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RE: What will be the next P4 realignment move?
(01-18-2022 08:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  Move #2....ACC invites Baylor and TCU.

Waco and Fort Worth are a long way from Boston, Miami, and Chapel Hill. Why?
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The rookie Commissioners at the B1G, ACC, and Pac 12, just have no idea what they are doing right now. That's all.

The recent posturing of New ACC Commish Jim Phillips regarding not expanding the playoff (seemingly to get Notre Dame to commit) has been a sh*tshow. Clueless.
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(01-18-2022 11:31 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  The rookie Commissioners at the B1G, ACC, and Pac 12, just have no idea what they are doing right now. That's all.

The recent posturing of New ACC Commish Jim Phillips regarding not expanding the playoff (seemingly to get Notre Dame to commit) has been a sh*tshow. Clueless.

Well said!
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RE: What will be the next P4 realignment move?
We've already heard that Clemson and Florida State want to go to the SEC.

We've also heard many (including those in this thread) suggest that the ACC is the next target.

I think it really comes down to whether NC et al want to stay in their own alliance or not.

If they do, then just let Florida State and Clemson go, and don't sweat it of ND leaves too. There is more to be made from a re-negotiated deal (and not just up front dollars) than trying to placate prima donnas who don't want to stay anyway.

So take WVa, Cinn, and UCF from the Big12.

And grab all the east-ish teams that people have suggested that the Big12 or the Pac or whomever, should be grabbing:

Memphis, and USF.

I don't think UCONN is leaving the Big East, so for the last one to even it out to 18, probably Temple.

Northeast: Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Temple
South Central:WVa, Cinn, Louisville, Memphis
Central: NC, NC state, Duke, WF, VA, VT
South: GT, Miami, USF, UCF

This would be stable and bring back together historical rivalries.

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And if NC decided that they didn't want to stay, then the ACC also loses NC, Duke, VA, and GT, and maybe VT and NC State. essentially the central division above plus GT.

In that case still invite all those mentioned above, and grab one more member for the south division and still survive as a 12 (or 14) member conference.

I don't think ACC is going anywhere, and I really don't see them merging to the Big12.

Either way, I think it's more likely that the ACC and the Big12 raid the AAC so that they survive and AAC likely does not.
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RE: What will be the next P4 realignment move?
(01-18-2022 11:22 AM)chess Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 11:01 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 08:36 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 08:12 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 07:12 AM)goofus Wrote:  The ACC, Big Ten, PAC, ND and Kansas merge together to form a 42-team superconference. Football will be split into 7 different 6-team divisions.

In this superconference, how do you see conference revenues being split? Would the B1G give up their dominant financial position to allow equal revenue sharing?

Yes, All TV/media revenue will be split equally. Gate revenue will not.

Then why would the B1G go along with this? In my view, this would be the single biggest obstacle to forming a superconference. The SEC would have the same problem if they wanted to form one of their own with the B12 and ACC as partners. In every other way, this would be an excellent idea. These conferences are quite academically and culturally compatible in many ways. So, what's the solution?

I think it's safe to say that these three conferences would be more valuable together than as separate competitors. In aggregate, there is a lot more money to be made. Maybe the B1G schools could be persuaded to accept something like this.

Lump the total current payouts for each conference together. For each school, calculate their equal share of their own conference's payout. Then divide each school's individual payout by the payouts of the three conferences combined. The result is their percentage of a new media contract for regular season only. Current B1G members would have a higher percentage than ACC or PAC members to retain the financial advantage they have earned over decades.

All post season revenues, including net revenue for a 12 team Conference Championship Tournament (CCT). all bowl revenues and all NCAAT revenues, would be divided in 42 equal shares. CCT revenue would include media revenue and gate receipts and concessions, less game day expenses and travel expenses for visiting teams, family, and bands. The 12 team CCT is likely to produce a large share of the increase in total superconference revenues, which would not be possible without combining the three existing conferences, so at the end of the day current B1G members would enjoy more revenue than they do today, while ACC and PAC members would receive an even bigger increase.

A couple of thoughts...

1. The Big Ten Network is partially owned by Fox
2. The ACC Network is a partnership with ESPN
3. The Pac 12 Network is owned by the conference.
4. The ACC and Pac 12 lag in revenue to the SEC and Big Ten.

So... The Big Ten and ACC members dissolve and join the Pac 12 to OWN their own network. The conference re-opens talks with ESPN and FOX for distribution rights.

The member schools determine how they wish to work together and compensate athletes.

Ultimately, the schools may resign their membership to the NCAA and the conference becomes their own governing body.

Just some thoughts...

If these three get together in this way, I could see the SEC doing something similar with the Big 12. Adding USF would give them 28 teams for a 4X7 team division structure. They could also do a 12 team CCT, with the two super-conference champs playing each other in what would no doubt be considered the national championship.

70 schools in total achieves a critical mass for a separate division or a stand alone entity if they want to cut the NCAA out entirely. As lucrative as the NCAAT is today, it's still a relatively small part of the revenues of the P5.
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(01-18-2022 11:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Northeast: Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Temple
South Central:WVa, Cinn, Louisville, Memphis
Central: NC, NC state, Duke, WF, VA, VT
South: GT, Miami, USF, UCF

There is no universe where Duke, North Carolina and Virginia agree to allow "those people" in "our" conference (still a minor miracle U of L got in even with its success in both revenue sports).

Devils, Heels and Hoos are headed out the door if/when Clemson and FSU get an SEC invite

If you don't believe me, ask about any NC State or Virginia Tech fan, and see what they say
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Here was my hypothetical fun timeline...


SEC @ 16 is set for the moment.

Big 10 set @ 14.

ACC at 14 is set at moment.

Big 12 once TX/OK departure....adds Memphis, Boise, SMU, USF to go 16 for more strength.

PAC 12 is the one with the itchy trigger finger. New commissioner wants to make a mark. I think they will want to eventually get into the central time zone with more eye balls and markets with new CFB playoff. Media rumor comes out they about to add...Houston, TCU, Ok. State, Kansas.

Big 10 sensing they about lose Kansas to PAC conference adds.... Kansas and ISU in a rush. Big 10 now set @ 16.

PAC 12 ends up adding Houston, TCU, Ok. State, Texas Tech securing the TX market. Pac 12 now set @ 16.

Big 12 now at 10 again responds with SDSU, CSU to get back to 12 and looks to get to 16.
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(01-18-2022 12:28 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 11:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Northeast: Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Temple
South Central:WVa, Cinn, Louisville, Memphis
Central: NC, NC state, Duke, WF, VA, VT
South: GT, Miami, USF, UCF

There is no universe where Duke, North Carolina and Virginia agree to allow "those people" in "our" conference (still a minor miracle U of L got in even with its success in both revenue sports).

Devils, Heels and Hoos are headed out the door if/when Clemson and FSU get an SEC invite

If you don't believe me, ask about any NC State or Virginia Tech fan, and see what they say

I suspect you're right, having to swallow Louisville still frosts the Supper Club elitists. Their egos can only handle so much, they'll kill it themselves on their own terms before they'll allow their Ivory Towers to be overwhelmed by old Big East and commuter schools. They likely head off grudgingly to the B1G (with lots of grandstanding about the unparalleled academic opportunities of the CIC) rather than continue to run their own conference if the only way for it to survive is by elevating "those people" to their level.
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(01-18-2022 12:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I suspect you're right, having to swallow Louisville still frosts the Supper Club elitists. Their egos can only handle so much, and they likely head off grudgingly to the B1G (with lots of grandstanding about the unparalleled academic opportunities of the CIC) rather than continue to run their own conference if the only way for it to survive is by elevating "those people" to their level.

As much as the Ivory Tower Trio (sounds like a hip 60's jazz band, right?) likes being kings of their dysfunctional neighborhood, there comes a time when money and prestige are more desireable than the benefits of being able to stomp your feet to get what you want.

See Texas and Oklahoma.

Instead of overpaying to keep the ACC's most valuable members happy and in-place, ESPN can spend that money going full-speed ahead on the B1G's upcoming rights deal.

Not sure why so many people expect Clemson, Duke, FSU, UNC and UVA (and maybe a couple others) to just stay put and enjoy their pennies on the dollar media rights check, when other options will be available that can benefit both the schools and ESPN.
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This was my first stab at 7 divisions of 6 teams each in the B1G/ACC/PAC super-conference. Teams in each division are listed in order of their ten year MSR (mean Sagarin rating). The number in parentheses before each division is its average MSR. I didn't even try to name the divisions.

(76) Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois

(75) Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Kansas

(74) Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers

(74) Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia

(76) Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland

(77) Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, California, Oregon State

(75) Southern Cal, Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado

******************************************************************

Ten game conference schedule. All schools will play everyone in their division and be allowed to have two permanent OOD rivals. For example, Clemson could play Florida State and Georgia Tech annually in conference and South Carolina OOC, plus three OOD conference games TBD by the conference. North Carolina could play NC State and Wake Forest every year. Georgia Tech could have Florida State in the round robin, plus Clemson OOD and Georgia OOC. Most rivalries could be accommodated.
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One of the challenges with having super-conferences is that teams do not have a connection to each other by playing each other often enough. Virginia Tech's athletic director said this when canceling the East Carolina series ("We have more connection to non-conference and yearly scheduled ECU, than members of the ACC that we will not play for "X" number of years."). Additionally, Wake Forest and North Carolina created an out-of-conference game series because they "wish to play each other".

Before you condemn my thoughts, Georgia and Auburn had a big rivalry before the SEC expanded and the schools were placed in different divisions. All super-conferences have its growing pains.

Also- Many Big Ten fans wish their conference to remain "Midwest". This reflects in my decisions.

Finally- I had to make choices of some expanded teams. These are placeholders and for discussion only.

Pods

Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State

Ohio State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Penn State

Wake Forest, North Carolina, NC State, Duke

Virginia, Virginia Tech, Maryland, West Virginia

Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami

Boston College, Syracuse, Buffalo, Rutgers

Do you want to add the Pac 12? This is three more pods of four teams.

Hopefully, you can see the logic of the four-team pods. A commissioner's office can determine if scheduling is done by pods or by pairs to determine what is needed at the time. Think of it like NFL scheduling- Each year your pod rotates to another pod or two for scheduling. Additionally, really good teams play each other and poor teams beef up wins by playing weaker teams. There is a loose regional play here and, maybe, some rivalries can be preserved or plays more often than the rotation naturally allows (Ohio State-Michigan, North Carolina-Virginia, etc...).
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(01-18-2022 01:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  This was my first stab at 7 divisions of 6 teams each in the B1G/ACC/PAC super-conference. Teams in each division are listed in order of their ten year MSR (mean Sagarin rating). The number in parentheses before each division is its average MSR. I didn't even try to name the divisions.

(76) Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois

(75) Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Kansas

(74) Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers

(74) Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia

(76) Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland

(77) Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, California, Oregon State

(75) Southern Cal, Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado

******************************************************************

Ten game conference schedule. All schools will play everyone in their division and be allowed to have two permanent OOD rivals. For example, Clemson could play Florida State and Georgia Tech annually in conference and South Carolina OOC, plus three OOD conference games TBD by the conference. North Carolina could play NC State and Wake Forest every year. Georgia Tech could have Florida State in the round robin, plus Clemson OOD and Georgia OOC. Most rivalries could be accommodated.

I had all of the North Carolina and Virgina schools together, Maryland with Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame; Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, and Boston College. I could switch Boston College and Maryland. The others I had the same. I don't see why Miami and Florida State should be separated or the North Carolina schools. If you do put the four NC/two Va together, you have to put two oddball schools with FSU/Mia/GaT/Clem.
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(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)chess Wrote:  One of the challenges with having super-conferences is that teams do not have a connection to each other by playing each other often enough. Virginia Tech's athletic director said this when canceling the East Carolina series ("We have more connection to non-conference and yearly scheduled ECU, than members of the ACC that we will not play for "X" number of years."). Additionally, Wake Forest and North Carolina created an out-of-conference game series because they "wish to play each other".

Before you condemn my thoughts, Georgia and Auburn had a big rivalry before the SEC expanded and the schools were placed in different divisions. All super-conferences have its growing pains.

Georgia-Auburn continues to be a big rivalry with a relatively even series, Georgia leads 62-56-8. It's called the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry and has been played every year since 1944, it's been an annual crossover game since the SEC went to divisions in 1992.
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(01-18-2022 02:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 01:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  This was my first stab at 7 divisions of 6 teams each in the B1G/ACC/PAC super-conference. Teams in each division are listed in order of their ten year MSR (mean Sagarin rating). The number in parentheses before each division is its average MSR. I didn't even try to name the divisions.

(76) Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois

(75) Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Northwestern, Kansas

(74) Notre Dame, Penn State, Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, Rutgers

(74) Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia

(76) Clemson, Miami, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland

(77) Oregon, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, California, Oregon State

(75) Southern Cal, Utah, Arizona State, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado

******************************************************************

Ten game conference schedule. All schools will play everyone in their division and be allowed to have two permanent OOD rivals. For example, Clemson could play Florida State and Georgia Tech annually in conference and South Carolina OOC, plus three OOD conference games TBD by the conference. North Carolina could play NC State and Wake Forest every year. Georgia Tech could have Florida State in the round robin, plus Clemson OOD and Georgia OOC. Most rivalries could be accommodated.

I had all of the North Carolina and Virgina schools together, Maryland with Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame; Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, and Boston College. I could switch Boston College and Maryland. The others I had the same. I don't see why Miami and Florida State should be separated or the North Carolina schools. If you do put the four NC/two Va together, you have to put two oddball schools with FSU/Mia/GaT/Clem.

I arranged my divisions with a view toward not just geography but also comparative strength and school preferences. Your NC/VA division would have an MSR of only 72, while the Clemson/FSU division is 79. If you are going to have a CCT with all division champs included you want to have all the divisions to have a strong team at the top more often than not. Protected crossovers takes care of geography and rivalries.
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(01-18-2022 11:24 AM)chess Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 08:51 AM)XLance Wrote:  Move #2....ACC invites Baylor and TCU.

Waco and Fort Worth are a long way from Boston, Miami, and Chapel Hill. Why?

There are 30 million people in Texas with a lot of television sets and most of those folks love football and would love to subscribe to the ACC network.
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(01-18-2022 11:38 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  ]We've already heard that Clemson and Florida State want to go to the SEC.

We've also heard many (including those in this thread) suggest that the ACC is the next target.

I think it really comes down to whether NC et al want to stay in their own alliance or not.

If they do, then just let Florida State and Clemson go, and don't sweat it of ND leaves too. There is more to be made from a re-negotiated deal (and not just up front dollars) than trying to placate prima donnas who don't want to stay anyway.

So take WVa, Cinn, and UCF from the Big12.

And grab all the east-ish teams that people have suggested that the Big12 or the Pac or whomever, should be grabbing:

Memphis, and USF.

I don't think UCONN is leaving the Big East, so for the last one to even it out to 18, probably Temple.

Northeast: Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Temple
South Central:WVa, Cinn, Louisville, Memphis
Central: NC, NC state, Duke, WF, VA, VT
South: GT, Miami, USF, UCF

This would be stable and bring back together historical rivalries.

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And if NC decided that they didn't want to stay, then the ACC also loses NC, Duke, VA, and GT, and maybe VT and NC State. essentially the central division above plus GT.

In that case still invite all those mentioned above, and grab one more member for the south division and still survive as a 12 (or 14) member conference.

I don't think ACC is going anywhere, and I really don't see them merging to the Big12.

Either way, I think it's more likely that the ACC and the Big12 raid the AAC so that they survive and AAC likely does not.

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(01-18-2022 12:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I suspect you're right, having to swallow Louisville still frosts the Supper Club elitists. Their egos can only handle so much, they'll kill it themselves on their own terms before they'll allow their Ivory Towers to be overwhelmed by old Big East and commuter schools. They likely head off grudgingly to the B1G (with lots of grandstanding about the unparalleled academic opportunities of the CIC) rather than continue to run their own conference if the only way for it to survive is by elevating "those people" to their level.

All of the schools that were listed have good traditional campuses as well, regardless of the non-traditional students. Thus, I don't believe that whether or not any campus has a commuter population is the root of the "elitism."
Contemporary students in 2022 are MUCH more diverse in how they engage with their studies. It has more to do with the classic "Old Money" versus "New Money" phobia.
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(01-18-2022 03:09 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 12:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  I suspect you're right, having to swallow Louisville still frosts the Supper Club elitists. Their egos can only handle so much, they'll kill it themselves on their own terms before they'll allow their Ivory Towers to be overwhelmed by old Big East and commuter schools. They likely head off grudgingly to the B1G (with lots of grandstanding about the unparalleled academic opportunities of the CIC) rather than continue to run their own conference if the only way for it to survive is by elevating "those people" to their level.

All of the schools that were listed have good traditional campuses as well, regardless of the non-traditional students. Thus, I don't believe that whether or not any campus has a commuter population is the root of the "elitism."
Contemporary students in 2022 are MUCH more diverse in how they engage with their studies. It has more to do with the classic "Old Money" versus "New Money" phobia.

Yes, in fact I would say almost all movement at the top is about old money seeking deeper ties with other old money, and prestige seeking prestige mixed in with some geographical and cultural concerns. So put another way it has been socioeconomic, and class driven, and monetizing sports is the primary excuse.

I don't look for movement from the PAC unless it is in mass. Duke, North Carolina, Virginia will be likely, and FSU and Clemson would like to and will be motivated by money.

What you will see among the Big 12 and ACC are moves which will essentially consolidate schools in their current pay range. This is why a merger of ACC brands and B12 brands would be workable.

Duke, UNC & UVa are valuable as old line top academic schools, but representing 2 states with a combined 20 million population is the carrot which will put them in a pay range they have eschewed in order to stay in control in the ACC.
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People keep trying to add Memphis and Boise (or SDSU or SMU or Colorado State) to the Big 12 and there's no reasonable reason to think it will happen unless the conference gets raided again
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(01-18-2022 10:59 AM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  Further shuffling will only be caused by some form of what we just saw (i.e. a UT/OU/USC type scenario). It wouldn't be triggered by a Kansas. KU is already in the #1 basketball conference in the country (post-expansion), and the #3 football conference.

The hypothetical removal of the SEC's closest ally (the Big 12) - to set up a "3 vs 1" scenario - is probably the least likely possibility - especially in light of the actual competitiveness of the conferences. It would upset the balance of college athletics.

USC is the next malcontent that COULD possibly trigger an exodus, imo. Their removal doesn't pose an existential threat to the Golden Goose (in fact it could even help the balance of power), and USC AD Bohn has made it known that USC will look out for itself.

Half of the Pac 12 is dead wood. Not only financially, but competitively, the Pac 12 is widely speculated to be on borrowed time. The population trends in the West are also not working in the Pac 12's favor, and Bohn/USC has a ton to gain by bridging his access to the East. Geography is killing them right now. The next Pac 12 TV deal could bring on Defcon 1.

For a conference that in your opinion is, "the #3 football conference," where is the talent? In 2021, the Big 12 became the first power conference since 2006 to fail to have a first-round draft pick:
https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/...onference/
"On Thursday night, the Big 12 became the first Power Five conference to not have a first-round pick since the Big East in 2006 according to CBS Sports. To pour salt on the wound, Houston, BYU, Tulsa and North Dakota State each had more picks than the Big 12 in the first round."

Just to prove that 2021 was no fluke, the Big 12 has zero first round picks in the latest Mel Kiper mock draft:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft20...akobe-dean
In Kiper's mock draft, the SEC had 9, the Big Ten had 8, the Pac-12 had 5, the ACC had 4. Even the MWC had 2 first round picks in Kiper's mock draft. This is with Oklahoma and Texas. What happens when they leave? What happens to the Big 12 TV contract without OU and UT? Even with OU and UT, the Big 12 produces the least amount of NFL talent among the five power conferences.

USC is not leaving the Pac-12. Mike Bohn's comments were directed at then commissioner Larry Scott, who everyone knew had to go. USC has no desire to play in an eastern conference. Their furthest trip east in 2022 is to Salt Lake City. The malcontents are USC fans and alumni. USC got crushed at home this season by Stanford, Oregon State, Utah and UCLA. They had to hire someone like Lincoln Riley. USC fans have expectations for football and the team has not met them in a while. USC is a great example of what happens when a school hires an AD with no previous experience and a head coach with no previous experience.

The west is the second fastest growing region in the country. The west has seven of the 13 fastest growing states. The population in the west increase increased from 71.9 million in 2010 to 78.5 million in 2020. Geography is not a problem for the west.
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