(02-07-2022 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:05 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:05 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Judge tells Whitmer kidnap suspect he's asking for too much information

So you agree you cant just make a sweeping collection of personal communications?

Tell that to congress who is trying to act as a prosecutorial body....which they are most certainly not.

No clue what you're talking about or what the relevance to this case is.

Sounds like you dont have talking points on the overreaching Jan 6th committee's actions.

Hell, even the NYTs did a story on it.

About time you realize I don't receive any talking points! Additionally, I don't normally read any NYT or WaPo stories as I hate dealing with their registration/paywalls.

Lastly, again, the J6 committee has zip to do with this story.

Can you read?



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(02-07-2022 02:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:05 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:05 AM)maximus Wrote:  So you agree you cant just make a sweeping collection of personal communications?

Tell that to congress who is trying to act as a prosecutorial body....which they are most certainly not.

No clue what you're talking about or what the relevance to this case is.

Sounds like you dont have talking points on the overreaching Jan 6th committee's actions.

Hell, even the NYTs did a story on it.

About time you realize I don't receive any talking points! Additionally, I don't normally read any NYT or WaPo stories as I hate dealing with their registration/paywalls.

Lastly, again, the J6 committee has zip to do with this story.

Can you read?

Can you?

If you want to talk about J6 or congressional behavior, do so in another thread. It has nothing to do with the Whitmer case.

The conspiracy theories in this case are unraveling. A second kidnap plotter has now reached a plea agreement -

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...690218001/

"The deal, which requires Franks to cooperate with federal investigators and testify, includes a section aimed at fighting an expected entrapment defense during next month's trial. The section describes how Franks learned after he was arrested in October 2020 that the FBI used undercover agents and as many as a dozen informants.

“The defendant was not entrapped or induced to commit any crimes by these individuals,” the plea deal reads."

I have always been leery of plea deals... It is an excuse to cover something up. When you corner a scumbag like this, they will do anything to reduce their own personal pain and responsibility at the expense of what ever it costs and/or whatever someone is willing to pay.



I hope the FBI did not do anything wrong here - public trust is already at a historical low; they don't need any more help in that arena.

(02-07-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:57 AM)appst89 Wrote:  So, the judge is protecting the FBI from being outed as the planner of this so-called kidnapping. Not surprising. Swamp gonna swamp.

The judge is a W appointee.
He knows more about the facts of this case...and the applicable case law...than you or me.
The defendants will have the ability to present their case to a jury that will determine their fate.

Your ignorance of the legal process is mind numbing. This isn’t TV court, cases are won and lost in depositions and discovery, not in the court room. The judge is denying the defendants the right to face their accusers and call their credibility into question.

It’s a government white wash.

(02-07-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:57 AM)appst89 Wrote:  So, the judge is protecting the FBI from being outed as the planner of this so-called kidnapping. Not surprising. Swamp gonna swamp.

The judge is a W appointee.
He knows more about the facts of this case...and the applicable case law...than you or me.
The defendants will have the ability to present their case to a jury that will determine their fate.

We've all learned by now that W was no conservative so what's your point?

(02-07-2022 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:05 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No clue what you're talking about or what the relevance to this case is.

Sounds like you dont have talking points on the overreaching Jan 6th committee's actions.

Hell, even the NYTs did a story on it.

About time you realize I don't receive any talking points! Additionally, I don't normally read any NYT or WaPo stories as I hate dealing with their registration/paywalls.

Lastly, again, the J6 committee has zip to do with this story.

Can you read?

Can you?

If you want to talk about J6 or congressional behavior, do so in another thread. It has nothing to do with the Whitmer case.

Semantics is your game

You are either for what the judge did here or you are against it, which is it?



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(02-07-2022 03:04 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  The conspiracy theories in this case are unraveling. A second kidnap plotter has now reached a plea agreement -

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l...690218001/

"The deal, which requires Franks to cooperate with federal investigators and testify, includes a section aimed at fighting an expected entrapment defense during next month's trial. The section describes how Franks learned after he was arrested in October 2020 that the FBI used undercover agents and as many as a dozen informants.

“The defendant was not entrapped or induced to commit any crimes by these individuals,” the plea deal reads."

I doubt you could produce anything more damning against the Feds. This screams, "I'll say whatever you want me to to save my own a$$."

(02-08-2022 09:28 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 12:05 PM)maximus Wrote:  Sounds like you dont have talking points on the overreaching Jan 6th committee's actions.

Hell, even the NYTs did a story on it.

About time you realize I don't receive any talking points! Additionally, I don't normally read any NYT or WaPo stories as I hate dealing with their registration/paywalls.

Lastly, again, the J6 committee has zip to do with this story.

Can you read?

Can you?

If you want to talk about J6 or congressional behavior, do so in another thread. It has nothing to do with the Whitmer case.

Semantics is your game

You are either for what the judge did here or you are against it, which is it?

How can I be for or against something I have no real information about? I'm not a lawyer, nor a judge. I don't have all the facts of this case and neither do you. If the judge is out of line, the defendants have recourse they can follow on appeal if convicted. Not to mention they still have the trial to put forth their case. This has nothing to do with semantics and it has nothing to do with congress or J6. Move along.

(02-07-2022 03:27 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I have always been leery of plea deals... It is an excuse to cover something up. When you corner a scumbag like this, they will do anything to reduce their own personal pain and responsibility at the expense of what ever it costs and/or whatever someone is willing to pay.

I hope the FBI did not do anything wrong here - public trust is already at a historical low; they don't need any more help in that arena.

The other guy who plead got 6 years in jail. Not exactly a wrist slap.

(02-08-2022 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 03:27 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I have always been leery of plea deals... It is an excuse to cover something up. When you corner a scumbag like this, they will do anything to reduce their own personal pain and responsibility at the expense of what ever it costs and/or whatever someone is willing to pay.

I hope the FBI did not do anything wrong here - public trust is already at a historical low; they don't need any more help in that arena.

The other guy who plead got 6 years in jail. Not exactly a wrist slap.

Depends on what all they had on him for his "priors". This guy also had priors.

Just be open and transparent about it in front of a jury and they can sniff it all out.

(02-08-2022 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 03:27 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I have always been leery of plea deals... It is an excuse to cover something up. When you corner a scumbag like this, they will do anything to reduce their own personal pain and responsibility at the expense of what ever it costs and/or whatever someone is willing to pay.

I hope the FBI did not do anything wrong here - public trust is already at a historical low; they don't need any more help in that arena.

The other guy who plead got 6 years in jail. Not exactly a wrist slap.

Not a fair statement - you don't know what he was on the hook for if he didn't plead out. He may have been looking at 30 years or even life.

6 years is a bargain in that case.

Trial resumed on Wednesday after a 3 day Covid exposure break. Today jurors listened to a recording where one of the defendants referred to Governor Whitmer as a "tyrant" and stated that "“[w]e want her flex-cuffed on a table while we all pose and get our pictures taken like we just made the biggest drug bust in ... history" -

https://apnews.com/article/whitmer-kidna...ab3a152066

She's gonna win this poor state by 6-7% I think.

Captain Autism and alphabet agency entrapment. That's all that really needs to be said here.

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(03-18-2022 07:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  She's gonna win this poor state by 6-7% I think.

Hereditary voting block.

(02-07-2022 06:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 09:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:57 AM)appst89 Wrote:  So, the judge is protecting the FBI from being outed as the planner of this so-called kidnapping. Not surprising. Swamp gonna swamp.

The judge is a W appointee.
He knows more about the facts of this case...and the applicable case law...than you or me.
The defendants will have the ability to present their case to a jury that will determine their fate.

We've all learned by now that W was no conservative so what's your point?

He was. And his judges are going to be law and order types against the defendants. Obama/Biden judges tend to be partisan hacks so justice depends on what side you are on.

(03-18-2022 07:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 07:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  She's gonna win this poor state by 6-7% I think.

Hereditary voting block.

She'll most likely win because the GOP will have a difficult time putting forth a candidate who can actually walk upright.

(03-21-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 07:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 07:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  She's gonna win this poor state by 6-7% I think.

Hereditary voting block.

She'll most likely win because the GOP will have a difficult time putting forth a candidate who can actually walk upright.

I guess that means - 4 more years of spank-bank material for you Tommy

(03-21-2022 08:06 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 06:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 07:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-18-2022 07:15 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  She's gonna win this poor state by 6-7% I think.

Hereditary voting block.

She'll most likely win because the GOP will have a difficult time putting forth a candidate who can actually walk upright.

I guess that means - 4 more years of spank-bank material for you Tommy

You're familiar with porn, right?