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Liberty, NMSU, BYU dumping games
With three schools shifting from independence to conference membership, I was wondering how many games they needed to cancel to be able to play a conference schedule. Liberty and BYU have already unloaded some of their inventory. I am basing this on the assumption they will be playing an eight game conference schedule, starting in 2023. Schedule information comes from this site: https://fbschedules.com/future-college-f...schedules/

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2023: They currently have nine games listed. One is against future CUSA rival NMSU, which gets them down to eight. They have both UCONN and UMASS on the schedule. They aren’t currently scheduled to play each other, so perhaps they would agree to help out. Both games are at Liberty, so a buyout might be needed.

Current overage: 4

2024: They have a full 12 games listed. Two of them are NMSU and FIU, so that’s a start.

Current overage: 6

2025: They have ten games this season. Two are against MTSU and WKU, so that gets them down to eight. They also again host UMASS and UCONN, who don’t play each other. Perhaps these two could agree to play again.
Current overage: 4

2026: They have nine scheduled. One is NMSU. They have Army and UMASS, but they already play each other.

Current overage: 4

2027: Five scheduled, but one is NMSU

2028: Six games scheduled, one against NMSU.

Current overage: 1

Beyond 2028, they don’t have any seasons with an overage.

Total overage is 19 games.


NMSU
2023: They have ten games listed. But that includes Liberty and UTEP as well as a game at Hawaii, which doesn’t count against the 12 game limit.

Current overage: 3

2024: They have eleven for this year. It includes Liberty and UTEP. They also host Hawaii. Hawaii currently only has four OOC games in 2025, so maybe they’d be willing to move the return visit back a year.

Current overage: 5

2025: They have five listed. Two are Liberty and UTEP. That puts them one under, so it would be a perfect place to slide in the 2024 Hawaii game.

Current overage: 0

Beyond 2025, they don’t have any seasons with an overage.

Total overage is 8 games.

BYU
2024: Six games listed

Total overage: 3

2025: Two games scheduled.

Current overage: 0

2026: Seven scheduled.

Current overage: 4

2027: Two scheduled

2028: Four scheduled

Current overage: 1

Beyond 2028, they don’t have any seasons with an overage.

Total overage is 8 games.

NMSU Is in good shape with only eight games they need to unload with one simple fix in moving the 2024 Hawaii game. Liberty and BYU have a lot of work to do. Liberty has four quick fixes if UCONN and UMASS agree.

Obviously, they have time to work this out but 2023 will be here before you know it. The future conference mates on their schedules now have holes to fill so maybe they could help them out if they can line up dates.

Of course, we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes or what the buyouts are or if they had a clause that canceled the game if they joined a conference.
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(01-16-2022 12:34 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  With three schools shifting from independence to conference membership, I was wondering how many games they needed to cancel to be able to play a conference schedule. Liberty and BYU have already unloaded some of their inventory. I am basing this on the assumption they will be playing an eight game conference schedule, starting in 2023. Schedule information comes from this site: https://fbschedules.com/future-college-f...schedules/

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2023: They currently have ten games listed. One is against future CUSA rival NMSU, which gets them down to nine. They have both UCONN and UMASS on the schedule. They aren’t currently scheduled to play each other, so perhaps they would agree to help out. Both games are at Liberty, so a buyout might be needed.

Current overage: 5

Welcome Gamecock cousin, great name! Liberty is still scheduled to play at South Carolina on 11/4/23, I've been curious to see if that game stays on the schedule. I'm assuming they would prefer to cancel some of the other games if possible, they're probably getting more $ to come to Columbia and I'm sure they relish the possibility of knocking off a SEC team at home as well.
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$money is making the decisions.

ADs are clearing game they can without financial penalty first. That doesn't mean they don't have to negotiate the these; last thing they want to do is burn bridges. After they remove those, they turn to those they can push out into future years, and those they can buy out of relatively cheaply. Obviously games between the school and members of their new conference will likely be mutually released to the league to schedule, unless they both want to use the specific date they currently have for the game.

Without seeing the actual contracts and their specific terms we have no way to do anything other than speculate.

Were I speculating I'd do it the other way around. Assume 8 (C-USA) or 9 (Big 12) games, and lock in the NMSU-New Mexico game. After that are there any "must" keep games? For Liberty and BYU having 6 home games is a must, while for NMSU having at least one and maybe two "pay date" games is critical.

Note, if there is a loophole schools can take advantage of for a 13th game, such as a kickoff game or Hawaii exemption, they'll use that.

Go kill yourself figuring it out. I'll just wait for the schedule release. The ADs are paid very large salaries, into the 7 digits to figure that out; let them earn their money.
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Fresno will for sure be impacted with games BYU (23), New Mexico St. (24), @BYU (27). They and USC will both have an opening in 23 but Fresno already plays @Purdue and @Arz State and need a home game. Fresno plays @USC in 22, 26, 28. Wonder if USC returns the favor to make up the BYU game?
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I am wondering how many games that Sam Houston and Jacksonville St can pick up particularly in ‘23 and ‘24 from these schools. With scheduling what it is and done years out (mostly), these schools each need three games (if not four, pending how their FBS game contracts as it relates to the transitions were handled)
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(01-16-2022 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I am wondering how many games that Sam Houston and Jacksonville St can pick up particularly in ‘23 and ‘24 from these schools.

They can pick up some away games, assuming their transitions to FBS are far enough along that games against them count as games against FBS opponents. Picking up home games might be a harder sell, depending on the team. For example, Boise State has a 2023 game at BYU that seems likely to be canceled or postponed well into the future, and Boise is likely to want to replace that with either a home game or an away game against a P opponent.
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The only issue for JSU and SHSU is the 2022 season, when they count as FCS. Next year they count as a FBS opponent, even if they aren't technically postseason eligible (although they can go bowling under the right circumstances). While I doubt they would host a P5 or even a higher G5 like Boise State, I suppose Jacksonville State could always shift a home game to Legion Field.
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Jax State has one game each in 2023, 2025, and 2026. So they can be a big help here.

Sam Houston has three in 2023. But two are FCS games so they may want to drop one. In 2024 they have one FCS and one FBS. They have two FCS in 2025. One FCS in 2027 and one FBS in 2028.

I had no idea where the list was going when I started. I’m not trying to do the ADs’ job and only made a couple suggestions for obvious fixes, like Hawaii at NMSU moving back a year. Certainly not digging through tons of schedules so find openings. I just find things like this interesting.
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RE: Liberty, NMSU, BYU dumping games
(01-16-2022 06:36 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Jax State has one game each in 2023, 2025, and 2026. So they can be a big help here.

Sam Houston has three in 2023. But two are FCS games so they may want to drop one. In 2024 they have one FCS and one FBS. They have two FCS in 2025. One FCS in 2027 and one FBS in 2028.

I had no idea where the list was going when I started. I’m not trying to do the ADs’ job and only made a couple suggestions for obvious fixes, like Hawaii at NMSU moving back a year. Certainly not digging through tons of schedules so find openings. I just find things like this interesting.


The non-conference schedules are scheduled years in advance. Conference schedules are usually a few months before. Sam Houston and Jacksonville State need only worry about scheduling four non-conference games from 2023 moving forward. Conference USA will help fix the eight remaining games.

As for Liberty, New Mexico State, and BYU, every game is a non-conference game, so that task can be daunting for them. Many of those games will get cancelled especially against ACC, B1G, and Pac-12 schools moving to the Alliance scheduling. Others would likely be postponed to a later year.
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(01-16-2022 07:36 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 06:36 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Jax State has one game each in 2023, 2025, and 2026. So they can be a big help here.

Sam Houston has three in 2023. But two are FCS games so they may want to drop one. In 2024 they have one FCS and one FBS. They have two FCS in 2025. One FCS in 2027 and one FBS in 2028.

I had no idea where the list was going when I started. I’m not trying to do the ADs’ job and only made a couple suggestions for obvious fixes, like Hawaii at NMSU moving back a year. Certainly not digging through tons of schedules so find openings. I just find things like this interesting.


The non-conference schedules are scheduled years in advance. Conference schedules are usually a few months before. Sam Houston and Jacksonville State need only worry about scheduling four non-conference games from 2023 moving forward. Conference USA will help fix the eight remaining games.

As for Liberty, New Mexico State, and BYU, every game is a non-conference game, so that task can be daunting for them. Many of those games will get cancelled especially against ACC, B1G, and Pac-12 schools moving to the Alliance scheduling. Others would likely be postponed to a later year.

I am aware Sam and Jax State will be in a conference and have eight games guaranteed. I brought up their future OOC games to show they had room to pick up games from the soon to be former independents.

What exactly is this alliance scheduling and when is it supposed to begin? It won’t help them clear up space when it comes to G5 games.
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(01-17-2022 05:26 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 07:36 PM)All4One Wrote:  
(01-16-2022 06:36 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Jax State has one game each in 2023, 2025, and 2026. So they can be a big help here.

Sam Houston has three in 2023. But two are FCS games so they may want to drop one. In 2024 they have one FCS and one FBS. They have two FCS in 2025. One FCS in 2027 and one FBS in 2028.

I had no idea where the list was going when I started. I’m not trying to do the ADs’ job and only made a couple suggestions for obvious fixes, like Hawaii at NMSU moving back a year. Certainly not digging through tons of schedules so find openings. I just find things like this interesting.


The non-conference schedules are scheduled years in advance. Conference schedules are usually a few months before. Sam Houston and Jacksonville State need only worry about scheduling four non-conference games from 2023 moving forward. Conference USA will help fix the eight remaining games.

As for Liberty, New Mexico State, and BYU, every game is a non-conference game, so that task can be daunting for them. Many of those games will get cancelled especially against ACC, B1G, and Pac-12 schools moving to the Alliance scheduling. Others would likely be postponed to a later year.

I am aware Sam and Jax State will be in a conference and have eight games guaranteed. I brought up their future OOC games to show they had room to pick up games from the soon to be former independents.

What exactly is this alliance scheduling and when is it supposed to begin? It won’t help them clear up space when it comes to G5 games.

The Alliance schedule is the scheduling agreement between the ACC, B1G, and Pac-12. It must be starting in 2023.

This is a big reason why Virginia wanted to cancel future games against BYU and Liberty. I think you'll see more scheduled games from 2023 and beyond altered and canceled by schools in those three conferences.

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I’m hopeful that WKU, MTSU, UTEP, and FIU will be able to help out Liberty and NMSU and take on some of those games that those 2 programs need to drop.

I think UMass and UConn could also be useful partners, and that some of the teams the new C-USA teams need to drop would be ok with one of those two as a substitute.
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(01-16-2022 05:43 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  I am wondering how many games that Sam Houston and Jacksonville St can pick up particularly in ‘23 and ‘24 from these schools. With scheduling what it is and done years out (mostly), these schools each need three games (if not four, pending how their FBS game contracts as it relates to the transitions were handled)

MWC schools have had a long history of getting PAC schools to play at their stadiums….with one exception: USC. Other than games at Hawaii it doesn’t seem USC plays at MWC stadiums. I could be wrong. ?
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Article on the arduous process that Liberty is undertaking to undo its football scheduling

https://newsadvance.com/sports/college/l...7c01b.html
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From the article:

“What we’re going to try to get to eventually is a model where we’re playing one regional Power Five every year, a regional FCS every year and two Group of Five rivalry games each year. That’s what we want to get to,” McCaw said. “Now I can’t promise we’re going to get there in 2023 or 2024 just because we’ve got a lot of work to do going from 12 games to four games. That’s what we’re aiming for. Mickey’s doing a great job, we’re making a lot of progress, and we are working daily on football scheduling.”

This is small time thinking in my opinion. I get playing one FCS team to guarantee a 7th home game every other year but if Liberty is trying to make a name for itself, it needs to be playing at least 2 P5 opponents a year if it can.
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Why?

Liberty - unlike most G5 - do not need the money of playing P5 opponents. I wish Sam Houston only needed one P5 but alas, they will need two. Means we lose out on ideal home schedules with some years of five, others of six.

Liberty should be able to play seven home games annually and have a good shot at 10+ win seasons that will get them nationally ranked particularly if they knock off that P5.
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(01-23-2022 09:36 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Why?

Liberty - unlike most G5 - do not need the money of playing P5 opponents. I wish Sam Houston only needed one P5 but alas, they will need two. Means we lose out on ideal home schedules with some years of five, others of six.

Liberty should be able to play seven home games annually and have a good shot at 10+ win seasons that will get them nationally ranked particularly if they knock off that P5.

They should be scheduling two P5 home and homes every year, not buy games. Liberty moving to C-USA IMO actually reduces their chances of making a 12-team playoff if they go undefeated. If a 13-0 Liberty only plays one P5 (e.g. Virginia), are they going to get in over a 12-1 Boise State? Probably not. But if a 12-0 Liberty plays 2-3 P5 schools plus Army they could realistically get an at-large spot.
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(01-23-2022 09:42 AM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-23-2022 09:36 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Why?

Liberty - unlike most G5 - do not need the money of playing P5 opponents. I wish Sam Houston only needed one P5 but alas, they will need two. Means we lose out on ideal home schedules with some years of five, others of six.

Liberty should be able to play seven home games annually and have a good shot at 10+ win seasons that will get them nationally ranked particularly if they knock off that P5.

They should be scheduling two P5 home and homes every year, not buy games. Liberty moving to C-USA IMO actually reduces their chances of making a 12-team playoff if they go undefeated. If a 13-0 Liberty only plays one P5 (e.g. Virginia), are they going to get in over a 12-1 Boise State? Probably not. But if a 12-0 Liberty plays 2-3 P5 schools plus Army they could realistically get an at-large spot.

Coastal Carolina was ranked 14th in the polls at one point last season with only one Power 5 school on the schedule--a home game against woeful Kansas. Had they gone undefeated, they could have finished in the Top 12.
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Liberty is now budget conscious. The disgrace and fall of Jerry Falwell, Jr. mean that one man's vision and willingness to pour unlimited money into the program are over. This is why Liberty joined conference USA to swap games against BYU, Virginia and other high profile marquee opponents for the likes of Louisiana Tech, Jax State and Sam Houston State. C-USA offers 8 games a year without paying anything, plus a share of conference CFP money. They know full well C-USA is looking into the abyss as far as future TV package goes (not that the current one is much better), and they know the profile is low.

This is not a move BYU would have made during their Independence, and not one UConn would make, or even it seems UMass. This is strictly for immediate budget relief. It's clear as day that Liberty is now watching the budget. Forget the bold open checkbook days of JF2, this is a new era for Liberty, where professional administrators run the show, and the program will have some limits on the level of institutional transfers like every other school.
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...generally speaking, C-USA might allow a team to 'count' one of their scheduled games as a 'conference game', although not against a conference team.

Sounds weird, but it's happened - my Blazers were in this situation SOMEhow back in 2000 - either we were still 'transitioning' to a full DIV.I slate, or there were an odd # of C-USA teams at the time, or SOMEthing...

...anyway, we were one short in terms of scheduled conference opponents. So C-USA picked two of our OOC games, and let us designate which one would be the 'conference' game...

...the two choices were LSU on the road, OR Kansas (who was 'fair-to-middlin' in those days) at home. Well, DUH - Kansas was the designated 'conference' game we chose.

SO, what do WE do? Go to Baton Rouge and BEAT LSU in Saban's first season, then turn around and LOSE to Kansas at Legion Field... THAT is the Watson Brown Era at UAB in a NUTSHELL, y'all... 03-drunk03-lmfao
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