New Mexico State, Sam Houston and Jax State.
The new CUSA in 2023 as it stands would be:
MTSU
WKU
La Tech
UTEP
FIU
NMSU
Liberty
Sam Houston
Jax State


Yuck.
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It’s like a collection of toys in Sid’s room in Toy Story.
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(01-28-2022 09:34 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It’s like a collection of toys in Sid’s room in Toy Story.

To me, it's a conference of Holy Grail's Black Knight.
Delusional and even without limbs they still think they're badass.
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The imagery for both is pretty great. Well done.

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(01-28-2022 09:28 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 04:58 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 04:10 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  Wait, is Liberty going C-USA? I thought they were ASUN. I am so confused with this merry-go-round. Who is where?

Liberty is joining CUSA for most sports in 2023.

In addition to New Mexico State, Sam Houston and Jax State.
The new CUSA in 2023 as it stands would be:
MTSU
WKU
La Tech
UTEP
FIU
NMSU
Liberty
Sam Houston
Jax State


Yuck.

Why don't you throw in UMass while you're at it?
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(02-01-2022 04:26 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 09:28 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 04:58 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(01-27-2022 04:10 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  Wait, is Liberty going C-USA? I thought they were ASUN. I am so confused with this merry-go-round. Who is where?

Liberty is joining CUSA for most sports in 2023.

In addition to New Mexico State, Sam Houston and Jax State.
The new CUSA in 2023 as it stands would be:
MTSU
WKU
La Tech
UTEP
FIU
NMSU
Liberty
Sam Houston
Jax State


Yuck.

Why don't you throw in UMass while you're at it?

Rumor is UMass/UConn (football only) + 1 more FCS callup were on deck next if WKU/MTSU bolted for the MAC.
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(01-28-2022 09:34 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It’s like a collection of toys in Sid’s room in Toy Story.

You just made me LOL, which I needed after a day of kind of awful stories. Thank you for the image!
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