(01-20-2022 12:51 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

How were any kidney transplants ever done before December 2020? I mean nobody had a COVID Vaccine before then. We’re people previously required to have a flu shot if they got a transplant in the winter? That would be the only equivalent I could think of.

According to the article I linked above, yes, they were.

And the Covid vaccine is mostly an mRNA shot, which is not new and has been around for years. Granted, not this specific vaccine, but the technology is basically the same. And as I've posted now for over a year, mRNA vaccines by their nature do not have any long-term effect on your body...making long term studies basically moot.

Regardless, with any transplant, your immune system will be weakened due to the drugs you have to take for quite a bit afterward so that your body won't reject the organ. So if you contract Covid in that time...and are not vaxxed...you are many more times likely to develop complications than if you were vaccinated.

So just like if you're getting a new liver due to drinking, they're not going to just give you one if you're still drinking! It's basically the same thing here. They're not going to implant viable organs into people just because they want it...they have to follow established practices.

(01-20-2022 07:28 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

You do know that actual doctors who disagree with the vax agenda have lost their hospital practice privileges at corporately controlled hospitals and in some states medical licensing has been raised as a threat for Dr's who disagree? So just because Dr's (especially young ones strapped with Med School debt) comply, doesn't mean there is no threat to the patient's kidney health! You know when a doctor's recommendation is coerced it isn't worth a damn, right? Nobody's would be. It's why politics largely stayed out of medical matters in the past, except of course in the Third Reich.

Black helicopters and Hitler...all in one paragraph. Nicely done!

Two made up lies that he never said...all in one sentence. Poorly done!

Read again dude, he's basically accusing doctors with this far-fetched conspiracy theory of following some corporate agenda due to their student loan debt and then brings in the Third Reich...you know...Hitler. Further, he's acting like there's some huge percentage of doctors who don't agree that the Covid vaccine is necessary.

(01-20-2022 07:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:28 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:24 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

You do know that actual doctors who disagree with the vax agenda have lost their hospital practice privileges at corporately controlled hospitals and in some states medical licensing has been raised as a threat for Dr's who disagree? So just because Dr's (especially young ones strapped with Med School debt) comply, doesn't mean there is no threat to the patient's kidney health! You know when a doctor's recommendation is coerced it isn't worth a damn, right? Nobody's would be. It's why politics largely stayed out of medical matters in the past, except of course in the Third Reich.

Black helicopters and Hitler...all in one paragraph. Nicely done!

Two made up lies that he never said...all in one sentence. Poorly done!

Read again dude, he's basically accusing doctors with this far-fetched conspiracy theory of following some corporate agenda due to their student loan debt and then brings in the Third Reich...you know...Hitler. Further, he's acting like there's some huge percentage of doctors who don't agree that the Covid vaccine is necessary.

Well, he's not wrong. Aspiring doctors fresh out of med school won't have residency unless they comply, subjugate, and obey--tenets that define the Nazi leader's reign.

Looks like RWT has been going to med school since Biden* took office. No wonder he has been nowhere to be found...

Just to clarify Tom's f*cked up judgement, let's take a look at his statements:

On Ivermectin - a drug that has been used as an antiviral in humans for about 4 decades

Tom - "OH MUH GERD, ITS HORSE DEWORMER!!!"

On mRna jabs - something that has never been used on humans before

Tom - "Its old technology, its been around for years!!"


This is why he and his ilk are so easily fooled by adult models who post how hydroxychloriquine is killing people. Yes, the drug thats one of the most prescribed on planet earth and has been in use for much of a century in humans has suddenly become the death pill because someone, whose primary job is to show her tits to 19 year olds, said so and it got embarrassingly published in the Lancet.

(01-20-2022 09:56 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Just to clarify Tom's f*cked up judgement, let's take a look at his statements:

On Ivermectin - a drug that has been used as an antiviral in humans for about 4 decades

Tom - "OH MUH GERD, ITS HORSE DEWORMER!!!"

On mRna jabs - something that has never been used on humans before

Tom - "Its old technology, its been around for years!!"


This is why he and his ilk are so easily fooled by adult models who post how hydroxychloriquine is killing people. Yes, the drug thats one of the most prescribed on planet earth and has been in use for much of a century in humans has suddenly become the death pill because someone, whose primary job is to show her tits to 19 year olds, said so and it got embarrassingly published in the Lancet.

one is silly at this point to not have ivermectin and/or hydroxychloroquine in the medicine cabinet ... the former saved me all kinds of $$$ and time with the last bout...

no doctor, no hospital, no symptoms in a couple of days...

@stayHealthy

addendum: got to 420 a tad more too ... that was a nice benefit ....

(01-20-2022 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:51 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

How were any kidney transplants ever done before December 2020? I mean nobody had a COVID Vaccine before then. We’re people previously required to have a flu shot if they got a transplant in the winter? That would be the only equivalent I could think of.

According to the article I linked above, yes, they were.

And the Covid vaccine is mostly an mRNA shot, which is not new and has been around for years. Granted, not this specific vaccine, but the technology is basically the same. And as I've posted now for over a year, mRNA vaccines by their nature do not have any long-term effect on your body...making long term studies basically moot.

Regardless, with any transplant, your immune system will be weakened due to the drugs you have to take for quite a bit afterward so that your body won't reject the organ. So if you contract Covid in that time...and are not vaxxed...you are many more times likely to develop complications than if you were vaccinated.

So just like if you're getting a new liver due to drinking, they're not going to just give you one if you're still drinking! It's basically the same thing here. They're not going to implant viable organs into people just because they want it...they have to follow established practices.

When did you get your medical degree?

Quote:Although there are no previously approved mRNA vaccines, these vaccines have been trialed in humans for oncologic therapies for nearly a decade (NCT01684241), and have been trialed in humans for infectious disease for over 3 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

There's just never been a real need before Covid to commercially develop and attain approval for them. The technology itself dates back to the 60's.

Quote:Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-lo...a-vaccines

You don't need to have a medical degree to read and comprehend basic facts. Well......

(01-20-2022 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:51 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

How were any kidney transplants ever done before December 2020? I mean nobody had a COVID Vaccine before then. We’re people previously required to have a flu shot if they got a transplant in the winter? That would be the only equivalent I could think of.

According to the article I linked above, yes, they were.

And the Covid vaccine is mostly an mRNA shot, which is not new and has been around for years. Granted, not this specific vaccine, but the technology is basically the same. And as I've posted now for over a year, mRNA vaccines by their nature do not have any long-term effect on your body...making long term studies basically moot.

Regardless, with any transplant, your immune system will be weakened due to the drugs you have to take for quite a bit afterward so that your body won't reject the organ. So if you contract Covid in that time...and are not vaxxed...you are many more times likely to develop complications than if you were vaccinated.

So just like if you're getting a new liver due to drinking, they're not going to just give you one if you're still drinking! It's basically the same thing here. They're not going to implant viable organs into people just because they want it...they have to follow established practices.

You know this how? More proof that you are a fool and will fall for any lie if you believe that it helps your case. Long term studies must be done, whether or not you, a non doctor, non scientific researcher think they are needed.

(01-20-2022 11:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:Although there are no previously approved mRNA vaccines, these vaccines have been trialed in humans for oncologic therapies for nearly a decade (NCT01684241), and have been trialed in humans for infectious disease for over 3 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

There's just never been a real need before Covid to commercially develop and attain approval for them. The technology itself dates back to the 60's.

Quote:Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-lo...a-vaccines

You don't need to have a medical degree to read and comprehend basic facts. Well......

If your trying to make an argument against the need of research or understanding long term efficacy or long term side effects.... its an IMPOSSIBLE argument to make.

No one knows until time has significantly passed the long term impact of these vaccines.

Period.



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(01-20-2022 11:20 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:51 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

How were any kidney transplants ever done before December 2020? I mean nobody had a COVID Vaccine before then. We’re people previously required to have a flu shot if they got a transplant in the winter? That would be the only equivalent I could think of.

According to the article I linked above, yes, they were.

And the Covid vaccine is mostly an mRNA shot, which is not new and has been around for years. Granted, not this specific vaccine, but the technology is basically the same. And as I've posted now for over a year, mRNA vaccines by their nature do not have any long-term effect on your body...making long term studies basically moot.

Regardless, with any transplant, your immune system will be weakened due to the drugs you have to take for quite a bit afterward so that your body won't reject the organ. So if you contract Covid in that time...and are not vaxxed...you are many more times likely to develop complications than if you were vaccinated.

So just like if you're getting a new liver due to drinking, they're not going to just give you one if you're still drinking! It's basically the same thing here. They're not going to implant viable organs into people just because they want it...they have to follow established practices.

When did you get your medical degree?

Probably about the same time he mastered insurance deductibles.

(01-20-2022 11:40 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:Although there are no previously approved mRNA vaccines, these vaccines have been trialed in humans for oncologic therapies for nearly a decade (NCT01684241), and have been trialed in humans for infectious disease for over 3 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

There's just never been a real need before Covid to commercially develop and attain approval for them. The technology itself dates back to the 60's.

Quote:Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-lo...a-vaccines

You don't need to have a medical degree to read and comprehend basic facts. Well......

If your trying to make an argument against the need of research or understanding long term efficacy or long term side effects.... its an IMPOSSIBLE argument to make.

No one knows until time has significantly passed the long term impact of these vaccines.

Period.

Never said anything to the contrary. Of course this will be studied for years to come and should be.

That being said, again, these vaccines are handled by your body in a matter of a couple weeks...so any long-term effects most likely will never be an issue.

Quote:How long mRNA lasts in the body
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.

How long spike proteins last in the body
The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-...roteins-go

The biggest proof of this, so far, is real-world application.

Quote:60.3% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. 9.82 billion doses have been administered globally.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Additionally, we also don't know the long-term effects of getting Covid when you've not been vaccinated either. Although preliminary studies are not encouraging for the anti-vaxxers.

There is NO doubt that the fully vaccinated statistically don't suffer the harmful effects of Covid, are not hospitalized as much, and they die a lot less too. And they're not even close.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu...le/2786039

Get the shots.

Period.

(01-20-2022 11:36 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 12:51 AM)banker Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 03:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  I would think kidney issues would make vaccines more risky for them. Maybe not, but it would be something to question.

If only there was a way to find out...you know...maybe with data over the years.



You do know actual doctors are making these decisions on what's required, right?

How were any kidney transplants ever done before December 2020? I mean nobody had a COVID Vaccine before then. We’re people previously required to have a flu shot if they got a transplant in the winter? That would be the only equivalent I could think of.

According to the article I linked above, yes, they were.

And the Covid vaccine is mostly an mRNA shot, which is not new and has been around for years. Granted, not this specific vaccine, but the technology is basically the same. And as I've posted now for over a year, mRNA vaccines by their nature do not have any long-term effect on your body...making long term studies basically moot.

Regardless, with any transplant, your immune system will be weakened due to the drugs you have to take for quite a bit afterward so that your body won't reject the organ. So if you contract Covid in that time...and are not vaxxed...you are many more times likely to develop complications than if you were vaccinated.

So just like if you're getting a new liver due to drinking, they're not going to just give you one if you're still drinking! It's basically the same thing here. They're not going to implant viable organs into people just because they want it...they have to follow established practices.

You know this how? More proof that you are a fool and will fall for any lie if you believe that it helps your case. Long term studies must be done, whether or not you, a non doctor, non scientific researcher think they are needed.

Reading multiple reputable sources. With the amount of conspiratorial nonsense you post here, you should try it some time.

So, are the same docs that are allowing this the same docs that are allowing COVID infected staff to treat patients?

(01-21-2022 08:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, are the same docs that are allowing this the same docs that are allowing COVID infected staff to treat patients?

Good question. But only vaccinated infected staff as if that makes any difference.

(01-21-2022 09:07 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 08:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, are the same docs that are allowing this the same docs that are allowing COVID infected staff to treat patients?

Good question. But only vaccinated infected staff as if that makes any difference.

In medical and scientific terms that is referred to as the placebo effect. Only it's the people demanding mandatory vaccines that are being given the placebo--physically and mentally.

(01-21-2022 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:40 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:Although there are no previously approved mRNA vaccines, these vaccines have been trialed in humans for oncologic therapies for nearly a decade (NCT01684241), and have been trialed in humans for infectious disease for over 3 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

There's just never been a real need before Covid to commercially develop and attain approval for them. The technology itself dates back to the 60's.

Quote:Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-lo...a-vaccines

You don't need to have a medical degree to read and comprehend basic facts. Well......

If your trying to make an argument against the need of research or understanding long term efficacy or long term side effects.... its an IMPOSSIBLE argument to make.

No one knows until time has significantly passed the long term impact of these vaccines.

Period.

Never said anything to the contrary. Of course this will be studied for years to come and should be.

That being said, again, these vaccines are handled by your body in a matter of a couple weeks...so any long-term effects most likely will never be an issue.

Quote:How long mRNA lasts in the body
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.

How long spike proteins last in the body
The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-...roteins-go

The biggest proof of this, so far, is real-world application.

Quote:60.3% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. 9.82 billion doses have been administered globally.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Additionally, we also don't know the long-term effects of getting Covid when you've not been vaccinated either. Although preliminary studies are not encouraging for the anti-vaxxers.

There is NO doubt that the fully vaccinated statistically don't suffer the harmful effects of Covid, are not hospitalized as much, and they die a lot less too. And they're not even close.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu...le/2786039

Get the shots.

Period.

Why don’t you go get another booster. Surely you will not need to worry after you do. Leave the rest of us alone. There will be plenty for you and Tigertittie if the rest of us say no.

People like yourself see some need to tell the rest of us what to do. We don’t need your parenting. Go stuff some ballot boxes.

(01-21-2022 10:01 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-21-2022 08:44 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:40 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 11:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:Although there are no previously approved mRNA vaccines, these vaccines have been trialed in humans for oncologic therapies for nearly a decade (NCT01684241), and have been trialed in humans for infectious disease for over 3 years.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7956899/

There's just never been a real need before Covid to commercially develop and attain approval for them. The technology itself dates back to the 60's.

Quote:Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s.

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-lo...a-vaccines

You don't need to have a medical degree to read and comprehend basic facts. Well......

If your trying to make an argument against the need of research or understanding long term efficacy or long term side effects.... its an IMPOSSIBLE argument to make.

No one knows until time has significantly passed the long term impact of these vaccines.

Period.

Never said anything to the contrary. Of course this will be studied for years to come and should be.

That being said, again, these vaccines are handled by your body in a matter of a couple weeks...so any long-term effects most likely will never be an issue.

Quote:How long mRNA lasts in the body
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by introducing mRNA (messenger RNA) into your muscle cells. The cells make copies of the spike protein and the mRNA is quickly degraded (within a few days). The cell breaks the mRNA up into small harmless pieces. mRNA is very fragile; that's one reason why mRNA vaccines must be so carefully preserved at very low temperatures.

How long spike proteins last in the body
The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-...roteins-go

The biggest proof of this, so far, is real-world application.

Quote:60.3% of the world population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. 9.82 billion doses have been administered globally.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Additionally, we also don't know the long-term effects of getting Covid when you've not been vaccinated either. Although preliminary studies are not encouraging for the anti-vaxxers.

There is NO doubt that the fully vaccinated statistically don't suffer the harmful effects of Covid, are not hospitalized as much, and they die a lot less too. And they're not even close.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fu...le/2786039

Get the shots.

Period.

Why don’t you go get another booster. Surely you will not need to worry after you do. Leave the rest of us alone. There will be plenty for you and Tigertittie if the rest of us say no.

People like yourself see some need to tell the rest of us what to do. We don’t need your parenting. Go stuff some ballot boxes.

Wouldn't be the first time leftist radicals in Detroit did that. They've done it before, but of course, questioning the vote of Detroit is racist because most of the people that live there are black.

I recently read an OpEd about how some local in my area is getting tired of protecting the unvaxxed..... it is behind a paywall and I already used up my freebies.

What an arrogant fuk.... I rarely respond to this crap, but I did in this case; in short I said:

- The unvaxxed are not asking this guy to help them with anything.
- The unvaxxed are not spreading covid at a higher rate than he who is vaxxed
- The unvaxxed are not getting covid at a rate more than he who is vaxxed
- If it was actually a Vax wearing a mask would not be asked of you (to protect people who don't want your protection)

WOW - the number of responses were impressive in opposition and in agreement.




ComTom it is simply NOT YOUR PLACE to tell me to get this shot - any more that it is my place to tell you not to. You can go about living your life in fear or not without worrying about whether anyone else has gotten it. You got it to protect yourself and whether anyone else has or not means nothing with regard to your exposure to and contracting Covid - shot or no shot.

Those are DOCUMENTED facts - get over it and shove your edict [to get the shot] up your arse.