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RE: Penny's laissez-faire coaching style leads to High Turnovers etc...
(01-13-2022 01:04 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
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(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business ever dribbling the ball.

Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

I don't think Bates really regressed. In the Cincy game there were other players making plays. Not so much in this game so he forced things to try and help the team since no one else was. 12 points, 7 rebounds to go along with those turnovers but 0 assists. which is telling. It's going to be a process with him. It's all about how much he forces it.

Malcolm is what he is. He's got the yin and yang thing going. He throws a great pass and follows it up by a terrible pass. He blocks a layup without fouling and then commits a touch foul 30 feet from the basket. He dunks it and then airballs it. Some games it's all bad stuff. Some games it's mostly good stuff. A lot of the time it's both in the same game.

Regressed was probably a strong word. But he definitely took step back by falling back into bad habits. But this should really be expected from such a young freshman. The goal is to not have this step backs come the conference tournament.

He gets a bit of a pass, being just 17 years old. Dandridge otoh, who told him he is a point forward? The guy has some ability but know your roll. Same could be said for most of our team.

Very few of our players play within themselves. We are out of control most of the time hence why we are #353 out of 358 on turnovers. Its also why other teams shoot lights out from three against us, we are out of position. Just horrible team discipline and low basketball IQ.
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When things got hard last night, the team fell apart. They each took it upon themselves to make something happen. The result was no passing, and a lot of bad shots. This is when Penny HAS to take the decision making abilities out of his players' hands and CALL SOME FREAKING PLAYS. If they cannot handle freedom, then discipline has to be installed. Once they are back in a groove, then he can give them their freedom back. It really is that simple. Don't let your players decide they have to be the man. Call plays and Penny chooses who gets the shots and where they take the shots from until they start making them.
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Outside of the 4 turns Bates did ok imo. He had 7 boards
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(01-13-2022 02:40 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Outside of the 4 turns Bates did ok imo. He had 7 boards

He was a black hole. 0 assists and stagnated the offense with over dribbling and not looking to involve others. That was not exclusive to him though as pretty much the entire team did that.
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(01-13-2022 01:19 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  When things got hard last night, the team fell apart. They each took it upon themselves to make something happen. The result was no passing, and a lot of bad shots. This is when Penny HAS to take the decision making abilities out of his players' hands and CALL SOME FREAKING PLAYS. If they cannot handle freedom, then discipline has to be installed. Once they are back in a groove, then he can give them their freedom back. It really is that simple. Don't let your players decide they have to be the man. Call plays and Penny chooses who gets the shots and where they take the shots from until they start making them.

Calipari used to tell them if you play defense I won’t call a play. But if you don’t I’m calling one. Of course Penny always appears to be calling plays so maybe that’s not the issue
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(01-13-2022 12:56 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I thought it was Lomax's fault?

It IS Lomax's fault! Since this play Dandridge has been dribbling ever since!
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At 12:53 video mark is when Lomax gave Dandridge the green light to drive and turn it over. Malco Theater ain't looked back ever since 03-lmfao



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(01-13-2022 04:08 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  At 12:53 video mark is when Lomax gave Dandridge the green light to drive and turn it over. Malco Theater ain't looked back ever since 03-lmfao




Lomax in addition to being the problem for everything, has also apparently hypnotized Dandridge.

CONFUSED_NEWS at his best.
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This season is the same as last...

Last year when Williams got acclimated and playing we improved greatly...

This year he started the season essentially pouting, playing poorly and we struggled against good comp.

Started playing like himself later and everything was good until he missed 2 games.
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(01-13-2022 04:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:08 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  At 12:53 video mark is when Lomax gave Dandridge the green light to drive and turn it over. Malco Theater ain't looked back ever since 03-lmfao




Lomax in addition to being the problem for everything, has also apparently hypnotized Dandridge.

CONFUSED_NEWS at his best.

I thinks it's more Dandridge goin' to do what Dandridge goin' to do thing. If Dandridge wants to dribble the ball up the court he will do it because he doesn't care what Penny thinks. Penny is probably not going to do anything unless he dribbles the ball off his foot a couple of times.
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(01-13-2022 04:45 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:08 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  At 12:53 video mark is when Lomax gave Dandridge the green light to drive and turn it over. Malco Theater ain't looked back ever since 03-lmfao




Lomax in addition to being the problem for everything, has also apparently hypnotized Dandridge.

CONFUSED_NEWS at his best.

I thinks it's more Dandridge goin' to do what Dandridge goin' to do thing. If Dandridge wants to dribble the ball up the court he will do it because he doesn't care what Penny thinks. Penny is probably not going to do anything unless he dribbles the ball off his foot a couple of times.

Penny obviously approves of Dandridge's recent play...Reflected by the fact he is in the starting lineup. Why would I change what I am doing when doing it got me in the starting lineup.
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(01-13-2022 04:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 04:08 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  At 12:53 video mark is when Lomax gave Dandridge the green light to drive and turn it over. Malco Theater ain't looked back ever since 03-lmfao




Lomax in addition to being the problem for everything, has also apparently hypnotized Dandridge.

CONFUSED_NEWS at his best.

Steamer Stammers stomped again. Didn't see Lomax wave Dandridge off on the handoff. Left Malco out high n dry. Alo too busy running to the corner to hide n watch vs getting the ball back and running the offense
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Literally right before that play the commentator at the 12:30 mark said somebody got to get the ball for Memphis and say I'm going to run the play and tell everybody where they need to be then get them the ball given Memphis had gone scorelessfor 6+ minutes. That somebody is supposed to be the pg yet he deferred to turnover Malcom to set the offense up.

What pg worth his salt defers to a player like Malcom to play point forward when he turned the ball over several times already before that play??
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(01-13-2022 05:23 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Literally right before that play the commentator at the 12:30 mark said somebody got to get the ball for Memphis and say I'm going to run the play and tell everybody where they need to be then get them the ball given Memphis had gone scorelessfor 6+ minutes. That somebody is supposed to be the pg yet he deferred to turnover Malcom to set the offense up.

What pg worth his salt defers to a player like Malcom to play point forward when he turned the ball over several times already before that play??

Dandridge With Lomax
10 games
4.2 points
2.5 rebounds
70.0% field goal

Dandridge Without Lomax
4 games
8.0 points
2.4 rebounds
51.5% field goal

CONFUSED_NEWS conclusion...Lomax ruined Dandridge.

Meanwhile, in the 4 games that Lomax has missed, this is what LQ has done while being asked to pick up the slack at point guard...

4 games
10.3 points
42.4% field goal
0.0% 3 point field goal (0-19, NOT a typo)
63.6% free throw
1.5 assists
3.5 turnovers
.42 assist/turnover (6 assists/14 turnovers)

CONFUSED_NEWS doesn't care about this. He only has time to blame Lomax for the team's play when he does play AND the team's play when he doesn't play. We just put up a stinker against UCF and CONFUSED_NEWS is posting videos with from a month and a half ago, blaming Lomax.
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(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
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I am right, with the game winding down and we still had a slim chance he should have been coaching the team on the floor, not his walk-on's.
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(01-13-2022 10:54 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 09:16 AM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  I remember during the losing streak coach finally acknowledged he needed to not allow so much player freedom and be more authoritarian.

Well, Malcolm still tries to push and dribble the ball up court for 6 turnovers. He's not a freshman. Malcolm and Bates accounted for 11 of the 19 turnovers.

That's on coach for allowing so much freedom and playmaking by non-ballhandlers. When Duren gets a defensive board he gets the ball to a ball handler. Basic fundamentals taught by his previous coaches.

Until coach truly decides to regain control of player's actions, this team will never fulfill its true potential. Oh well...

I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
Thanks Coach K

Time and place. The end of a close game is not the time. That is also why he has assistant coaches on the bench, rumor has it that he has a pretty good assistant coach.

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(01-13-2022 11:42 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:54 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:37 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  I have said it several times. I have no idea why Malcolm thinks he is Nikola Jokic on the court and tries to play make like the Joker. Malcolm has no business every dribbling the ball.
Bates regressed last night. He went from looking fantastic playing team ball against Cincy to looking horrible playing 1 on 1.

I said in the game thread that Penny just looked like depressed clown on the sideline. We are missing free throws, making egregious turnovers a middle school team would not make and all the while Penny is standing on the sideline with his arms crossed and completely expressionless.

There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
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Time and place. The end of a close game is not the time. That is also why he has assistant coaches on the bench, rumor has it that he has a pretty good assistant coach.
That's a fine time and place.

My point is that there are things that Penny needs to improve on. There is no need to nitpick every little thing he does.

Oh, so you think he shouldn't have been paying attention to the game for that whole minute while his players were throwing the game away. Maybe you don't basketball much, I don't really know what your problem is. Pointing out that he was not paying attention to what was going on out on the floor at a crucial time is hardly nitpicking.
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(01-13-2022 07:14 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 11:42 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:54 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:47 AM)ballhog Wrote:  
(01-13-2022 10:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  There was a minute there as the game was winding down he wasn't even paying attention to what was going on, he was lecturing the deepest end of the bench on something for a full minute, never once looked at the court. It truly is one step forward and two steps back.

You're right. You should never use game examples to teach the players on the bench.
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Time and place. The end of a close game is not the time. That is also why he has assistant coaches on the bench, rumor has it that he has a pretty good assistant coach.
That's a fine time and place.

My point is that there are things that Penny needs to improve on. There is no need to nitpick every little thing he does.

Oh, so you think he shouldn't have been paying attention to the game for that whole minute while his players were throwing the game away. Maybe you don't basketball much, I don't really know what your problem is. Pointing out that he was not paying attention to what was going on out on the floor at a crucial time is hardly nitpicking.

Agree, Penny has 2+ assistants on the bench to discuss, interpret what's happening on the floor to bench players. Penny's focus should be on the game.
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who cares if he can coach when he brings in top rated recruits

it will all balance out in the end
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(01-13-2022 08:12 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  who cares if he can coach when he brings in top rated recruits

it will all balance out in the end
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