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Sums up the issues with WMU Nicely. Just imagine if we were enabling and covering for a molester employee. Or if our president was emailing a female employee inappropriately.
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It's even worse in the athletic department. They are working on less than bare minimum staff wise with the President wanting more cuts
01-17-2022 05:11 PM
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The numbers in the union release and article do not tell the whole story only what supports there issues. The voters were 58.5% of the the union membership (750 versus 439) and of that 45.6% voted for the issue (750 versus 342). Thus 54.6% either did not support the question or rendered no opinion. That is a far cry from a universal dislike for the president and his actions. Significant unrest surely, but not at a catastrophic level yet.

The article indicates a union desire to be a part of the decision making under the shared governance theory of educational systems. However, long before the union was recognized, the Faculty Senate has filled the role as the formal advisor to the board and administration. The Senate has numerous sub committees dealing with many issues relating to university policy, degree criteria and degree offering and elimination. The Senate leader makes a schedule presentation at all board meetings along with two other shared governance groups (Western Student Association and the Graduate Student Association). What more could the union provide that the Senate does not already provide?

The union role is best when they protect faculty benefits and serve as an independent negotiator for benefits and compensation, and leave policy issues to the Senate. They are both critical role and best served in the current separation of responsibility.
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There is no measurable point that indicates Montgomery or the BOT is leading WMU in the right direction.

Take away the $550 million donation - which Montgomery had nothing to do with - and they have failed on every level.
01-18-2022 10:43 AM
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Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?
01-18-2022 02:34 PM
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(01-18-2022 02:34 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?

Not really. It was quite rare before Covid. In the case of MSU, it was the handling of the Larry Nassar situation.

Prior to Montgomery, Bailey had a vote of no confidence. Provost Greene also got a vote of no-confidence because of how he handled the firing of a beloved dean AND his refusal to address gender inequality in faculty hiring and pay.

There was a time when a vote of no confidence resulted in the President stepping down.
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(01-18-2022 05:59 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 02:34 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?

Not really. It was quite rare before Covid. In the case of MSU, it was the handling of the Larry Nassar situation.

Prior to Montgomery, Bailey had a vote of no confidence. Provost Greene also got a vote of no-confidence because of how he handled the firing of a beloved dean AND his refusal to address gender inequality in faculty hiring and pay.

There was a time when a vote of no confidence resulted in the President stepping down.

September 21, 2020
The University of Michigan Faculty Senate voted no confidence in President Mark Schlissel on Sept. 16.

I can keep going. There are a multitude of universities where faculties voted no confidence.
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(01-18-2022 07:18 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 05:59 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 02:34 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?

Not really. It was quite rare before Covid. In the case of MSU, it was the handling of the Larry Nassar situation.

Prior to Montgomery, Bailey had a vote of no confidence. Provost Greene also got a vote of no-confidence because of how he handled the firing of a beloved dean AND his refusal to address gender inequality in faculty hiring and pay.

There was a time when a vote of no confidence resulted in the President stepping down.

September 21, 2020
The University of Michigan Faculty Senate voted no confidence in President Mark Schlissel on Sept. 16.

I can keep going. There are a multitude of universities where faculties voted no confidence.

December 8, 2021
The Eastern Michigan University Faculty Senate voted no confidence in James Smith, president of the university, and two other top administrators Tuesday.
01-18-2022 07:26 PM
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(01-18-2022 07:26 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 07:18 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 05:59 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 02:34 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?

Not really. It was quite rare before Covid. In the case of MSU, it was the handling of the Larry Nassar situation.

Prior to Montgomery, Bailey had a vote of no confidence. Provost Greene also got a vote of no-confidence because of how he handled the firing of a beloved dean AND his refusal to address gender inequality in faculty hiring and pay.

There was a time when a vote of no confidence resulted in the President stepping down.

September 21, 2020
The University of Michigan Faculty Senate voted no confidence in President Mark Schlissel on Sept. 16.

I can keep going. There are a multitude of universities where faculties voted no confidence.

December 8, 2021
The Eastern Michigan University Faculty Senate voted no confidence in James Smith, president of the university, and two other top administrators Tuesday.

Just use Google, and you will find that Faculty Senates voted no confidence in presidents every where. I guess they might be pissed that football coaches get millions while faculty gets peanuts. Can't blame them.
01-18-2022 07:41 PM
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(01-18-2022 07:41 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 07:26 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 07:18 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 05:59 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-18-2022 02:34 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  Michigan, MSU, and about every university you can think of gets a faculty vote of no confidence. If WMU didn't it would be a rare exception. Why don't you just do a little searching before you get upset?

Not really. It was quite rare before Covid. In the case of MSU, it was the handling of the Larry Nassar situation.

Prior to Montgomery, Bailey had a vote of no confidence. Provost Greene also got a vote of no-confidence because of how he handled the firing of a beloved dean AND his refusal to address gender inequality in faculty hiring and pay.

There was a time when a vote of no confidence resulted in the President stepping down.

September 21, 2020
The University of Michigan Faculty Senate voted no confidence in President Mark Schlissel on Sept. 16.

I can keep going. There are a multitude of universities where faculties voted no confidence.

December 8, 2021
The Eastern Michigan University Faculty Senate voted no confidence in James Smith, president of the university, and two other top administrators Tuesday.

Just use Google, and you will find that Faculty Senates voted no confidence in presidents every where. I guess they might be pissed that football coaches get millions while faculty gets peanuts. Can't blame them.

I think BroncoFan1 has a pretty good handle of the climate of campus. Things have gotten much worse under the current administration.
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(01-21-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  So many there is a data base05-nono

https://www.seanmckinniss.org/no-confide...-database/

Thank you for this.

Of the nearly 4000 degree awarding higher education institutions, just over 200 of them have had votes of no confidence. IN 30 YEARS.

Roughly 5% of all higher education institutions in the US have had a vote in 30 years.

Can we move on now?
01-21-2022 09:47 PM
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(01-21-2022 09:47 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  So many there is a data base05-nono

https://www.seanmckinniss.org/no-confide...-database/

Thank you for this.

Of the nearly 4000 degree awarding higher education institutions, just over 200 of them have had votes of no confidence. IN 30 YEARS.

Roughly 5% of all higher education institutions in the US have had a vote in 30 years.

Can we move on now?

So it's just Western, MSU, UM, and EMU that are recent. Yes we can move on.
01-22-2022 10:28 AM
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(01-22-2022 10:28 AM)AllBronco Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 09:47 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  
(01-21-2022 02:23 PM)AllBronco Wrote:  So many there is a data base05-nono

https://www.seanmckinniss.org/no-confide...-database/

Thank you for this.

Of the nearly 4000 degree awarding higher education institutions, just over 200 of them have had votes of no confidence. IN 30 YEARS.

Roughly 5% of all higher education institutions in the US have had a vote in 30 years.

Can we move on now?

So it's just Western, MSU, UM, and EMU that are recent. Yes we can move on.

CMU faculty also had a vote of no confidence in former President Ross. The faculty picketed in front of Kelly-Shorts Stadium prior to a CMU & You football game with NIU. That action led to at least one high schooler I know to reject CMU admissions. She went to Adrian
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The BOT meeting yesterday was interesting. Especially the comments made by chairperson Zhang at the end.

She stated that the $75K bonus and raise for the President were decided upon in December of 2020 based on his performance and overall financial position of the University.

But if you recap 2020 you will see that he fired scores of frontline and support staff across campus. Departments that were well below funding baselines to begin with were gutted even more. Scholarships that were meant to be allocated for students were held back. Funding lines promised for upgrades and support were pulled. Graduate assistantships were slashed.

They didn't give him the bonus they agreed to in December 2020 because of optics, so they waited until last month.

This is a joke of a board, propping up a joke of a president. Our University deserves so much better than these clowns. They have no vision for our future, and are hopelessly out of touch with our present.
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(01-22-2022 07:44 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The BOT meeting yesterday was interesting. Especially the comments made by chairperson Zhang at the end.

She stated that the $75K bonus and raise for the President were decided upon in December of 2020 based on his performance and overall financial position of the University.

But if you recap 2020 you will see that he fired scores of frontline and support staff across campus. Departments that were well below funding baselines to begin with were gutted even more. Scholarships that were meant to be allocated for students were held back. Funding lines promised for upgrades and support were pulled. Graduate assistantships were slashed.

They didn't give him the bonus they agreed to in December 2020 because of optics, so they waited until last month.

This is a joke of a board, propping up a joke of a president. Our University deserves so much better than these clowns. They have no vision for our future, and are hopelessly out of touch with our present.

I would suggest every alumnus on this board to take the time to watch the Board of Trustees meeting -- the link is posted on their website: https://wmich.edu/trustees

I highly doubt any of the Trustees follow this forum, but I would like to make a suggestion. If you're on the board, you owe it to the WMU community to at least look like you're interested in the public comments towards the end of the meeting. When certain members of the board are having a side conversation or fumbling around while on a Zoom call during the comments, it certainly doesn't look like you have any interest in what people have to say.

On a side note, my wife was on a company wide Zoom meeting when an employee made a remark caught on audio. At the end of the meeting it was announced the employee was no longer employed with the company.
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(01-22-2022 10:52 PM)BroncoMD Wrote:  
(01-22-2022 07:44 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The BOT meeting yesterday was interesting. Especially the comments made by chairperson Zhang at the end.

She stated that the $75K bonus and raise for the President were decided upon in December of 2020 based on his performance and overall financial position of the University.

But if you recap 2020 you will see that he fired scores of frontline and support staff across campus. Departments that were well below funding baselines to begin with were gutted even more. Scholarships that were meant to be allocated for students were held back. Funding lines promised for upgrades and support were pulled. Graduate assistantships were slashed.

They didn't give him the bonus they agreed to in December 2020 because of optics, so they waited until last month.

This is a joke of a board, propping up a joke of a president. Our University deserves so much better than these clowns. They have no vision for our future, and are hopelessly out of touch with our present.

I would suggest every alumnus on this board to take the time to watch the Board of Trustees meeting -- the link is posted on their website: https://wmich.edu/trustees

I highly doubt any of the Trustees follow this forum, but I would like to make a suggestion. If you're on the board, you owe it to the WMU community to at least look like you're interested in the public comments towards the end of the meeting. When certain members of the board are having a side conversation or fumbling around while on a Zoom call during the comments, it certainly doesn't look like you have any interest in what people have to say.

On a side note, my wife was on a company wide Zoom meeting when an employee made a remark caught on audio. At the end of the meeting it was announced the employee was no longer employed with the company.

Come on man, we need to know what the remark was now that got them fired!
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(01-22-2022 07:44 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The BOT meeting yesterday was interesting. Especially the comments made by chairperson Zhang at the end.

She stated that the $75K bonus and raise for the President were decided upon in December of 2020 based on his performance and overall financial position of the University.

But if you recap 2020 you will see that he fired scores of frontline and support staff across campus. Departments that were well below funding baselines to begin with were gutted even more. Scholarships that were meant to be allocated for students were held back. Funding lines promised for upgrades and support were pulled. Graduate assistantships were slashed.

They didn't give him the bonus they agreed to in December 2020 because of optics, so they waited until last month.

This is a joke of a board, propping up a joke of a president. Our University deserves so much better than these clowns. They have no vision for our future, and are hopelessly out of touch with our present.

If all that Zhand said is true, then I am in agreement with you.
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The reason for no-confidence vote for all these schools revolves around one factor….declining enrollment. (All effected in different ways by it). Ultimately the finances of an institution are connected to enrollment. As finances tighten you piss people off with cuts, increased responsibility, or a general nervousness about job security. It’s not rocket science.
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