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Penny's laissez-faire coaching style leads to High Turnovers etc...
I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...
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(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business ever dribbling the ball.

Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.
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(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.
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(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
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(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
Thanks Coach K

Time and place. The end of a close game is not the time. That is also why he has assistant coaches on the bench, rumor has it that he has a pretty good assistant coach.
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(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

Funny thing is I believe I remember Malcom turning it over at the end trying to dribble up the court.... again. Coach too easy going with these players
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(01-13-2022 11:13 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

Funny thing is I believe I remember Malcom turning it over at the end trying to dribble up the court.... again. Coach too easy going with these players

Need to invoke the John Grice rule with Dandridge
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(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business ever dribbling the ball.

Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

I don't think Bates really regressed. In the Cincy game there were other players making plays. Not so much in this game so he forced things to try and help the team since no one else was. 12 points, 7 rebounds to go along with those turnovers but 0 assists. which is telling. It's going to be a process with him. It's all about how much he forces it.

Malcolm is what he is. He's got the yin and yang thing going. He throws a great pass and follows it up by a terrible pass. He blocks a layup without fouling and then commits a touch foul 30 feet from the basket. He dunks it and then airballs it. Some games it's all bad stuff. Some games it's mostly good stuff. A lot of the time it's both in the same game.
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(01-13-2022 10:54 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
Thanks Coach K

Time and place. The end of a close game is not the time. That is also why he has assistant coaches on the bench, rumor has it that he has a pretty good assistant coach.
That's a fine time and place.

My point is that there are things that Penny needs to improve on. There is no need to nitpick every little thing he does.
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(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

Agree. And I don't even like to see Nolley attempting to make plays off the dribble - way too many TOs result. In fact our whole approach to offense against UCF was way too much individual dribble to get a shot.
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Been saying that he promised these guys freedom to be creative and try things you might see in the NBA (like Emoni being a primary facilitator or bigs bringing the ball up) to get them here. And he didnt just limit his promises to the top recruits. Cant back out now that it is a disaster.
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(01-13-2022 11:49 AM)dwash Wrote:  Been saying that he promised these guys freedom to be creative and try things you might see in the NBA (like Emoni being a primary facilitator or bigs bringing the ball up) to get them here. And he didnt just limit his promises to the top recruits. Cant back out now that it is a disaster.

Not sure if he said that or not. If he did he shoulda have said, you have the “opportunity” to bring the ball up. Many have proven they can’t. And they are going to more than likely transfer anyway so might as well take the freedom away at this point. I think you will see from here on out Penny going the transfer portal group to get players. It’s a different era now
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Dandridge should never dribble
And should never have a play run for him
Without Williams he played more

Get rebounds, make wide open dunks, and maybe be a body down low on defense

Williams is no savior but he is better. We e better when Alo is available, when Timberlake is available etc
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I still say this team values the highlight more than the points...

And that comes from the top...
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(01-13-2022 12:19 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Dandridge should never dribble
And should never have a play run for him
Without Williams he played more

Get rebounds, make wide open dunks, and maybe be a body down low on defense

Williams is no savior but he is better. We e better when Alo is available, when Timberlake is available etc

Dandridge leads the team in offensive possession percentage. Basically how many plays run through him. He has the 2nd lowest offensive rating behind ALo. DeAndre is 2nd but has a much better offensive rating.
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(01-13-2022 12:19 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Dandridge should never dribble
And should never have a play run for him
Without Williams he played more

Get rebounds, make wide open dunks, and maybe be a body down low on defense

Williams is no savior but he is better. We e better when Alo is available, when Timberlake is available etc

Penny starting the game with Dandridge and Duren together is just STUPID.

There is absolutely no reason for that.

But Penny wont change until he loses. He won with that lineup at WSU so he was sticking with it.

Hopefully now that we lost maybe we can go with something more realistic.
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(01-13-2022 12:29 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:19 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Dandridge should never dribble
And should never have a play run for him
Without Williams he played more

Get rebounds, make wide open dunks, and maybe be a body down low on defense

Williams is no savior but he is better. We e better when Alo is available, when Timberlake is available etc

Penny starting the game with Dandridge and Duren together is just STUPID.

There is absolutely no reason for that.

But Penny wont change until he loses. He won with that lineup at WSU so he was sticking with it.

Hopefully now that we lost maybe we can go with something more realistic.

He did that for the Wichita State game and we won big so he keeps doing it. Dandridge is usually in foul trouble by the under 16 timeout. I would keep the lineup and sub Nolley for Dandridge.
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(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I thought it was Lomax's fault?
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(01-13-2022 12:25 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 12:19 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Dandridge should never dribble
And should never have a play run for him
Without Williams he played more

Get rebounds, make wide open dunks, and maybe be a body down low on defense

Williams is no savior but he is better. We e better when Alo is available, when Timberlake is available etc

Dandridge leads the team in offensive possession percentage. Basically how many plays run through him. He has the 2nd lowest offensive rating behind ALo. DeAndre is 2nd but has a much better offensive rating.

Penny doesn't need analytics. Roll the ball out there, who needs discipline or focus when we can chunk up circus shots. We want the smoke!
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(01-13-2022 11:25 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business ever dribbling the ball.

Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

I don't think Bates really regressed. In the Cincy game there were other players making plays. Not so much in this game so he forced things to try and help the team since no one else was. 12 points, 7 rebounds to go along with those turnovers but 0 assists. which is telling. It's going to be a process with him. It's all about how much he forces it.

Malcolm is what he is. He's got the yin and yang thing going. He throws a great pass and follows it up by a terrible pass. He blocks a layup without fouling and then commits a touch foul 30 feet from the basket. He dunks it and then airballs it. Some games it's all bad stuff. Some games it's mostly good stuff. A lot of the time it's both in the same game.

Regressed was probably a strong word. But he definitely took step back by falling back into bad habits. But this should really be expected from such a young freshman. The goal is to not have this step backs come the conference tournament.
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