(01-24-2022 02:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Too many people are trying to find some type of legal or contractual solution to what is fundamentally an economic problem.

You can't just magically say, "The football team will legally separate to be a third party club that is licensing the name 'The Ohio State Buckeyes' and, therefore, it's a totally separate unaffiliated entity that doesn't have to worry about Title IX and other compliance issues!"

You can't just magically say, "All Division I athletes can be paid while all Division II/III/IV athletes won't be paid!" The whole point of all of these rulings is that it doesn't matter whether an athlete is playing for a P5 school or a junior college - they ALL are entitled to payment.

Congress isn't stepping in. Legislators DGAF whether these athletes are getting paid (and if anything, it's one of the few things that seems to unite both the liberals that support student equity and conservatives that want to see their state schools dominate on the field).

All schools - Division I, II, III, etc. - are going to have to subject to paying their athletes. Now, how *much* that payment might be is an economic question. It's not a legal one, though.

At the same time, there is NO such thing as unilateral disengagement or choosing not to participate outside of not having any teams at all. People REALLY need to internalize this because, ironically, I think it's going to cause a lot LESS change than what people think. Everyone is getting thrust into this at the same time and, if the reality is that you're going to have to pay your athletes no matter what level you're at, then it continues to behoove everyone to make as much revenue in the exact same manner is today. NO ONE is downgrading.

Not suggesting that any school needs to downgrade...anyone who is Division I, II or III can remain in their division.

But doesn't it appear that Sankey, and other P5 leaders, are favoring a multi-tiered D1? Using the concept of FBS versus FCS: 1) one tier of D1 has higher thresholds of investment on athletes and 2) another tier maintains the current scholarship rules. In the first tier, schools could be required to sponsor at least xx sports or provide yyy athletic scholarships or provide a minimum $zz,zzz in stipends beyond the current scholarship level. This allows an increase in scholarships for non-revenue sports such as baseball or softball...a pet peeve of Sankey.

(01-16-2022 06:56 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I don't think the NCAA is going to disappear.

The main question may be whether any group splits away at some point.

(01-16-2022 06:56 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  I do believe that players will get paid after the lawsuit goes through the Supreme Court in a regulated but free-market system. What that is I don't know.

Many are being paid now, in the form of athletic scholarships, but their payments are/will be increasing...to what extent and with how much variation, it remains to be seen.

"...athletic scholarships are typically one-year agreements between the college and the athlete, although some are multi-year. They are offered at the NCAA D1 and D2 levels, as well as at the NAIA and NJCAA levels—combined, that's thousands of schools."

Athletic Scholarships: Everything You Need to Know - NCSA
https://www.google.com/search?q=do+d2+athletes+receive+financial+aid&sxsrf=AOaemvKnXRo9S088zHbkGCj970X0xGd4fg%3A1643093064134&ei=SJzvYfiwB9OGytMPk9-OmAU&ved=0ahUKEwj49K3Tpsz1AhVTg3IEHZOvA1MQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=do+d2+athletes+receive+financial+aid&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCrAjIFCCEQqwI6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECc6BQguEJECOggIABCxAxCDAToOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAEIAEELEDOgsILhCABBDHARCjAjoQCAAQgAQQhwIQsQMQgwEQFDoFCAAQkQI6BAguEEM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhCABBCxAzoFCC4QgAQ6BAgAEEM6BQgAEIAEOgUIABCxAzoKCAAQgAQQhwIQFDoFCAAQhgM6BggAEBYQHjoICCEQFhAdEB5KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ9QZY4kNgx0ZoAXACeACAAd0DiAH-HJIBCjI4LjUuMi4wLjGYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

"All scholarships at the NCAA DII level are equivalency scholarships, which mean the majority are partial scholarships. However, you can still get a full-scholarship at the D2 level when you find the right school."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/01/how-coll...olicy.html

(01-16-2022 06:56 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The NCAA will have four Divisions- 1, 2, 3, 4.

No one seems to know for sure how many there will be, at this point.

(01-16-2022 06:56 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The NCAA will have Division 1 will be the only division where you will have to pay players in all sports...

I can't imagine it could possibly be that simple.

The Supreme Court seems to have made it pretty clear that they won't accept arbitrary distinctions being made by the NCAA as a whole (or by the specific NCAA divisions) as to which student athletes can and can't be paid in various ways.

For example, if there's a local athletic "hero" at some D-3 school that nearby businesses want to reward handsomely, is the Supreme Court going to allow the NCAA to butt in and say they can't do it?

On the other hand, they do seem to have said that conferences can have such rules. If that's true, there might be D3 schools that allow hefty payments and some that don't.

The only problem with that, of course, is that those that do allow payments would hardly be competing on an even playing field with other teams in their conference.

The implications could be pretty mind-boggling.

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