(01-14-2022 10:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I'd still be surprised at Stony Brook. Not shocked, but surprised.

Wonder if there is some sort of deal in the works that America East essentially waives any SBU exit fees in exchange for the CAA admitting CCSU football, which would free up CCSU to join America East.

Theres a lot of ways they could go

Does Stony Brook even want to join the CAA at this point since they are in for football?

I could see why Monmouth would abandon the MAAC for the CAA since football is in play, but Stony Brook doesn't have that concern

(01-14-2022 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 10:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I'd still be surprised at Stony Brook. Not shocked, but surprised.

Wonder if there is some sort of deal in the works that America East essentially waives any SBU exit fees in exchange for the CAA admitting CCSU football, which would free up CCSU to join America East.

Theres a lot of ways they could go

Does Stony Brook even want to join the CAA at this point since they are in for football?

I could see why Monmouth would abandon the MAAC for the CAA since football is in play, but Stony Brook doesn't have that concern

Also doubt Hofstra has changed its tune on Stony Brook. Unless Hofstra is on its way out, which I also doubt. Hofstra will look out for Hofstra, not the CAA interests.

(01-14-2022 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 10:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I'd still be surprised at Stony Brook. Not shocked, but surprised.

Wonder if there is some sort of deal in the works that America East essentially waives any SBU exit fees in exchange for the CAA admitting CCSU football, which would free up CCSU to join America East.

Theres a lot of ways they could go

Does Stony Brook even want to join the CAA at this point since they are in for football?

I could see why Monmouth would abandon the MAAC for the CAA since football is in play, but Stony Brook doesn't have that concern

That's kind of where I land on it. This isn't the CAA that is competing for at large bids. It is definitely a better basketball league than America East, but not to the point that you really gain a whole lot on the national scale. Vermont has proven that you can come out of AE and be fine, seeding wise, in the NCAAs. I don't know what recruits SBU feels that it misses being in AE rather than the CAA. Maybe they are just sick of losing to Vermont. Seems like they'd have a harder path through the CAA for not much of a gain.

(01-14-2022 11:32 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 10:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I'd still be surprised at Stony Brook. Not shocked, but surprised.

Wonder if there is some sort of deal in the works that America East essentially waives any SBU exit fees in exchange for the CAA admitting CCSU football, which would free up CCSU to join America East.

Theres a lot of ways they could go

Does Stony Brook even want to join the CAA at this point since they are in for football?

I could see why Monmouth would abandon the MAAC for the CAA since football is in play, but Stony Brook doesn't have that concern

That's kind of where I land on it. This isn't the CAA that is competing for at large bids. It is definitely a better basketball league than America East, but not to the point that you really gain a whole lot on the national scale. Vermont has proven that you can come out of AE and be fine, seeding wise, in the NCAAs. I don't know what recruits SBU feels that it misses being in AE rather than the CAA. Maybe they are just sick of losing to Vermont. Seems like they'd have a harder path through the CAA for not much of a gain.

I don't think Hofstra wouldn't want Stony Brook in there anyways. The southern schools aren't going to care which northern NY area school gets added as long as they the their preferred Southern expansion candidates and a southern divison.

My gut is Monmouth and Fairfield in the north to complete that 7 team divison. I'd prefer UMBC instead of Fairfield but whatever.

The south is where it gets interesting. If they can go up to 14 for football, which is what MB indicates, then I would think Hampton would be in play for W&M as well as Campbell for UNCW. The surprise school for me would be UNCG.

Hampton has wanted in the CAA forever and I don't think W&M wants to be the northern outpost in a southern divison.

So my best guess based on MB's tidbits
CAA North
Northeastern, Monmouth, Farfield, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson

CAA South
Hampton, W&M, Elon, UNCG, Campbell, UNCW, Charleston

CAA Football
Maine, UNH, URI, Albany, Stony Brook, Monmouth, Villanova
Delaware, Towson, W&M, Hampton, Richmond, Campbell, Elon

(01-14-2022 11:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 10:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  I'd still be surprised at Stony Brook. Not shocked, but surprised.

Wonder if there is some sort of deal in the works that America East essentially waives any SBU exit fees in exchange for the CAA admitting CCSU football, which would free up CCSU to join America East.

Theres a lot of ways they could go

Does Stony Brook even want to join the CAA at this point since they are in for football?

I could see why Monmouth would abandon the MAAC for the CAA since football is in play, but Stony Brook doesn't have that concern

This 100%. I really don’t see any benefits in joining CAA all sports. We already have the FB membership. But then again, like ccd494 mentioned…may be we are tired of losing to Vermont ?

We need to figure out our priority. If we are a football school, then joining MAC should be priority. If we are a bball school, then stay at AE, start winning and eventually put ourselves in a position to be an attractive candidate for A10.

FWIW, I interpretted the Seawolves United campaign of a few years back as a commitment to the resolve that Stony Brook was going to pull a Coastal Carolina somehow and aim higher for themselves rather than getting stuck in the internal politics within CAA, where they were already trying to get to. It never read to me that the school was trying to get out of just America East. This was just getting out from under ALL of it. Much like Coastal did by going FBS and bypassing the goofy blockages meeting them at CAA/F and SoCon.

With respect to Marist…I know their name has floated around the Patriot boards/threads for some time, but not in a favorable way for them. CAA even looks clunky, but, if the goal is to keep up with or ahead of the Fairfield’s, Iona’s, Sienna’s, and Quinnipiac’s around them, there you go. But I don’t think Marist is good for football operations expansion (scholarship-level).

I’m not confident that there will be a unified front on CAA expansion. The last few invites shifted “needs” spotlights onto others to keep away from the public/private, football/non-football, pro-Stony/anti-Stony, and other geographical differences and divides within the conference.

I mean, honestly, why in the flying you-know-what would Delaware and/or Towson want Monmouth around? The two can go into NJ anytime they want to get that talent. And if you play nearish-by enough with partial members like Villanova and Stony Brook, what’s the need, or where is it a benefit to them?

(01-14-2022 12:38 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I mean, honestly, why in the flying you-know-what would Delaware and/or Towson want Monmouth around? The two can go go into NJ anytime they want to get that talent. And if you play nearish-by enough with partial members like Villanova and Stony Brook, what’s the need, or where is it a benefit to them?

Delaware specifically pulls a bunch of students from/has a bunch of alumni in Connecticut, New Jersey, and the general NYC area. I wouldn't be surprised if they're one of the voice pushing Monmouth/Fairfield.

(01-14-2022 12:43 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 12:38 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I mean, honestly, why in the flying you-know-what would Delaware and/or Towson want Monmouth around? The two can go go into NJ anytime they want to get that talent. And if you play nearish-by enough with partial members like Villanova and Stony Brook, what’s the need, or where is it a benefit to them?

Delaware specifically pulls a bunch of students from/has a bunch of alumni in Connecticut, New Jersey, and the general NYC area. I wouldn't be surprised if they're one of the voice pushing Monmouth/Fairfield.

Fairfield may be a “yay,” because they don’t do football and they aren’t a neighbor state. There’s also the academic prestige factor that favors Fairfield over Monmouth.

I don’t think Wagner would be much more of a bump, either, if not even a more firm “no.”

(01-14-2022 01:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Fairfield may be a “yay,” because they don’t do football and they aren’t a neighbor state. There’s also the academic prestige factor that favors Fairfield over Monmouth.

I don’t think Wagner would be much more of a bump, either, if not even a more firm “no.”

Dunno if it even matters, but Fairfield is already a CAA affiliate in lacrosse. That's why I think they are in.

This is a big domino. We will have to then see who goes to the SoCon, Big South, MAAC, maybe AEC. I don't know how the MEAC survives this. NCCU, Howard, Delaware St. are going to get taken, probably more when the MAAC takes from the NEC. MEAC would have to hope New Haven and Bentley want to move up to fill those spots. That won't stop the Big South from plucking NCCU though.

SoCon replaces UNCG w/ a fb school, Kennesaw St? if not, UNCA?

UNC-Pembroke is larger and have football as well. That is the only large school in the area that makes sense to fill in gaps in conferences there. UNC-Pembroke is primarily considered a Native American school. They seem to be the largest of the group of schools that reached the highest levels since between 1900 and 1937 that had Carlilse and Haskill.

(01-14-2022 04:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  This is a big domino. We will have to then see who goes to the SoCon, Big South, MAAC, maybe AEC. I don't know how the MEAC survives this. NCCU, Howard, Delaware St. are going to get taken, probably more when the MAAC takes from the NEC. MEAC would have to hope New Haven and Bentley want to move up to fill those spots. That won't stop the Big South from plucking NCCU though.

SoCon replaces UNCG w/ a fb school, Kennesaw St? if not, UNCA?

If the CAA doesn't take Campbell the SoCon would be wise to so so if UNCG leaves

Why is Iona not being looked at? They were good at bball even before Patino. Why not them over Marist or Fairfield? Someone blocking? Hofstra?

(01-14-2022 08:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  This is a big domino. We will have to then see who goes to the SoCon, Big South, MAAC, maybe AEC. I don't know how the MEAC survives this. NCCU, Howard, Delaware St. are going to get taken, probably more when the MAAC takes from the NEC. MEAC would have to hope New Haven and Bentley want to move up to fill those spots. That won't stop the Big South from plucking NCCU though.

SoCon replaces UNCG w/ a fb school, Kennesaw St? if not, UNCA?

If the CAA doesn't take Campbell the SoCon would be wise to so so if UNCG leaves

Why would the SOCON want a tenth FB school? Nine gives them 4H-4A full round robin conference games each year?

And wouldn't Kennesaw State be a better overall add? If they could get them.

(01-14-2022 09:14 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 08:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 04:57 PM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  This is a big domino. We will have to then see who goes to the SoCon, Big South, MAAC, maybe AEC. I don't know how the MEAC survives this. NCCU, Howard, Delaware St. are going to get taken, probably more when the MAAC takes from the NEC. MEAC would have to hope New Haven and Bentley want to move up to fill those spots. That won't stop the Big South from plucking NCCU though.

SoCon replaces UNCG w/ a fb school, Kennesaw St? if not, UNCA?

If the CAA doesn't take Campbell the SoCon would be wise to so so if UNCG leaves

Why would the SOCON want a tenth FB school? Nine gives them 4H-4A full round robin conference games each year?

And wouldn't Kennesaw State be a better overall add? If they could get them.

SoCon loves these private schools and Campbell is a booming private school that would provide a bridge geographically to the military academies on the coast.

Doesnt look like they are losing UNCG though