(01-19-2022 10:07 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:19 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Last time I checked Drew was still in some horrid Texas town
hallelujah not with us hallelujah



Not a fan of any coach who herds his players to the baptism pool to get dunked,



WACO, Texas – Baylor coach Scott Drew stood outside the media interview room at the Ferrell Center collecting his thoughts.

It was Feb. 4 and his team had just suffered its seventh loss in eight games, this one by 17 points to Kansas as part of a 2-8 start in Big 12 play.

Before Drew entered the room to answer questions about what wasn’t working, why and what he could do to fix it after plummeting out of the top 10 of the polls, he saw Scott Brewer, one of the Bears’ two team chaplains.

Drew grabbed Brewer as he passed by in the hall.

"We may not win another game this year, and I may be a horrible coach," Drew told him, "but if any of these guys leave without knowing Christ, that will be the real loss."

Feel better? Cause that was gross.....you, not Drew.....

Thank you, but I can’t take credit. The link didn’t show up

Here ya go — full article. uplifting . There are many but this one goes with the story.

https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/tex...s-changed/

(01-19-2022 07:53 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 08:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol. What about this do you not understand?

We are a secular university. All religions are accepted equally. None are made mandatory.

If you make it a requirement, or put pressure on your team to get baptized in your personal religion,,,no matter what religion,,,that's a no-no.

Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians are Christians too... none of those would allow it either.

You are really bothered by the fact that college athletes voluntarily attend a Christan college and then people at that Christan college encourage and promote their religion to those athletes? Seems like that is to be expected. If they do not want a religion promoted or encouraged then they should probably choose one of the public/secular institutions. It is not like kids going to Baylor to play basketball do not have their pick of almost any college in the country to play ball at.

lol. I'm not sure why you guys want to think you are being persecuted. It's not about me or you--or our personal beliefs.

It's about the legality and the lawsuits that a publicly funded school would open itself to if it hired a coach who openly preached, promoted and/or baptized his team players in any religion--whether it was his religion or not is irrelevant.

Coach K, for example was raised as a Catholic. I'm betting he is not asking or pushing his BB team to become Catholic...I'm guessing he's not preaching the particulars of Catholicism at them. If Coach K coached for Notre Dame, he could do that and it would not be a prob unless the head guy said to stop.

People who attend a religious school should know that there is that element/
My Catholic friend didn't...lol. He had an athletic Schollie to BYU.

He was so clueless that it took him totally by surprise when after his first year, the mormon 'guys' took him to a special room where he was very much outnumbered. They strongly encouraged him to become a Mormon. lol

There was nothing wrong with that, imo. BYU is a Mormon University after all. He said no, btw,. and was then ostracized by the Mormon players. lol

Back to Scott Drew. He uses a strong Baptist religious approach to coaching. Fine for Baylor.

Maybe he wouldn't do that at a public college. Maybe he would. Maybe he'd change his approach to coaching. Maybe he wouldn't. shrug. No one has given him a shot any where else. Why is that.

You are all over the map and just rambling...

1. I never mentioned persecution. I have never mentioned anything about faith other than questioning why you find it offensive and surprising that a Baptist coach who coaches at a Baptists university promotes the Baptist religion to his players? Of course he does, that seems like common sense. If I walk into a Baptist church I assume I am going to hear a Baptist message.

2. I have no idea why you keep falling back on the idea that it would be illegal at a public university. Baylor is not a public university. It is a private Baptist university. Also, I believe teams having chaplains, even at public universities, is pretty common.

3. If your friend attended BYU and had no clue about the religious connection and requirements then that says far more about your friend than it does BYU or other Mormon athletes at a Mormon college promoting the Mormon faith to non-Mormon teammates. If I walk into a Mormon church then I assume I am getting a Mormon sermon.

4. Scott Drew is at Baylor by choice. The guy could pick up the phone for any coaching opening this offseason and get the job in less time then it takes him to walk to the Baptism pool on Baylor's campus.

Your bullet points are irrelevant to my main point.

Who cares what he did or does at Baylor ? I don’t.
It’s fine there.


Would he continue to coach in that manner at a public school?

Who knows . Maybe someone will take that chance. Or maybe not .

His nature is to be evangelical — can he coach as effectively at a non evangelical institution without following or flowing with his heart….?

(01-19-2022 01:07 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:53 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 08:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol. What about this do you not understand?

We are a secular university. All religions are accepted equally. None are made mandatory.

If you make it a requirement, or put pressure on your team to get baptized in your personal religion,,,no matter what religion,,,that's a no-no.

Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians are Christians too... none of those would allow it either.

You are really bothered by the fact that college athletes voluntarily attend a Christan college and then people at that Christan college encourage and promote their religion to those athletes? Seems like that is to be expected. If they do not want a religion promoted or encouraged then they should probably choose one of the public/secular institutions. It is not like kids going to Baylor to play basketball do not have their pick of almost any college in the country to play ball at.

lol. I'm not sure why you guys want to think you are being persecuted. It's not about me or you--or our personal beliefs.

It's about the legality and the lawsuits that a publicly funded school would open itself to if it hired a coach who openly preached, promoted and/or baptized his team players in any religion--whether it was his religion or not is irrelevant.

Coach K, for example was raised as a Catholic. I'm betting he is not asking or pushing his BB team to become Catholic...I'm guessing he's not preaching the particulars of Catholicism at them. If Coach K coached for Notre Dame, he could do that and it would not be a prob unless the head guy said to stop.

People who attend a religious school should know that there is that element/
My Catholic friend didn't...lol. He had an athletic Schollie to BYU.

He was so clueless that it took him totally by surprise when after his first year, the mormon 'guys' took him to a special room where he was very much outnumbered. They strongly encouraged him to become a Mormon. lol

There was nothing wrong with that, imo. BYU is a Mormon University after all. He said no, btw,. and was then ostracized by the Mormon players. lol

Back to Scott Drew. He uses a strong Baptist religious approach to coaching. Fine for Baylor.

Maybe he wouldn't do that at a public college. Maybe he would. Maybe he'd change his approach to coaching. Maybe he wouldn't. shrug. No one has given him a shot any where else. Why is that.

You are all over the map and just rambling...

1. I never mentioned persecution. I have never mentioned anything about faith other than questioning why you find it offensive and surprising that a Baptist coach who coaches at a Baptists university promotes the Baptist religion to his players? Of course he does, that seems like common sense. If I walk into a Baptist church I assume I am going to hear a Baptist message.

2. I have no idea why you keep falling back on the idea that it would be illegal at a public university. Baylor is not a public university. It is a private Baptist university. Also, I believe teams having chaplains, even at public universities, is pretty common.

3. If your friend attended BYU and had no clue about the religious connection and requirements then that says far more about your friend than it does BYU or other Mormon athletes at a Mormon college promoting the Mormon faith to non-Mormon teammates. If I walk into a Mormon church then I assume I am getting a Mormon sermon.

4. Scott Drew is at Baylor by choice. The guy could pick up the phone for any coaching opening this offseason and get the job in less time then it takes him to walk to the Baptism pool on Baylor's campus.

Your bullet points are irrelevant to my main point.

Who cares what he did or does at Baylor ? I don’t.
It’s fine there.


Would he continue to coach in that manner at a public school?

Who knows . Maybe someone will take that chance. Or maybe not .

His nature is to be evangelical — can he coach as effectively at a non evangelical institution without following or flowing with his heart….?

Why wouldn’t he be? Are you saying that even if he gets a job outside of coaching basketball, they should be concerned about whether or not he could perform duties without trying to baptize all his coworkers?

Is this your stance on indoctrination in general?

Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

(01-19-2022 01:07 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:53 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 08:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol. What about this do you not understand?

We are a secular university. All religions are accepted equally. None are made mandatory.

If you make it a requirement, or put pressure on your team to get baptized in your personal religion,,,no matter what religion,,,that's a no-no.

Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians are Christians too... none of those would allow it either.

You are really bothered by the fact that college athletes voluntarily attend a Christan college and then people at that Christan college encourage and promote their religion to those athletes? Seems like that is to be expected. If they do not want a religion promoted or encouraged then they should probably choose one of the public/secular institutions. It is not like kids going to Baylor to play basketball do not have their pick of almost any college in the country to play ball at.

lol. I'm not sure why you guys want to think you are being persecuted. It's not about me or you--or our personal beliefs.

It's about the legality and the lawsuits that a publicly funded school would open itself to if it hired a coach who openly preached, promoted and/or baptized his team players in any religion--whether it was his religion or not is irrelevant.

Coach K, for example was raised as a Catholic. I'm betting he is not asking or pushing his BB team to become Catholic...I'm guessing he's not preaching the particulars of Catholicism at them. If Coach K coached for Notre Dame, he could do that and it would not be a prob unless the head guy said to stop.

People who attend a religious school should know that there is that element/
My Catholic friend didn't...lol. He had an athletic Schollie to BYU.

He was so clueless that it took him totally by surprise when after his first year, the mormon 'guys' took him to a special room where he was very much outnumbered. They strongly encouraged him to become a Mormon. lol

There was nothing wrong with that, imo. BYU is a Mormon University after all. He said no, btw,. and was then ostracized by the Mormon players. lol

Back to Scott Drew. He uses a strong Baptist religious approach to coaching. Fine for Baylor.

Maybe he wouldn't do that at a public college. Maybe he would. Maybe he'd change his approach to coaching. Maybe he wouldn't. shrug. No one has given him a shot any where else. Why is that.

You are all over the map and just rambling...

1. I never mentioned persecution. I have never mentioned anything about faith other than questioning why you find it offensive and surprising that a Baptist coach who coaches at a Baptists university promotes the Baptist religion to his players? Of course he does, that seems like common sense. If I walk into a Baptist church I assume I am going to hear a Baptist message.

2. I have no idea why you keep falling back on the idea that it would be illegal at a public university. Baylor is not a public university. It is a private Baptist university. Also, I believe teams having chaplains, even at public universities, is pretty common.

3. If your friend attended BYU and had no clue about the religious connection and requirements then that says far more about your friend than it does BYU or other Mormon athletes at a Mormon college promoting the Mormon faith to non-Mormon teammates. If I walk into a Mormon church then I assume I am getting a Mormon sermon.

4. Scott Drew is at Baylor by choice. The guy could pick up the phone for any coaching opening this offseason and get the job in less time then it takes him to walk to the Baptism pool on Baylor's campus.

Your bullet points are irrelevant to my main point.

Who cares what he did or does at Baylor ? I don’t.
It’s fine there.


Would he continue to coach in that manner at a public school?

Who knows . Maybe someone will take that chance. Or maybe not .

His nature is to be evangelical — can he coach as effectively at a non evangelical institution without following or flowing with his heart….?

What's the word I'm looking for here? Ah, presumptuous. How do you know his nature? Have you lived with him, worked with him, drank a beer with him? Or are you generalizing the habits of religious NCAA coaches?

You should have just stuck with you don't like him.

(01-19-2022 05:49 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

It wasn't all that long ago. I'd like to be able to go back to making fun of them for wearing fanny packs and Birkenstocks while hugging trees.

(01-19-2022 02:51 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:07 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:53 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You are really bothered by the fact that college athletes voluntarily attend a Christan college and then people at that Christan college encourage and promote their religion to those athletes? Seems like that is to be expected. If they do not want a religion promoted or encouraged then they should probably choose one of the public/secular institutions. It is not like kids going to Baylor to play basketball do not have their pick of almost any college in the country to play ball at.

lol. I'm not sure why you guys want to think you are being persecuted. It's not about me or you--or our personal beliefs.

It's about the legality and the lawsuits that a publicly funded school would open itself to if it hired a coach who openly preached, promoted and/or baptized his team players in any religion--whether it was his religion or not is irrelevant.

Coach K, for example was raised as a Catholic. I'm betting he is not asking or pushing his BB team to become Catholic...I'm guessing he's not preaching the particulars of Catholicism at them. If Coach K coached for Notre Dame, he could do that and it would not be a prob unless the head guy said to stop.

People who attend a religious school should know that there is that element/
My Catholic friend didn't...lol. He had an athletic Schollie to BYU.

He was so clueless that it took him totally by surprise when after his first year, the mormon 'guys' took him to a special room where he was very much outnumbered. They strongly encouraged him to become a Mormon. lol

There was nothing wrong with that, imo. BYU is a Mormon University after all. He said no, btw,. and was then ostracized by the Mormon players. lol

Back to Scott Drew. He uses a strong Baptist religious approach to coaching. Fine for Baylor.

Maybe he wouldn't do that at a public college. Maybe he would. Maybe he'd change his approach to coaching. Maybe he wouldn't. shrug. No one has given him a shot any where else. Why is that.

You are all over the map and just rambling...

1. I never mentioned persecution. I have never mentioned anything about faith other than questioning why you find it offensive and surprising that a Baptist coach who coaches at a Baptists university promotes the Baptist religion to his players? Of course he does, that seems like common sense. If I walk into a Baptist church I assume I am going to hear a Baptist message.

2. I have no idea why you keep falling back on the idea that it would be illegal at a public university. Baylor is not a public university. It is a private Baptist university. Also, I believe teams having chaplains, even at public universities, is pretty common.

3. If your friend attended BYU and had no clue about the religious connection and requirements then that says far more about your friend than it does BYU or other Mormon athletes at a Mormon college promoting the Mormon faith to non-Mormon teammates. If I walk into a Mormon church then I assume I am getting a Mormon sermon.

4. Scott Drew is at Baylor by choice. The guy could pick up the phone for any coaching opening this offseason and get the job in less time then it takes him to walk to the Baptism pool on Baylor's campus.

Your bullet points are irrelevant to my main point.

Who cares what he did or does at Baylor ? I don’t.
It’s fine there.


Would he continue to coach in that manner at a public school?

Who knows . Maybe someone will take that chance. Or maybe not .

His nature is to be evangelical — can he coach as effectively at a non evangelical institution without following or flowing with his heart….?

Why wouldn’t he be? Are you saying that even if he gets a job outside of coaching basketball, they should be concerned about whether or not he could perform duties without trying to baptize all his coworkers?

Is this your stance on indoctrination in general?

Good question, I'll allow it.

(01-19-2022 05:49 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

Liberals cancelling everyone who doesn't fall in line, censoring not reporting the news, all in favour of censuring free speech, and forcing you to put something into your body that you don't want to. Conservatives fighting for civil rights, freedom of speech and the right to not be forced to put something into your body.

Pure craziness.

(01-19-2022 06:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:49 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

Liberals cancelling everyone who doesn't fall in line, censoring not reporting the news, all in favour of censuring free speech, and forcing you to put something into your body that you don't want to. Conservatives fighting for civil rights, freedom of speech and the right to not be forced to put something into your body.

Pure craziness.

I may have to rethink my opinion of you if you keep that up.

(01-19-2022 06:30 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 06:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:49 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

Liberals cancelling everyone who doesn't fall in line, censoring not reporting the news, all in favour of censuring free speech, and forcing you to put something into your body that you don't want to. Conservatives fighting for civil rights, freedom of speech and the right to not be forced to put something into your body.

Pure craziness.

I may have to rethink my opinion of you if you keep that up.

I know right --I have asked him many times --how can he be so right on some things-and so STAMMERS on other things

(01-19-2022 06:59 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 06:30 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 06:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 05:49 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Yall remember when liberals where known for "f the government and rules" now it is all OMG YOU BETTER DO WHAT THE SUPREME LEADER TELLS YOU TO DO AND LOVE IT!

Liberals cancelling everyone who doesn't fall in line, censoring not reporting the news, all in favour of censuring free speech, and forcing you to put something into your body that you don't want to. Conservatives fighting for civil rights, freedom of speech and the right to not be forced to put something into your body.

Pure craziness.

I may have to rethink my opinion of you if you keep that up.

I know right --I have asked him many times --how can he be so right on some things-and so STAMMERS on other things

(01-19-2022 01:07 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:53 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 10:21 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 08:34 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  lol. What about this do you not understand?

We are a secular university. All religions are accepted equally. None are made mandatory.

If you make it a requirement, or put pressure on your team to get baptized in your personal religion,,,no matter what religion,,,that's a no-no.

Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians are Christians too... none of those would allow it either.

You are really bothered by the fact that college athletes voluntarily attend a Christan college and then people at that Christan college encourage and promote their religion to those athletes? Seems like that is to be expected. If they do not want a religion promoted or encouraged then they should probably choose one of the public/secular institutions. It is not like kids going to Baylor to play basketball do not have their pick of almost any college in the country to play ball at.

lol. I'm not sure why you guys want to think you are being persecuted. It's not about me or you--or our personal beliefs.

It's about the legality and the lawsuits that a publicly funded school would open itself to if it hired a coach who openly preached, promoted and/or baptized his team players in any religion--whether it was his religion or not is irrelevant.

Coach K, for example was raised as a Catholic. I'm betting he is not asking or pushing his BB team to become Catholic...I'm guessing he's not preaching the particulars of Catholicism at them. If Coach K coached for Notre Dame, he could do that and it would not be a prob unless the head guy said to stop.

People who attend a religious school should know that there is that element/
My Catholic friend didn't...lol. He had an athletic Schollie to BYU.

He was so clueless that it took him totally by surprise when after his first year, the mormon 'guys' took him to a special room where he was very much outnumbered. They strongly encouraged him to become a Mormon. lol

There was nothing wrong with that, imo. BYU is a Mormon University after all. He said no, btw,. and was then ostracized by the Mormon players. lol

Back to Scott Drew. He uses a strong Baptist religious approach to coaching. Fine for Baylor.

Maybe he wouldn't do that at a public college. Maybe he would. Maybe he'd change his approach to coaching. Maybe he wouldn't. shrug. No one has given him a shot any where else. Why is that.

You are all over the map and just rambling...

1. I never mentioned persecution. I have never mentioned anything about faith other than questioning why you find it offensive and surprising that a Baptist coach who coaches at a Baptists university promotes the Baptist religion to his players? Of course he does, that seems like common sense. If I walk into a Baptist church I assume I am going to hear a Baptist message.

2. I have no idea why you keep falling back on the idea that it would be illegal at a public university. Baylor is not a public university. It is a private Baptist university. Also, I believe teams having chaplains, even at public universities, is pretty common.

3. If your friend attended BYU and had no clue about the religious connection and requirements then that says far more about your friend than it does BYU or other Mormon athletes at a Mormon college promoting the Mormon faith to non-Mormon teammates. If I walk into a Mormon church then I assume I am getting a Mormon sermon.

4. Scott Drew is at Baylor by choice. The guy could pick up the phone for any coaching opening this offseason and get the job in less time then it takes him to walk to the Baptism pool on Baylor's campus.

Your bullet points are irrelevant to my main point.

Who cares what he did or does at Baylor ? I don’t.
It’s fine there.


Would he continue to coach in that manner at a public school?

Who knows . Maybe someone will take that chance. Or maybe not .

His nature is to be evangelical — can he coach as effectively at a non evangelical institution without following or flowing with his heart….?

Hahahaha. Your “points” are so all over the map you cannot even keep up with the conversation you started. The original post from you that I responded to was you talking about not liking Drew for promoting his Baptist faith at the Baptist school he coached at. You literally said nothing about secular/public universities. You introduced that later to try and morph the conversation into something else after I pointed out the players were choosing to attend a Christian university so they should expect to have Christianity promoted to them on campus.